Digital vs. Analog: Tell Us Something We Haven't Heard

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MCI2424 said:
Whatever
I just took in a Studer 827. It is really good. My buddies Beck and ZEE can relate to the vibe.

To ZEE ad beck:
vibe ny balls. This deck sounds awesome]Frick yoiurself
I love the
Studer Experience

You are fuckin los

Tell me your junk sounds antwhere
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ARE YOU SAYIN’ OUR SOUND AINT FAT?

WELL, YOU AINT FAT… YOU AINT NOTHIN’!

I’LL SHOW YOU FAT!

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im just kidding around, sort of

Hey i was just sort of joking about hating recording. But there is some truth in all that i said even though i was just trying to be funny.

But let me ask you this. Lets say that today you found out that Digital was better than Analog or vice versa. Lets say it was somehow proven for a fact and no more arguing could be done. What would you do the next day? Would getting recordings to sound a way that serves the song be any easier? Would it make anything easier or different? Fuck no.

Right now im listening to some old 80s garage band recordings of a singer that later went on to become hugely successful and influential in the middle to late 90s. This was his first attempt at writing and recording tunes in his bedroom. It sounds like ass. There is all this washed out reverb and slapback echo and for some reason they flanged everything including the bass guitar. But, you can tell the shit is genius in some way and you can also tell the guy had ideas. Id rather listen to this than almost any modern music with its "perfect" production in a "perfect" studio. And im not some idiot either. I dig alot of different things and styles of music.

Seriously, i know you want to argue about every little thing because thats what you know about and its your claim to fame on this planet. But i think youd go way farther just realizing that all that shit means nothing when creativity is applied.

Of course you have every right to argue this and of course this is home recording.com. But rather than just dispute the ups and downs of recordings, realize there are sideways qualities to recordings as well. And people who listen to music enjoy those qualities. Maybe youve been listening to audio production so long it has become clinical and stale black or white. But there is grey area. And i bet if you embraced the grey a little more youd have more success in the world of music beyond getting all your little 1s and 0s in a perfect line.
 
Good Friend said:
Lets say that today you found out that Digital was better than Analog or vice versa. Lets say it was somehow proven for a fact and no more arguing could be done. What would you do the next day?
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Invade Poland. ;)
 
Hey, Good Friend: No "red thingies" from me, as you seem to have an interesting and rather sober view of things. Can't disagree with most of what you say. ;)
 
Well

Thanks alot. I really dont want to sound like a jerk. I just get frustrated sometimes.

I think the only answer is the same answer it always will be: "to each his own"
 
ausrock said:
Sorry MCI, but that's much what you did in another thread when I more or less asked if you'd "performed an autopsy" on the new range of JoeMeek gear to back up your comment "The new ones cut corners and use lower quality components."

And on that subject, while, like you I'm fond of my VC1, TF was an unethical twit, a fact which was reflected in the gradual decline of his products and the demise of the company.

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You should open them up and have a looksy. TF made good, solid equipment and the new ones are all surface mounted chinese stuff.
 
MCI2424 said:
........the new ones are all surface mounted chinese stuff.
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While I'm no fan of SMT I have to accept that the majority of AV gear is now using it.....................HOWEVER, that still doesn't mean that it is necessarily "cutting corners and using lower quality components"...............anyways, this is irrelevant to this thread apart from illustrating your propensity for hypocracy.

:cool:
 
MCI2424 said:
You should open them up and have a looksy. TF made good, solid equipment and the new ones are all surface mounted chinese stuff.
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The type of component be it SMT or Through the Hole or a combo of the both.

does not make or break the piece of hardware.

What matters is the quality of the components Low noise, good band width and stabilaty.

I do know that Through the hole is easer to work with when replacing parts.

SMT is a little harder but very easy with the right tools.

I have worked on both.

Some of the higher end stuff is using SMT now it does have some advantages.

Smaller Rack cases ect cheaper to produce. but does not effect the quality of the unit. Provided the components are good.

you can get the same components now adays in both packages SMT or Through the hole mounting.

Reason some of the high end stuff is using through the hole still. Is it will cost a lot to retool to SMT. for the volume that they make.

my 2 watts.
 
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...new ones are all surface mounted chinese stuff.
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what IS surface mounted chinese stuff? What does it mean or look like? :confused: :o :confused: :o :confused: :o
Things like this? :
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yep

Machine pressed circuit boards like that :D

gotta love the age of mass production :D

Keith
 
krhall said:
yep

Machine pressed circuit boards like that :D

gotta love the age of mass production :D

Keith
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Uh! I see - Ting-Dang-Ting-Dang :D
Now, then how about these (see attached pic)? Those are kinda' on the surface yet in the hole (that hast to be the best of both worlds or something?) those two looksy kind of sucky from looksy point of view :p ;)
Also I do exclusively point-to-point. Does it make my gear the best of the best? It has to. I RULE then! :D :p :D me me me me me me me me meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 

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Dr ZEE said:
what IS surface mounted chinese stuff? What does it mean or look like? :confused: :o :confused: :o :confused: :o
Things like this? :
:D
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I thought you knew it all?

You are a dope if you DON"T know.
Answer it yourself so everyone can know. Don't listen to me, tell us all about itplease. We are waiting...............
 
MCI2424 said:
Don't listen to me.
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I don't.
I am not listening, - I'm monitoring you. Guys like you, who make quintessential nonsensical statements ala "I use it alot for digital recording because it is transformer coupled and has a great opto-compressor which shapes the sound better in the digital domain. Very "analog" style of sound.", must be monitored and confronted.
;)
 
Dr ZEE said:
I don't.
I am not listening, - I'm monitoring you. Guys like you, who make quintessential nonsensical statements ala "I use it alot for digital recording because it is transformer coupled and has a great opto-compressor which shapes the sound better in the digital domain. Very "analog" style of sound.", must be monitored and confronted.
;)
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Why can't you give us an answer? We are waiting.............
 
MCI2424 said:
Why can't you give us an answer?.............
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Answer to what? To the question I've posted?
That wasn't a question. It was a statement. It was demonstration of some highly regarded by mci2424 gear that are very much like "chinese style mounted" cheapsy thingy which one may conclude based on looksy.

/later
 
Dr ZEE said:
Answer to what? To the question I've posted?
That wasn't a question. It was a statement. It was demonstration of some highly regarded by mci2424 gear that are very much like "chinese style mounted" cheapsy thingy which one may conclude based on looksy.

/later
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How about the fact that the chinese components don't last very long, are generally unreliable, and most computor motherboards/components have their caps dry up within 3-5years at best because of a faulty formula creating too much hydrogen to form? I can show you endless documents about this. These are the same components that are in the chinese manufactured items of today. But, you don't back up any of your arguments with anything other than opinion, and when that fails, you start dribbling on with some bizarre bullcrap.
 
ausrock said:
While I'm no fan of SMT I have to accept that the majority of AV gear is now using it.....................HOWEVER, that still doesn't mean that it is necessarily "cutting corners and using lower quality components"...............anyways, this is irrelevant to this thread apart from illustrating your propensity for hypocracy.

:cool:
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Whatever man
 
MCI2424 said:
you don't back up any of your arguments with anything other than opinion
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when opinion is all that matter - yes. Also if and when I do so - I "back it up" with my opinion as opposite to somebody else's.
As for "faulty formula" - yeah, we all read about it (well, I've read about it, while I never happen to experience anything that may "indicate" that any of my "chinese computers" are victims of the alleged fraud. I may be just lucky. I don't know.). So?
So was it the reason why YOURS VC1 is ONE and only? You could say so, then. Something like: "My Fletcher's original VC1 is great (better than new ones) - it does not contain those chinese faulty formula caps that will last for less than 3-5 years".
 
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