FIRE "revised".....have a listen

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Dolphin_Babe said:
I can't say much about mixing since I'm no mixing expert, but just wanted to say this is one of the coolest tracks I've heard on soundclick yet :) Awesome everyone :)
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Why, thank you very much Dolphin!!!

TRUE :)
 
I listened and listened, when the drum track was first put with the vocals and keys. I thought it sounded a bit off, but the more I listened, the more I liked the sound. I like the off beat of the drum. But we can change it if you would prefer Rami. Your the drummer, and I want you to decide how you are to be heard.

I like the mix too. I am not that good on the keys, but obviously Gorty knows his AXE. And in most of the song, the keys and guitar share the front seat anyway. I would have to hear the piano brightened up in this mix, before I could decide which I liked the best. Maybe we can check it out, the same as the drums, if that is what you guys want to do.

In fact, I wish this 'songlet' was longer, so the lead could have been featured in a long solo wanking, and Dogs bass to get a little loosey goosey!! :eek:

What I would like to change a bit, is Dogs bassline. He is the one pushed back in the mix. Bring him up just a bit more.

Once again guys, you did a fantastic job on this *songlet*. And I am forever grateful to you....TRUE :)
 
true-eurt said:
I listened and listened, when the drum track was first put with the vocals and keys. I thought it sounded a bit off, but the more I listened, the more I liked the sound. I like the off beat of the drum. But we can change it if you would prefer Rami. Your the drummer, and I want you to decide how you are to be heard.

I like the mix too. I am not that good on the keys, but obviously Gorty knows his AXE. And in most of the song, the keys and guitar share the front seat anyway. I would have to hear the piano brightened up in this mix, before I could decide which I liked the best. Maybe we can check it out, the same as the drums, if that is what you guys want to do.

In fact, I wish this 'songlet' was longer, so the lead could have been featured in a long solo wanking, and Dogs bass to get a little loosey goosey!! :eek:

What I would like to change a bit, is Dogs bassline. He is the one pushed back in the mix. Bring him up just a bit more.

Once again guys, you did a fantastic job on this *songlet*. And I am forever grateful to you....TRUE :)
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To everyone involved and concerned in the mix of this tune!

Basically I agree that the keys could be brightened up with some more mids and possibly some highs in there too, the bass could be bought forward in the mix and some clarity added in perhaps the mids as well.

The positioning of the drum tracks will need to be altered, and maybe some eq applied slightly here and there to the drums to remove what sounds like to me a little boxiness which will also add a clarity to the tunes rythym section.
In hind sight the guitars may be a little too bright and forward in the mix.

The possible reason for the controversy as regards to the mix and track placement lies in the fact that mp3 formats have been sent back and forth and each individual person has laid down and blended in their component to the song without being able to adjust all the existing tracks individually.

Eg: Dogman laid a bass track down and blended his bass line into the already stereo (or mono in this particular case?) track which contained: vocals, keys and drums. So at the time of Dogman mixing in his bass track he did a fine job of mixing in the format we were using which was in converted mp3 -wav file, not individual wav files, which means there was no way Dogman could adjust individual tracks to compensate for the now added bass line!

Then Gorty enters and adds a couple of guitar tracks and blends the guitars into the now existing stereo track of: vocals, keys, drums and bass.

By now what we have is multiple tracks being layered without being able to individually mix the vocal track, the drum track, the keys track and bass track to compensate for the guitars just added.
Everytime a new instrument is added the dynamics of the song change which is then needed to be addressed in some form of adjustment to the previous added track freqencies and volume etc.

What we need to do guys is have a source with all the individual tracks and have them mixed in a manner that will achieve the results that we all have the capabilities to achieve!


This post is not a dig at anyone at all, this is just to clarify to everyone interested or concerned with the final result and to rectify any nuances there are that need to be ironed out!

I love this tune and are happy with the results when you consider how we got to where we did with how we did it!

I loved the involvement and if everyone is in agreement why don't we make this an example of what can be done to improve an already very emotional and moving piece of music created by a bunch of very talented individuals!

Gorty :)

I love you Guys (Not like that, if you know what I mean) :D
 
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GORTY said:
I love this tune and are happy with the results when you consider how we got to where we did with how we did it!

I loved the involvement and if everyone is in agreement why don't we make this an example of what can be done to improve an already very emotional and moving piece of music created by a bunch of very talented individuals!

Gorty

I love you Guys (Not like that, if you know what I mean)
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Gorty, everything you say is true. Well put.

I am in agreement.......True :)
 
I think all these things should be easy to fix. Does Choctaw want to do this? He did the first mix, and I think he did a good job. If not, I would sure try it. I think the only thing that really happened, was just piling things on the mp3 smashed it a bit. (Other than some sort of timing issue with the drums.) I think what really should happen, is bring the drums and piano up a bit, and give the drum sounds some work. The file I got was mono, and the drums sounded thin because of this. I tried to fix the sound a bit, but maybe just putting individual tracks in a new mix will fix all these issues.
So, ask Choctaw if he wants to do this. If he is busy, I will try.
 
I can re-send the STEREO drum track if someone wants it. As far as the drum alignment is concerned, the drums start 2 bars too soon, so all you have to do is nudge them over 2 beats. I'm glad some people say that they like the drums the way they are...But honestly, it sounds like a beginner playing. The beat is inverted so it's not even the right beat to the song, and rolls start and end 2 beats too soon all the way through...it's just wrong.
 
Who deals with Cubase......let me know.

Dogman said:
I think all these things should be easy to fix. Does Choctaw want to do this?

Will send the raw files to anybody that wants to try their turn at calming the storm about who is too fast or slow...to loud or soft etc. My files of True are the orginal piano & voice... with a track of RAMIs drums put where he suggested...I moved over a bit... I think it sounds in time........there is no fade out at the end for the drums......so that needs to be dealt with after the fix it party. I use Cubase SX 3 and that is what the format is. Let me know where to send the files. I can remove the drum track if needed......but anybody using Cubase can do the same and also move that drum RT or LF. Let me know.

Choctaw
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choctaw said:
Dogman said:
I think all these things should be easy to fix. Does Choctaw want to do this?

Will send the raw files to anybody that wants to try their turn at calming the storm about who is too fast or slow...to loud or soft etc. My files of True are the orginal piano & voice... with a track of RAMIs drums put where he suggested...I moved over a bit... I think it sounds in time........there is no fade out at the end for the drums......so that needs to be dealt with after the fix it party. I use Cubase SX 3 and that is what the format is. Let me know where to send the files. I can remove the drum track if needed......but anybody using Cubase can do the same and also move that drum RT or LF. Let me know.

Choctaw
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Do you want my bass file? I can send it if you want to mix this. I think you have more tracks than anyone, so if you have the time, it might be best if you can do this. I can post a link, or send a file. Just let me know if you want to work on this.
As far as a mix, I think True can best judge what she want it to sound like. This tune rocked with just a piano, and vocals, so I would love to hear any version of it.
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How to be a failure...try and please everybody.

Dogman said:
Do you want my bass file? I can send it if you want to mix this. I think you have more tracks than anyone, so if you have the time, it might be best if you can do this. I can post a link, or send a file. Just let me know if you want to work on this.
As far as a mix, I think True can best judge what she want it to sound like. This tune rocked with just a piano, and vocals, so I would love to hear any version of it.
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I have sent true the Cubase file with voice...keys...and Rami drums added. Seems it would be easy to add the guitar and bass. Then move that drum track where ever is needed. That drum track sounds good in some areas after the song gets started...So if it is moved the part that is in time will be sounding different. Rami could be wanting this fixed and that fixed for some time because every performer will think the others should be playing to his beat.....but in reality the song is just one big thing that has to pull together into completion. Really placing the bass and guitar can be very individual in nature. If each of us took the mix and did our thing they would all be different according to individual preference...and True might not like any of them. You guys can work on it with what I have sent True or I will send it to you also. Send me the Bass & Guitar files MP3 and I will put them in the song at my discretion and let you hear that version also. Will be out of town until Feb 8 so after that will give it my shot. In closing my old grandmother had a saying. She said "I can't tell you how to succeed, but I can tell you how to become a faliure...just try and please everybody, it can't be done". We all dance to a different drummer (beat)..
Choctaw
 
As far as the timing issue is concerned, the only thing that has to be done is moving the drums to start 2 beats later.
 
So who wants my guitar tracks?

And in what format?

I can mix my 3 guitar tracks and send that as a wav or send all 3 tracks in mp3!

Someone let me know! :)
 
Gorty said:
So who wants my guitar tracks?

And in what format?

I can mix my 3 guitar tracks and send that as a wav or send all 3 tracks in mp3!

Someone let me know! :)
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I just came for the song. I have no idea what is going on now. :confused:
 
Well, unless Choctaw doesn't want to, I say we just give him the tracks, and let him work with True on the song. He did a good job on her original, and she could probably tell him easier than us what she wants. Does he live near you True?
Personally, I thought the bass was a bit too loud, but I mixed it that way to show her the bass. I think it killed the piano and drums. Luckily, the vocals are the center, and seemed to miss all the smashing of the Mp3... :D
I will send a track to whomever needs one.
 
Dogman said:
Well, unless Choctaw doesn't want to, I say we just give him the tracks, and let him work with True on the song. He did a good job on her original, and she could probably tell him easier than us what she wants. Does he live near you True?
Personally, I thought the bass was a bit too loud, but I mixed it that way to show her the bass. I think it killed the piano and drums. Luckily, the vocals are the center, and seemed to miss all the smashing of the Mp3... :D
I will send a track to whomever needs one.
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He will be out of town for a while.

You want to just sit on it a bit? If one of you guys want to do it, I don't care. Dog? Gorty? I don't want to take up your time. Dog you said you had 40 projects going, and you do seem to have a lot out there now, so would you have the time Gorty? If not it is okay. I can wait. And if I did try and messed it up, we'll still have the original files on cubase because it automatically makes a copy when you download a file, that you work with and the original is safe. So if ya don't have time, send them all to me and I will try. :eek: :D

You know I am not sauvvy to this yet. Got to do it on litte ditties of mine first.

TRUE :)
 
true-eurt said:
He will be out of town for a while.

You want to just sit on it a bit? If one of you guys want to do it, I don't care. Dog? Gorty? I don't want to take up your time. Dog you said you had 40 projects going, and you do seem to have a lot out there now, so would you have the time Gorty? If not it is okay. I can wait. And if I did try and messed it up, we'll still have the original files on cubase because it automatically makes a copy when you download a file, that you work with and the original is safe. So if ya don't have time, send them all to me and I will try. :eek: :D

You know I am not sauvvy to this yet. Got to do it on litte ditties of mine first.

TRUE :)
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True, I have plenty of time, so I can do it. I didn't know if Choctaw being near you might help. If not, I would GLADLY do this. It's a fun song, and I would expect input from everyone involved. Just ask Choctaw first. He helped you initially, and did a great job. You decide. Your project, woman.... :D
 
Dogman said:
True, I have plenty of time, so I can do it. I didn't know if Choctaw being near you might help. If not, I would GLADLY do this. It's a fun song, and I would expect input from everyone involved. Just ask Choctaw first. He helped you initially, and did a great job. You decide. Your project, woman.... :D
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Let me know, I can send you whatever you want Dogman!..............except four 18 year old blonde virgins for sacrifice!.................They are just a figment of my imagination! :D
 
Gorty said:
Let me know, I can send you whatever you want Dogman!..............except four 18 year old blonde virgins for sacrifice!.................They are just a figment of my imagination! :D
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Hell, virgins went out in the 1900's.....
Give me a nasty girl anyday....
 
This one needs to be somebody elses ball....

RAMI said:
As far as the timing issue is concerned, the only thing that has to be done is moving the drums to start 2 beats later.
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Well I moved the drums and sent them to True.. starting 2 beats early before Rami wrote his request to start them 2 beats later... and it was playing with the keys and voice...sounded fine. But have no idea what will happen when adding bass & guitar. That file I sent True has 3 individual tracks...so the drum can be moved over either way, in fact it is a cubase project and can accomplish anything that software can do.............but as I said in another post it will effect some other places that in my view are OK where they are. Might need to cut and paste some licks. As it sits now your drum roll starts when everything else does and it plays right on time thru the entire piece. I am not a big time sound man........just having some fun. So to get real serious you will need others to step in and do a jam up professional job so as to make peace in the jungle.

If your like me......it is better to do it all live and sort things out playing off each instrument as it happens. Putting all the sounds together the way this thing went could be anybodies game. Know one knows where any instrument was played in the mind of the one who created it.
 
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