Can't achieve studio quality...

[Farview]

Just for an experiment, take this question over to gearslutz, where the 'real' pros hang out, and see what happens.

Funny thing is, I don't see too many questions like this on that board.

 

[mrT]

Just for an experiment, take this question over to gearslutz, where the 'real' pros hang out, and see what happens.

Funny thing is, I don't see too many questions like this on that board.

This isn't really a pro forum though... that's the point. There is good information on here but it's for people with limited budgets and alot of times expirience. If you think you need a pro forum go join one. Just leave the people alone that aren't at that level.

 

[Farview]

This thread, in the newbie section, is actually quite helpful.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=199712

 

[Farview]

This isn't really a pro forum though... that's the point. There is good information on here but it's for people with limited budgets and alot of times expirience. If you think you need a pro forum go join one. Just leave the people alone that aren't at that level.

You can find the same good information there. There are a lot of people just starting out over there, but no one will spoon feed anyone. Same thing with studio central. You are expected to post in the proper forum and, at least, do some of the work yourself.

 

[mrT]

This thread, in the newbie section, is actually quite helpful.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=199712

Indeed. It's amazing. people listened to what he said and gave informed advice as to how he could do better. And it wasn't just telling him to give up. Yet it wasn't from these studio wiz kids that need to claim their superiority in an internet help forum. If somebody thought it was in the wrong forum it should have just been a simple matter of saying "yo, wrong forum dude." Why do some of the people here have to be such dicks about stuff? Is it the hemeroids from sitting too long at those consoles?

 

[Farview]

Indeed. It's amazing. people listened to what he said and gave informed advice as to how he could do better. And it wasn't just telling him to give up. Yet it wasn't from these studio wiz kids that need to claim their superiority in an internet help forum.

Oddly enough, in the proper forum for this sort of question, he got the proper response. Who knew?

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

This isn't really a pro forum though... that's the point. There is good information on here but it's for people with limited budgets and alot of times expirience. If you think you need a pro forum go join one. Just leave the people alone that aren't at that level.

And IMHO that completly misses the point.

When someone here asks (regardless of his budget or level of expertise) how to make his recordings sound like a commercial CD or how to "achieve studio quality", they are asking how to make a pro recording.

The average rookie has more and better technology and capability at his disposal in an entry-level $2000-$3000 home project studio than your average $50,000-$100,000 "pro" studio had as recently as the 1980s. Rookies are constantly coming on this board with the intention of using multi-band compression, side-chaining lines from their 8-mic drum kit, creating typical multi-track sessions of 15-30 digital tracks, and building gobos, diffusers and bass traps for their dorm room; they are coming on here with the intention of making pro recordings on pro-level-technology gear, whether they think they are or not.

The fact that they more often than not have have zero grounding or experience in actual pro technique and have little idea of what they are actually doing is where the problem usually lies and is where the answers need to be focused.

When someone asks how to use a sophisticated signal processor, or how to make their disc sound like Joe Biglabel's disc, they are asking how to get results like a pro. They are asking how to make a pro recording. They had better be ready for some frank and technical - some "pro level" - responses. Including responses that they won't want to hear, like "The only way to get a pro-level recording is to work like a pro-level engineer. And the only way to work like a pro-level engineer is to work like a pro-level engineer. You gotta learn how to fly all that fancy gear, it ain't gong to automatically fly itself."

"Home recording" isn't for amateurs any more.

G.

 

[mrT]

And IMHO that completly misses the point.

When someone here asks (regardless of his budget or level of expertise) how to make his recordings sound like a commercial CD or how to "achieve studio quality", they are asking how to make a pro recording.

The average rookie has more and better technology and capability at his disposal in an entry-level $2000-$3000 home project studio than your average $50,000-$100,000 "pro" studio had as recently as the 1980s. Rookies are constantly coming on this board with the intention of using multi-band compression, side-chaining lines from their 8-mic drum kit, creating typical multi-track sessions of 15-30 digital tracks, and building gobos, diffusers and bass traps for their dorm room; they are coming on here with the intention of making pro recordings on pro-level-technology gear, whether they think they are or not.

Which by the way degrade the content of this site. sooo, by being a dick to the people that you think hurt the forum with their uneducated (how dare they) posts YOU are making the forum suck even more.
The fact that they more often than not have have zero grounding or experience in actual pro technique and have little idea of what they are actually doing is where the problem usually lies and is where the answers need to be focused.

When someone asks how to use a sophisticated signal processor, or how to make their disc sound like Joe Biglabel's disc, they are asking how to get results like a pro. They are asking how to make a pro recording. They had better be ready for some frank and technical - some "pro level" - responses. Including responses that they won't want to hear, like "The only way to get a pro-level recording is to work like a pro-level engineer. And the only way to work like a pro-level engineer is to work like a pro-level engineer. You gotta learn how to fly all that fancy gear, it ain't gong to automatically fly itself."

"Home recording" isn't for amateurs any more.

G.

I'm not saying this stuff should be toned down or anything. But if you feel that someone is below your level of expertise (and if they're asking questions they know this too) why would you post something insulting. I think it has something to do with the fact that just because someone is a competant knowledgable engineer doesn't make them a decent person. In fact while I've gotten multitudes of good info from this site, I've also had to sift through the unhelpfull "opinion" of these same assholes. I tihnk this forum would be a lot cooler if people just stuck to helping each other instead of getting in these epic e-pissing contests.

 

[fraserhutch]

For real... you quoted yourself. nice

Am I the only one that thinks actually trying to help someone is a good idea?

And how the fuckin hell do you fuckin think that the fuckin advice that fuckin Chess gave that fuckin noob wasn't fucking help? Stop being a fucktard.


As was mentioned here in this thread which you probably didn't read, or conveniently chose to ignore:

Oddly enough, in the proper forum for this sort of question, he got the proper response. Who knew?

 

[mrT]

And how the fuckin hell do you fuckin think that the fuckin advice that fuckin Chess gave that fuckin noob wasn't fucking help? Stop being a fucktard.


As was mentioned here in this thread which you probably didn't read, or conveniently chose to ignore:

It wasn't help because it was insulting and served no real purpose other than to make chess feel good that he put someone "in their place." Much like your post. I did read that thread... and if you read my post which is right above yours you would see this..

If somebody thought it was in the wrong forum it should have just been a simple matter of saying "yo, wrong forum dude." Why do some of the people here have to be such dicks about stuff? Is it the hemeroids from sitting too long at those consoles?

and Fucktard? that's the best you got? I think you might have called me that before. It's ok though... I've been called much worse (and in real life too).

Get a life

PS. I quoted myself as a nod to fairview (I actually thought it was funny, I didn't intend that to be an insult)

 

[soundchaser59]

And IMHO that completly misses the point.

When someone here asks (regardless of his budget or level of expertise) how to make his recordings sound like a commercial CD or how to "achieve studio quality", they are asking how to make a pro recording.

I have to respectfully disagree with this, Glen.....

The same question asked by me and asked by a high school kid with a new internet connection and a computer with a soundblaster in it can safely be considered as two entirely different questions. The knowledge and motives behind the question are completely different for me than for the kid. I know what I'm asking, and I know better how to ask what it is I really NEED to know. The kid has no clue what he is asking, and has no idea how to word his question to get what he needs.

I dont believe that in a forum of this nature we can make an assumption like that for every newbie that posts an open ended "Give me a list of everything in the whole world" question. The fact that it may be wildly entertaining for us to slam the kid with cussin and fussin and pissin and moanin doesn't justify the assumption or the initially crappy response. There is just as much validity in us trying to see it from the newbies perspective, rather than interpreting every question only from our own perspective. In our eyes, maybe that was the "real question" and it seems superficially to be a really silly thing to ask......but in his eyes he had no idea he was asking such a bittersweet question in the midst of a bunch of circling sound engineering sharks. Maybe he assumed all the bloodthirsty sharks would be hanging out at the pro forum, and this "home" recording forum was the right place to start asking.....

I figure if I dont want to be expected to respond to such silly beginner questions, then I can choose to completely ignore the question, or I can go spend all my time hanging out at the pro forum where the newbies seem to know better....

 

[brendandwyer]

Guys, Kyle duplicate posted this thread. He already got his advice from far and a few others in the Newbie section. He's probably halfway to Guitar Center to buy a new mic and some monitors. So could we maybe divert some attention away from the metaphysical masturbation and help out

this guy
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=199686

who promised someone a cd of his piano music yet can't get sonar to record. I tried to help but i don't record on computers, that's what I pay "professional" studios for.

 

[Robert D]

Chessrock has always had an edge to his witty responses that I have enjoyed, and he has given loads of great advice in these forums. I have to agree that on this occasion, a line was crossed in addressing a dumb question...... a really dumb question, followed by a dog pile.
Now let's stop compounding that with a really stupid argument over what is adequately covered by the golden rule.

Beer anyone?

 

[mrT]

Beer anyone?

Now we're talking.

Like I said before. A lot of you know your audio but are just assholes. Let's have asshole fights at the expense of other assholes and not some kid who just wanted to make a better guitar track. (which is how many of us got into all this stuff in the first place).

 

[SecondHeartbeat]

another thing you could try doing is getting a better amp. i find that halfstacks always sound better....i usualy stick 2 mics in fron of the cabinet: one per speaker.

also try messing around with the settings on your amp, pedal and guitar.

 

[Farview]

Everybody needs to just leather up. The 'kid' certainly didn't seem all that offended, at least not enough to warrant 4 pages worth of whining. He got his answers and encouragement elsewhere on the board.
I'm sure that he will live.

 

[fraserhutch]

Geezus, it totally escaped you that the use of the word "fucktard" was in fitting with the "fuck" theme????

Now I understand why you can't get our point.

and Fucktard? that's the best you got? I think you might have called me that before. It's ok though... I've been called much worse (and in real life too).

 

[mrT]

read your sig man...

 

[jonnyc]

I really just think the last two pages are a result of the relatively new mrT's love of an argument, and our willingness to keep it going. What mrT doesn't seem to realize is music is full of really colorfull characters and some answers are gonna be just plain rude. In fact I've refered to Chess as chesscock on several occasions, someone always changes it back to rock instead of cock but that's just him and his attempt to be somewhat humurous, which I found it to be. I mean if a stand up guy like Michael Jones can handle this forum with his "top-siders" and investment tips then I think anyone can.

 

[mrT]

I really just think the last two pages are a result of the relatively new mrT's love of an argument, and our willingness to keep it going. What mrT doesn't seem to realize is music is full of really colorfull characters and some answers are gonna be just plain rude.

Is this because we argued over cars? And I know music is full of characters. but come on. That was a little much. I might be new to the forum but I've been around music and recording since I was 14 and have been in love with it ever since.

In all honesty I like this forum. I read up. I post when it can help and DON'T when I can't... I see no point in being a dick just to be a dick.

btw. I got 3 positive rep points for it so I guess not everyone thought it was pointless.

As far as this thread goes...

I'm out