Do i really NEED a compressor?

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Gentlemen, gentlemen

The youngster really shouldn't have called him a c**t. That was a bit of an over reaction to Falken's reply, which you can't really blame him for. It's a question he should have used the search option for.

We are not (or at least we shouldn't be) in the business of 'convincing' others to buy stuff. Just honest opinions for each others recording needs, which should have been specified in the original post.
 
In response to the original insult, I jokingly posted, trying to add levity to what became a nasty thread:
"cnut"= probably a slang shorthand for "crazy nut".... certainly not a mispelled version of that word my wife hates so much...
And Fraserhutch (who my post had NOTHING to do with) goes ahead and leaves me a red chicklet w/ an insult to my wife!!!
Do i really NEED a comp... 08-05-2005 20:18 Your wife LOVES this cock - fraserhutch
What the hell is your problem Fraserhutch???? What the hell was it about MY post that made YOU throw a hissy fit?? ... "TheSobe" is the one who posted the "cnut" post, and he didn't get all bent out of shape about my obviously humorous reply.... Or do you just like to randomly leave bad feedback, and insult people's wives??? :mad: :mad: You're either an asshole, or you were drunk and misposted.... :confused:
 
Cool.... I've rec'd 2 positive rep points, both telling e that Fraserhutsch WAS/IS an asshole.... Life evens things out.... :D :D
 
Thanks for the replys guys, it seems to have become somewhat heated over here. To clear some things up, I'm not marketing anything, just looking for advice/opinions on a subject that i'm still learning about, like many if not all of us.

Now, looking back on my responce to falkens initial reply, I stand by it although it may seem harsh, as i'd not expect to be patronised like that in real life, and this guy has obviously got a stick up his arse for whatever reason and feels like taking it on on someone over the internet.

"and you have 'wee' boxes? do you keep those next to the bed?"

Eh..what? Maybe i dont understand your sense of humour mate, but if this was meant to be a light hearted 'joke' as opposed to a really weak put-down, then i appologise for branding you as a lady part.

Also, maybe i got the wrong impression of you due to the fact that you seem to have a problem with a product that i dont think i've read one negative review about, on the internet or in any respected music publication.

Thanks for your reply fraser (and for understanding where i was coming from), thats sorta cleared things up a bit more...I guess its more a limiter i'm after. The reason i started looking into getting an outboard compressor was to avoid clipping in say an acoustic track, where you wanted to perform all parts of the song together as opposed to tracking the guit, then the vox seperately. If there is a part of the song, mainly when going into a middle eight or a solo when your getting into the groove and the volume increases more than u anticipated, and this results in the signal clipping, it can ruin the track. ...

(Just read over your post again 60s Guy, i think this was the point you were making right? Falken seems to think the opposite however "I would not compress just to avoid digital clipping. if you want to avoid clipping, turn down the gain. compression is used to alter the sound, much like eq"

Clipping can be avoided by turning the gain down, or thinking about mic technique more, but i reckon this sort of thing takes away from the performance when the level on the meters is constantly in the back of your head.

Falken - Music is about opinion and point of view, as is the way we record it, but to be honest if opinion is forced on someone with little jusification and a whole lot of attitude, i tend to not care for it.

mr.rich - I'll get a link to a few tracks if you'd care to listen, i'd appreciate any comments you'd have to how i'd benifit from having a compressor in the signal chain.

Puffin - I've been recording for about 5 years, and everything i've bought ive researched to the max, as being Scottish limits your ability to part with your money somewhat. I suppose my question was somewhat vague however, but i didnt force anyone to reply, so suit yourself, if you dont want to contribute then thats cool.

Eddie - Thanks for the reply man, i'll look into those cables you mentioned, ive been using 1/4" guitar leads for most connections with what i consider good results, but if i was to get more outboard gear, i was thinking these may be a bit overkill length wise.

Thanks for all the other replys. I'll get some tracks up soon for anyone that wants to listen, or for anyone that just wants to know that im not marketing something :rolleyes:

Cheers
 
Oh... to add some legitamate content...

I own an RNC and I really like it. Money well spent.... (Go for the rack mounting kit for it!!)

I also have an ART PRO VLA, a Symetrix 522, and Ashley and DBX 160A comps...

The RNC is my second most used compressor after the PRO VLA.... It's very clean, but I find myself using the VLA for it's own sound.

If you can, I'd get both... Then *MOST* of your compression needs are covered.

But the RNC really is a VERY useful clean compressor....
 
maybe he didn't mean to insult Falken with the word cnut,
if you look it up it says this:

CNUT: king of denmark and normay who forced edmind 2 to divide england with him, on the death of edmind 2 canute became king of all of england (994-1035)
synonyms are: knut, canute, canute the great

and to add something serious to this post:
i finally got fed up with using cheap compressors, i used to have one on each channel when i recorded drums and still wasn't satisfied with the sounds i got,
lately i was recording drums with only a compressor on the stereo mix and god it sounded so much fatter,harder and real than ever before,
i used to think that a compressor can fatten things up, but beware, cheap stuff will most likely THIN your sound, exept if you're using pumping machines like DBX 163's, they're mean!

so if you don't have severe problems with your mixes, just use some software compression if you really want it,
and the more machines you use during tracking or mixing, the more "problems" you got in the mix,
so now the goal for me is to record stuff with the least equipment and to make it all sound "'real" instead of the "plastic"-overcompressed sounds i used to have...

over and out./
 
thesobe said:
Also, maybe i got the wrong impression of you due to the fact that you seem to have a problem with a product that i dont think i've read one negative review about, on the internet or in any respected music publication.

then why do you feel the need to come here and beg the question again?

thesobe said:
Falken - Music is about opinion and point of view, as is the way we record it, but to be honest if opinion is forced on someone with little jusification and a whole lot of attitude, i tend to not care for it.

its funny that you say that, because thats exactly the way I feel about the RNC. I read how great it is on this board a thousand times so I finally went out and bought it. I was very dissapointed because it didn't stand up to any other compressor I had in the same range. it was horrible. Now, to be fair to FMR, I also picked up the RNP and that unit works pretty darn good. But don't be fooled by "some compressors add color and some don't" because that's bull. they ALL add color. period. The RNC tries to be transparent and fails, simply because what they are trying to do is impossible. The analog signal chain through the unit IS pristine. very clear. but when you actually clamp down on the transients, the color that is added is very blah and
undesirable. that is my point of view.

sorry about the little joke, i'll go delete it if you want. There was a 'stick in my ass' so to speak. It had written on it 'more bullcrap about the RNC'.
over here in the states "wee" is what a child might say for "pee" or "take a leak". and when you get old, you are given a "pee-can". I figured it was similar to a "wee-box".

and he wrote cnut because even though you can write 'fuck' and 'shit' on this board, if you try to write ****, all you get is that.

now, you may as well stop with all of the negative rep points. its childish. my rep power has actually gone up in the last week. apparently a whole lot of people agree with me.

now, please take this marketing bullshit somewhere else. its disgusting. I don't think anybody here would advise a child to purchase any piece of gear they cannot afford.
 
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turnitdown said:
In response to the original insult, I jokingly posted, trying to add levity to what became a nasty thread:
And Fraserhutch (who my post had NOTHING to do with) goes ahead and leaves me a red chicklet w/ an insult to my wife!!!

What the hell is your problem Fraserhutch???? What the hell was it about MY post that made YOU throw a hissy fit?? ... "TheSobe" is the one who posted the "cnut" post, and he didn't get all bent out of shape about my obviously humorous reply.... Or do you just like to randomly leave bad feedback, and insult people's wives??? :mad: :mad: You're either an asshole, or you were drunk and misposted.... :confused:

I never sent that. It was someone masquerading as me.
 
turnitdown said:
Cool.... I've rec'd 2 positive rep points, both telling e that Fraserhutsch WAS/IS an asshole.... Life evens things out.... :D :D

Well, if you go the negative rep from me (which you didn't), 2 rep points would not have evened thingsd out as negative rep from me would have cost you 6 points.

And thanks for the negtative rep in return, please do some SIMPLE research before you do that. the negative rep was probably sent LONG after I last logged off.

And finally, if the dickwad who sent you the s positive rep points gave you the same number of points as the negative one, then it's probably the same dickwad who forged the negtive rep in my name.
 
Tell ya what....

If you didn't leave me that nasty rep, then you'll be able to leave me some right now!!
If you did leave that, the system won't let you leave me a rep point again. (Until you "spread it around")

Simple... Leave me a rep point right now (pos or neg), and I'll know that wasn't you before !!!! :D
 
turnitdown said:
Tell ya what....

If you didn't leave me that nasty rep, then you'll be able to leave me some right now!!
If you did leave that, the system won't let you leave me a rep point again. (Until you "spread it around")

Simple... Leave me a rep point right now (pos or neg), and I'll know that wasn't you before !!!! :D

Done. Not that I feel I have anything to prove to you.

And, in fact, here is a rep I got at the same time you did, forged in Teacher's name:
Do i really NEED a comp... 08-05-2005 20:17 How's your moms asshole? - Teacher

So, in the end, you get 6+ points, and I'm down two, lol. You owe me.....
 
Fraserhutch, sorry about the neg rep... I promise I'll spread some around, and leave you positive as soon as the system lets me....

In the meantime.... Gee.... who would have been pissed off at my original post.......... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
 
turnitdown said:
Fraserhutch, sorry about the neg rep... I promise I'll spread some around, and leave you positive as soon as the system lets me....

In the meantime.... Gee.... who would have been pissed off at my original post.......... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

There's some anonymous asshole who's been peppering a lot of people with negative rep just to be a douchebag. My guess is that this jism-burper has now taken to forging other's names to his slime.

Here is an example of what's been in my cp:
Shut the fuck up, goddamn jew.
Bust a load in your mouth
Ride my geased pole

etc.

These came from someone with no rep power. The forged one with teacher's name had a couple of rep points. I think 2, but I'm not sure.

Either way, he's an asshole with the maturity of a 6-year old and the obvious intelligence of an autistic gerbil.
 
earworm said:
maybe he didn't mean to insult Falken with the word cnut,
if you look it up it says this:

CNUT: king of denmark and normay who forced edmind 2 to divide england with him, on the death of edmind 2 canute became king of all of england (994-1035)
synonyms are: knut, canute, canute the great



heh thats funny, my last named is canute. i sorta doubt he was refering to the king but mabye.
 
fraserhutch said:
Get a clue yerself.
I do have a clue.

FALKEN said:
I would not compress just to avoid digital clipping. if you want to avoid clipping, turn down the gain. compression is used to alter the sound, much like eq.
Wouldn't a better description of the purpose of compression be "control" over levels? Granted. Some compressors can alter the sound in addition to providing control.

thesobe,
Please accept my apology for being a bit over zealous and rude. Reducing gain is an obvious first solution to gain control over the input. If that doesn't work because of the overall dynamic range (vocalist, for example) then using compression at the input stage is not just justified, but advisable.

Again, my apologies.
 
60's guy said:
I do have a clue.
Wouldn't a better description of the purpose of compression be "control" over levels? Granted. Some compressors can alter the sound in addition to providing control.
Not necessarily. A lot of times compression is used purely as an effect, to change the sound.
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an heavy handed 1176 is one of the greatest effects ever. i want a wall of those suckers. anyone wanna fund it?
 
fraserhutch said:
Not necessarily. A lot of times compression is used purely as an effect, to change the sound.
Reread what I wrote.

60's guys said:
Some compressors can alter the sound in addition to providing control.
What part of that statement didn't you understand? Alter = effect. I understand the concept that compressors can *change* the sound.

Not all compressors...mind you.
 
60's guy said:
Reread what I wrote.


What part of that statement didn't you understand? Alter = effect. I understand the concept that compressors can *change* the sound.

Not all compressors...mind you.

I haven't met a compressor that cannot change the sound.
 
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