giving berry some props.

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Actually, there are plenty of us that do understand that this is homerecording.com I think the biggest misconception of home recording is when people seem to think that it is a justification to just do things extraordinarily cheaply. Just because a person is recording at home does not mean that everything has to be cheap. It can be high quality. I did not reccomend that instead of buying a v-amp you go out and buy a $3500 Bogner or Bad Cat. THAT might have been overkill. All that being said, in the scheme of things, a line 6 really is in a similar price range.

If you want to come here and praise some of the cheapest nastiest sounding stuff, you really should prepare to have people disagree. Personally, I am not a big Line 6 fan, but I certainly prefer the way the Line 6 sounds over the V-amp. That is why I bought a Pod for quick quiet reference tracks and not a V-amp. I bought the Pod because it did sound that much better. I am not saying that EVERY sound was better, but that the majority of them were. It easily became worth it to spend a couple of hundred dollars more to get the Pod rather than cringe everytime I had to use the V-amp.

Maybe people should try and remember that quality is (or at least should be) the goal whether you are recording at home, or running a multi-million dollar facility. maybe also remember that just because I may not care for your purchase, does not mean that I disrespect you or even think badly of you for making it. Personally, I don't care. You are free to do whatever it is you want. At the same time though, if you come here and try to sing the praises of that kind of stuff, I also have the right to inject my opinion.
 
http://www.phoenixlightandsound.com/Audio

Just about every single production listed there has Behringer compressors and/or gates used on them.

I worked for a sound company where we had at least 40 pieces of Behringer gear. These were in road racks, and installed in night clubs, and much of it was used DAILY! We had no problems with any of it. Yeah, an occasional indicator light would go out, but we had that kind of crap happen with our Yamaha, Ashley, Crown, Lexicon, Allen and Heath, dbx, etc...gear too!

I remember seeing a rack full of Behringer gear being used by Carlson Sound out of Seattle. This was at a major music festival with HUGE acts.

I think the fact that you can download perfectly fine sounding productions that used Behringer, and that you can see this gear in use in professional settings all over the world speaks enough about the performance vs. value. Only an idiot would argue that.
 
xstatic said:
If you want to come here and praise some of the cheapest nastiest sounding stuff, you really should prepare to have people disagree. Personally, I am not a big Line 6 fan, but I certainly prefer the way the Line 6 sounds over the V-amp. That is why I bought a Pod for quick quiet reference tracks and not a V-amp. I bought the Pod because it did sound that much better. I am not saying that EVERY sound was better, but that the majority of them were. It easily became worth it to spend a couple of hundred dollars more to get the Pod rather than cringe everytime I had to use the V-amp.
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I think that is complete BS. You can say you haven't gotten a good sound out of a V-AMP all day long.

There have been enough posted clips of V-AMPs and PODS and enough response to get a consensus among people on this board at least that are open minded about modelers that the V-AMP sounds at least as good as a POD for heavy stuff. I am pretty sure doing a search on these subjects will bear this out.
 
If you like that shit, please keep buying it.



I think after owning 2 berry comps, a berry pre, a berry patchbay, and a headphone amp, I'm sticking to my opinion as to that company's quality and workmanship.

The patchbay didn't give us any problems.
 
amra said:
I think that is complete BS. You can say you haven't gotten a good sound out of a V-AMP all day long.
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Well, I didn't actually say that. What I did say was that almost every time it was much easier to get a better sound out of a Pod.
 
I think that the v-amp sounds good and I stick by my initial statements. If you like line6, then go buy one. Line6 I am sure has some good products. I never said Berhinger is the best brand on the planet. I am saying that this product serves its purpose. And for the $91 dollars that I paid for it, I am very happy with my initial tinkering with the product.

If this, in your opinion, means I am a moron or means that I like things that sound like shit, then thats your opinion. Yes, you are entitled to that. There are just as many people who like behringer products as people who hate them. I am not saying that everything they make is great, but once again, for $91 dollars it was a steal.

As for the line6 pod being in the same price range, you are obviously not too good at math. The rack mounted V-amp PRO is $169 the rackmountable Line 6 podXT amp modeler is $699.99. same price range?? are you smoking crack?
maybe you meant the table top pod?. $299.99. STILL $130 more.
 
Ford Van said:
I rest my case!
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hey man if you love Behringer so much, why don't you marry it! :p


seriously though, your points are all valid, and you have made some great sounding stuff using behri gear. and it's not like there's really anything much better for the same price as behringer. but from doing live sound on my uncle's Behringer mixer, man those preamps and EQs suck! i just don't like the thing. it's not that it sounds awful or bad, just 'not good'. he got it for super cheap though....so i guess that's a plus?
 
Well, feel free to put all the words in my mouth that you want. I never said anything directly about you or your purchase and or needs. Maybe keep that in mind. As for the Pod, I paid $199 for my pod brand new. I would have to say that yes that is a very similar price range. As for loving either of them, no I do not. In fact I hate having to use even the Pod, but sometimes it just fits the immediate needs that are present.

As for professional companies using racks of Behringer... that is not a very common thing for any professional companies. Yes many of them will have the occasional Behringer here and there, but usually not racks full. Behringer would very rarely meet any rider requirements so for a professional company it does not make sense to stock too much Behringer. I have never had much of a problem with Behringer gear breaking down on me (patchbays and headphone amps do not take much abuse) and the gates I have distributed amongst my live racks have all held up pretty well (as has the rest of the equipment in them). The biggest problem I have is with the sound quality. I know that they are cheap, and that is great, but there is a distinct difference between themn and my BSS gates, and even the DBX gates. With all of the Behringer products I have tried there has been a distinct difference. The bottom line is that if you just want quick and cheap, Behringer certainly fits the bill. The composer pro's, the gates, patchbays and headphone amps really are not all that bad when compared to other items in a similar price range. The amps, DSP stuff, EQ's etc... however all fall very short of what the slightly more expensive stuff does. If however you want quality and longevity, I would highly suggest you explore other avenues before buying Behringer.
 
xstatic said:
Well, feel free to put all the words in my mouth that you want. I never said anything directly about you or your purchase and or needs. Maybe keep that in mind. As for the Pod, I paid $199 for my pod brand new. I would have to say that yes that is a very similar price range. As for loving either of them, no I do not. In fact I hate having to use even the Pod, but sometimes it just fits the immediate needs that are present.

As for professional companies using racks of Behringer... that is not a very common thing for any professional companies. Yes many of them will have the occasional Behringer here and there, but usually not racks full. Behringer would very rarely meet any rider requirements so for a professional company it does not make sense to stock too much Behringer. I have never had much of a problem with Behringer gear breaking down on me (patchbays and headphone amps do not take much abuse) and the gates I have distributed amongst my live racks have all held up pretty well (as has the rest of the equipment in them). The biggest problem I have is with the sound quality. I know that they are cheap, and that is great, but there is a distinct difference between themn and my BSS gates, and even the DBX gates. With all of the Behringer products I have tried there has been a distinct difference. The bottom line is that if you just want quick and cheap, Behringer certainly fits the bill. The composer pro's, the gates, patchbays and headphone amps really are not all that bad when compared to other items in a similar price range. The amps, DSP stuff, EQ's etc... however all fall very short of what the slightly more expensive stuff does. If however you want quality and longevity, I would highly suggest you explore other avenues before buying Behringer.
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If you listen to the mp3's of The Heavy Brothers on the link I put above, you will have Behringer gates, not once, but TWICE on all the toms. We tracked with gates on the toms, then used them again on mix down to control resonance. We did a head to head with dbx and aphex products available at the mix down studio and heard NO difference in sound quality between them.

I think you will find Behringer in a LOT of professional sound companies rigs. Maybe not their "A" rigs, but they will have them around.

The fact is, anybody using Behringer gear as an excuse for cruddy sound probably doesn't engineer very good in the first place. Some of the people who have weight in with their opinions in this thread, I have heard their work. Let's just say that their productions do not impress me enough to stay away from using ANY gear that is available! ;)
 
More annoying every time you post. Not saying you don't have a point but geez, what an ego....
 
Big Kenny said:
More annoying every time you post. Not saying you don't have a point but geez, what an ego....
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Ego where? I am just using some fine examples to disprove nonsense being posted.
 
dmbfan1981 said:
everybody always pulls out the DMB card. The fact of the matter is that their is an immense amount of talent in that band, REGARDLESS of whether you like them or their music. And if you try to argue that fact you will look like a complete idiot. Although I am sure you are good at what you do MADAUDIO, I am pretty sure that Steve Lillywhite would make you his bitch. :D

As for the V-amp, everyone has their opinion. Personally I havent ever used Line6 other than their toneport ( which was a hunk of sh*t, talk about a doorstop ) Also, the behringer blows away anything in its price range as far as capabilities. Everyone always brings up line6. its not in the same price range, unless you consider the toneport, in which case, refer to my previous statement. noone has yet to name one thing that compares in the $175 or lower range. besides, it will more than serve its purpose for recording.

Also keep in mind, that sometimes the reason things sound bad isnt because of the equipment. Even the best equipment can't polish a turd. If your playing, and/or songs suck, its sometimes easier to blame it on behringer. it makes it sting a little less that way.
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Way to take a joke.... :rolleyes:

And FTR, I have both the VAmp Pro and the Bass VAmp Pro, and I like them both quite a bit. While they're no replacement for a proper amp, they are useful tools nonetheless. :cool:

And yes, Steve Lillywhite would make me his bitch! :D
 
MadAudio said:
Way to take a joke.... :rolleyes:

And FTR, I have both the VAmp Pro and the Bass VAmp Pro, and I like them both quite a bit. While they're no replacement for a proper amp, they are useful tools nonetheless. :cool:

And yes, Steve Lillywhite would make me his bitch! :D
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I did take the joke, hence the smiley face. Didnt want you to think I had hard feelings. I enjoy a good friendly argument once in a while. I just get ticked at the "I didn't like my berhinger mixer that cost $60 so behringer SUCKS. " obviously a lot of their gear is beginner stuff that does frankly suck. I just hate generalizations. If you bought a taylor guitar and one of the tuners just happened to break a week later does that mean taylor guitars suck? I would love to see someone win that argument. I have no hard feelings with anyone on here. If it comes off as that then just try to lighten up. ( meaning everyone, not you specifically ) Its all for shits and giggles. the more people piss and moan, the more I love to piss them off.


PS- DMB is the best band in the world :D
 
dmbfan1981 said:
I think that the v-amp sounds good and I stick by my initial statements. If you like line6, then go buy one. Line6 I am sure has some good products. I never said Berhinger is the best brand on the planet. I am saying that this product serves its purpose. And for the $91 dollars that I paid for it, I am very happy with my initial tinkering with the product.

If this, in your opinion, means I am a moron or means that I like things that sound like shit, then thats your opinion. Yes, you are entitled to that. There are just as many people who like behringer products as people who hate them. I am not saying that everything they make is great, but once again, for $91 dollars it was a steal.

As for the line6 pod being in the same price range, you are obviously not too good at math. The rack mounted V-amp PRO is $169 the rackmountable Line 6 podXT amp modeler is $699.99. same price range?? are you smoking crack?
maybe you meant the table top pod?. $299.99. STILL $130 more.
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You seem unable to separate price from performance. In other words, price is your main (and perhaps only) concern. I think it is clouding your judgment.

Try this: pay no attention to price. Listen to the gear. How does it sound and function? End of analysis about sound.

Afterwards, turn the price tag over and see if you want to buy it.
 
Can't we change the topic to something less controversial... like abortion... or the war in Iraq
 
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