giving berry some props.

[xstatic]

I really am sorry if you can't hear the difference between them Ed. For the record, there is nothing all that impressive about the recordings either. I have both DBX 1074 gates and the Behringer gates in my "C" rig. The DBX gates certainly are not as nice as the BSS or Drawmer gates, but there is still an audible difference between the DBX and the Behringers. The DBX gates open smoother, and close more naturally. They also seem to pass a smoother signal through. The Behringer adds a bit of a rough edge, but for many applications through cert5ain PA's that difference is fairly negligable. As a result though, I have 8 channels of DBX for the headlining act and 4 channels of Behringer for the opener. I must sya though, for an inexpensive gate, the Behringer certainly offers a good feature set. I don't regret buying them. We3 bought a dozen of the Behringer gates because they filled a good niche. The difference is that we don't pretend they are anything special and grow a big head over them.

 

[punkin]

My old Euro-mixer was the most feature filled headphone amp I ever owned but the HA4700 just a little easier to use.

 

[dmbfan1981]

You seem unable to separate price from performance. In other words, price is your main (and perhaps only) concern. I think it is clouding your judgment.

Try this: pay no attention to price. Listen to the gear. How does it sound and function? End of analysis about sound.

Afterwards, turn the price tag over and see if you want to buy it.

thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard. OBVIOUSLY there are much better sounding units. So are you telling me that if you buy a $500 base model PRS then you are a dumbass because you didnt just keep the money and save up to buy a vintage 58 Les Paul? your are fighting to make a point that is blatantly obvious, and noone is arguing with you about. I never said that the v-amp is the best sounding piece of equipment. It seems that YOU cant seperate the difference between " good enough to get me by" and "blow every last dollar so that I have no money for other equipment, supplies, promotion of my material. noone asked you to come to this thread and push your tastes on anyone else. I simply was stating that I was happy with a purchase. If you are only happy with everything thats NOT behringer, then go start your own thread bragging about all of the top gear you have. have fun.

 

[punkin]

The Behri-bash gets carried away from time to time and I'm an active participant. We all start somewhere and make due with what we have. Truth is, and I'm willing to bet that most of the people bashing the stuff, once owned or still does own Behr products today. Come on now...admit it!

It's my opinion that they don't make the worst stuff on the planet. In many cases, you can do MUCH worse. However, their ethics are of concern and I think that's where a lot of the bashing stems from. Yup, not the best stuff but in many cases, it works, gets by and satisfies the need. If it didn't, they wouldn't be selling product.

I started out with ultra-budget gear. As the budget grew, so did the selection. Most of it, I still have and to be honest the thing that's made the biggest impact on how the work has turned out hasn't been the quality or price tag of the gear on hand but rather how to use it.

I feel your gear snobbery frustration. The only advice I could offer would be to try to keep it into perspective, do your thing and strive.

 

[Ford Van]

I really am sorry if you can't hear the difference between them Ed. For the record, there is nothing all that impressive about the recordings either.

Hate to break it to you, but you are certainly in that category of people's work I have heard that really have NO business talking shit.

For all that nice gear, you have not caught up to it in your own personal skills. Talk about not hearing anything all that impressive!

 

[MOFO Pro]

I just thought I'd say something here... but decided against it...


Oh what the hell, it's late...

I've owned berry gear... bought it based on features alone... worked for me for a while... was replaced by better... wasn't that big a deal... didn't cost a lot to start with... resale was suprisingly good... often times more than I paid new... still have a few items...midi floor board... monitor matrix mixer... I get what i need out of them... yeah, questionable business ethics... but it's tough out there...

And the number one reason that I love Behringer is...
They keep real quality gear affordable...

 

[xstatic]

Hate to break it to you, but you are certainly in that category of people's work I have heard that really have NO business talking shit.

For all that nice gear, you have not caught up to it in your own personal skills. Talk about not hearing anything all that impressive!

Truthfully, I certainly did not start "talking shit".

I would be really curious to know exactly what it was that you have heard that I have done?

 

[Ford Van]

Have you been to your myspace lately?

 

[jrhager84]

They should change this site name to www.homepissingmatch.com

What gives you guys the right to bash on his gear with such venomousity? Jesus tap-dancing christ! I never in all my life have seen such immaturity and idiocy come from such a small thread...he likes his damned behringer, is that SO hard to deal with?

Again Chressrock, your shimmering pearls of wisdom inspire all who gaze into it, extreme enlightenment...

Zed, what's the deal? Is it your goal to be as offensive as humanly possible on this thread?

Point being:

Behringer is definately NOT a quality piece of equipment.....but at the same time, no one started out recording on neve or the distressor or 1176's, etc. Hell, I started off playing drums on a 299 dollar Sound Percussion kit.... You have to start somewhere, and if berry does it for him now, and inspires him to move on to bigger and better, I say go for it. Think of it this way: You spend 50,000 dollars on all the best gear, and come to find out it's not your bag....you're out 50,000. You can get the same "idea" from cheaper stuff, and if it excites you, you move on and get better equipment...

Way to keep things civil guys......*rolls eyes*

 

[zed32]

They should change this site name to www.homepissingmatch.com


Zed, what's the deal? Is it your goal to be as offensive as humanly possible on this thread?


Way to keep things civil guys......*rolls eyes*

haha if you get that offended by poop jokes, well then i just feel sorry for you! lighten up man

theres a time and place to be civil....i just don't know when and where it is.

i personally don't care too much for Behringer products, but i'm not tryin to put anyone down. i've never tried the V-amp before, but the stuff that i have tried was kinda sucky, and i wouldn't buy it again. but i'll probably have some Behringer stuff at my place soon enough....that headphone amp they make looks pretty nifty.


oh but i HAVE tried a V-Amp combo modelling amp thing, i think it was either 2x10 or 1x12, but it was O-K at best. definitely a useable piece of gear, but we ended up selling it after a week because it was sort of an impulse buy and we didn't end up needing it that bad.

 

[xstatic]

So you mean the band on the website that did the title track for a film that won best soundtrack at Filmstock?

My bet is that you have not listened to any of my work and are just spouting stuff off like normal Ed. I am glad however that you are so kind as to openly and publicly show everyone here how full of shit you are though. Luckily my self esteem and my client base cares nothing about what you think. So does all this animosity towards me stem back to when I asked about Phoenix light and sound and then made the comment that I thought it was a bigger company?

 

[Seeker of Rock]

As both a current and former Behringer gear owner, I'll offer up what I do and don't like about the company's products I've used. For positive, I have a cable tester that seems to tell me accurately when a cable is bad and when one is not. I also still own, though don't use, the pyschoacoustic processor they made, Ultrafex Pro maybe? Anyway, I used it on the mix out to a CD burner when I was tracking on a TASCAM 488. I made things sound much fuller, and was a smoke-and-mirror solution to crappy recording environment and limited sound quality of the 488, though I still think they are great machines. I briefly owned the dual 31 band EQ and returned it after a few uses. The controls felt cheap to the touch, and when I would go for one or two sliders for adjustment, the action was not smooth and I would end up over or undercompensating, thus the return.
So that's my Behringer experience, good bad or ugly, but honest nonetheless.

 

[dmbfan1981]

So that's my Behringer experience, good bad or ugly, but honest nonetheless.

And that is much more respected than simply saying "berry sucks"

thanks for your input.

 

[Ford Van]

So you mean the band on the website that did the title track for a film that won best soundtrack at Filmstock?

You are going to brag about a soundtrack that won a prize at some film festival I have never heard of? I think I need to start doing film soundtrack mixing now! I will rake it in at the no name festivals!!!

I could care less about the comment you made about the Phoenix Light and Sound. As a sound company, we had SO many big time artists that we did sound for that I don't care much about the prestige of being "bigger". My affiliation with that company supported me for quite a while too!

Remember, you took first stab at the "quality" of my work. Just returning the favor.

 

[junplugged]

berry unbalanced patchbay is still working after 3 years

ecm8000 was an interesting test, either i don't know how to use it or it's too much hiss, but a good reference

i have a tube ultra-q that still works and puts some harmonics in and works as a parametric but once again, it was more of a learning thing than a tool in use.

i stay away from the stuff i might really need or depend on, oh yea, 8 channel stereo line mixer is good for monitor inputs, one rack space

and the b5 i don't like, more berry than i thought...

 

[xstatic]

ONce again FV, all about the personal jabs. I made one comment that I did not care much for the song you had posted and you have to take it to the next level. that is the way it always seems to be with you. The truth is, i know a lot of guys that act a lot like you in this industry. They all seem to have two things in common... First, they all seem to feel like it makes them look better if they just put others down. Second, they all seem to think they are hot shit but really have nothing behind them.

Now I can not actually say those things about you FV because I do not know you. I can say however that you exhibit all of the same traits that those guys in the industry that are constantly joked about do. At least I speak from experience. At least I bothered to listen to the song that you posted before I said anything about it. You on the other hand, I do not think you have listened to anything of mine. If so, you are probably making all of your judgements based on one song, but that sounds like your style. As for that little film festival, I am sure there are plenty of good film festivals you know nothing about. Me, I can be happy with how it all came about. Big festival or not, it did waht it did. Dreamworks was happy with the results, so I need not worry about what you think FV.

As for the original poster, I hope you are happy with your purchase. i am sure you are, because at this price, anything that works is a decent deal. Sorry that some other people here like to push and contort things so far that there is no semblance of reason left.

 

[Lt. Bob]

hmmmmm ..... well, I think all the arguments over equipment are stupid.
To be honest ...... most of the first-rate musicians I work with don't give much of a crap about gear .... they just do their thing with whatever they've got. Myself ...... when I go gig I grab whatever I trip on heading out the door. I have some very valuable tube amps and I have other stuff that's not so cool and I don't even give it a thought. I just laugh about it when I see people agonizing over every little detail in their gear when, if you're good enough, it's just not as critical as so many make it out to be.

One exception .... if you make your living as a recording studio then you do have to agonize over little tiny details in mixing/tracking and how everything sounds but otherwise ..... just play.

On the subject of Behringer ...... I have about a half dozen modelers including a POD and a V-Amp. The V-Amp sounds better than the POD almost always. It is built very lightweight and you'd better not drop it and I'm even careful plugging cords into it. But it definitely performs at least as well as the POD.
So far, all the Berry gear I've bought has given me no problems but I've been around long enough to recognise lightly built stuff so I handle it with care. If you're gonna slam it around and toss it in a case ..... then you ought to get a POD 'cause they're built like a tank but if it's gonna sit at home or if you're able to handle something carefully ...... there's no reason to avoid a V-Amp.

 

[SonicAlbert]

To be honest ...... most of the first-rate musicians I work with don't give much of a crap about gear .... they just do their thing with whatever they've got.

My experience has been the complete opposite of this.

All of the best musicians I work with care *a lot* about the instruments they play. Whatever those instruments are, they put a considerable amount of money and thought and care into them. This is not agonizing, this is simply the professionalism and discipline of the craft.

Anybody showing up with a less than optimum instrument would not work much around here.

 

[Lt. Bob]

My experience has been the complete opposite of this.

All of the best musicians I work with care *a lot* about the instruments they play. Whatever those instruments are, they put a considerable amount of money and thought and care into them. This is not agonizing, this is simply the professionalism and discipline of the craft.

Anybody showing up with a less than optimum instrument would not work much around here.

If they played well enough they would.

 

[mamm7215]

Who's DMB? Seriously...