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Gidge by implying that because I don't agree with you on this issue that I "lick Alan's ass"is not only insulting but is very immature.It is also a statement that lacks intelligience and I expect better from you.I have always found you to be a very helpful and knowledgable member of this forum.I said right off the bat that I had no problem with you or anyone else on the forum and said that we should agree to disagree but you are either not mature or intelligent enough to see that opinions other than your own are valid.Instead of letting the matter drop you had to get off one last junior high retort that I found to be highly offensive.If I were to lick anyones ass,I can assure you that it would be someone who looks a hell of alot better than Alan in a bra and panties(no offense Alan :D).I know you don't give a rat's ass but my respect for you just dropped a shitload.Thanks Dude.

BTW,as far as kissing your ass,you'll just have to mark the spot,I think I just found out you are all ass.
 
Gidge, count me as a "one out of ten"!

How about we let the past be the past and move on?
You've been very helpful, especially with the newer members.
Alan has also meant well with his advice too.

This would be a good time to call a (non-judgmental) truce!

FWIW, both of you IMHO are a positive addition to this "cyber" club we call homerecording.com, also because you both have a
good sense of humor. The amount of effort we put into figuring
out a $50 or $100 difference in price is worth it could be put into
more productive channels like improving our understanding of
APPLYING whatever we choose to get!

Regards,
Chris

P.S. Maybe Gidge really DOES own Marshall. (just kidding!)
 
QUOTE:............"I had no idea he had a connection to the mic itself until Gidge pointed it out"

WATYF,

Do you come in here with your eyes closed? Or is this the first thread dealing with SP mics that you have read? Or maybe you are just.............

Point being, that in most threads Alan has posted in, it would be obvious to a blind dog that he has involment with SP mics.


:cool:
 
Gidge, a smiley face might have mitigated a response like Randy's
if you were just (I hope!) kidding around with your last post,
and it's style of expression. You don't really think we're ass kissers do you? Of course if it was Britney's or J-Lo's....
 
Do you come in here with your eyes closed? Or is this the first thread dealing with SP mics that you have read? Or maybe you are just.............

*sigh*

you people..... :rolleyes:

As anyone with two functioning eyes can see, I don't post here much.. and this is my first time venturing into the mic forum. (I'm usually in the MP3 clinic or the computer forum.) And as I clearly stated... this thread looked like an average joe saying he had stumbled across some great recordnigs done with a C1 mic. That's the exact impression I got,... and at first I didn't understand why people were downing him just for posting that, until Gidge said that he owned the company that made the mics. That's an honest account from someone who doesn't know s#%t about your guys' little world of flame wars and spam.

WATYF

P.S. In order to chastize someone for posting "one last junior high retort" you might want to try not ending your post with the same exact type of thing. :rolleyes:
 
You are right,I added that after I reread Gidge's post and read the part about kissing his ass.I got pissed off and added that and it was uncalled for.My bad.

By the way,I think both Alan and Gidge are assets to the forum and I don't want to see anyone leave.We aren't going to agree on everything but that is only human.Let's just agree that we disagree and move on.

Myself,I just want to hang with c7sus,his stash,and his bong!:D

Gidge,once again I am sorry if I offended.I got pissed and spoke from my ass instead of my head.Peace...
 
Quote:......"Or is this the first thread dealing with SP mics that you have read? "

WATYF,

Notice I did give you the benifit of the doubt in my questions. However, I admit my post carried some "attitude", I apologise as the attitude really should have been directed elsewhere.

Unfortunately, some people's behaviour in this matter borders on harassment, which is just as bad if not worse than the spam they are accusing Alan of, and they continue to conveniently ignore the fact that Dragon, the overall head honcho here, has chosen not to intervene..........if it's good enough for Dragon then they should let it lie.

:cool:
 
"Can't we all just get a bong....i mean ....along"


C7, i think the issue i took up with that guy was spouting off a bunch of political bullshit in the mic forum....i at no point jumped this person for attacking Alan.....i at no point defended the spamming....the whole issue at the time was Chinese microphones.....it even got to the point where this person called one of this BBS's nicest menbers (from Thialand) a mamasan-fucker......
 
i don't think i've ever seen alan post something without Gidge adding a smart ass "spam" comment to the thread. Its a homerecording.com tradition. its great entertainment

a thought...maybe gidge is the one on alan's payroll, the "good cop - bad cop" method of spamming. It always makes a Studio Projects thread swell to 10 million post's with a trillion views. hahaha

serioulsy though, i will say that I have seen gidge make several posts recomending the S P C-1 and Joe Meek equipment. he is just very passionate about what he considers spam and says so. I can respect that...like the song says " you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"

i don't give a damn whether alan is spamming or not cause he is selling a fantastic line of mics and all the accusations of sapmming and the going back and forth got my attention and in turn led me to buy a C-1 (which I love)

yeah...i have read posts by alan that border on spam...BUT...just about everything he has said is true. I have never heard him directly bash a competitor and most of the time when he says his mic will outperform "brand X" , the "brand X" mic in question is a lower priced mic that isn't even supposed to be as good as the C-1. Usually when alan makes a statement like that he follows it with "but "brand X" is a great company and they have some higher priced models that are really nice"

there is a constant barage of questions regarding joe meek and studio projects and i have yet to see one question go unanswered.....how many other companies will do that on this homerecording.com bbs? how many of you guys even know the name of another equipment companies owner?

everytime i have ever seen a problem with any studio projects piece of equipment alan has said "send it to me and i'll fix it for free"
"alan...i dropped my c-1 on a concrete floor and it broke"
SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL FIX IT FOR FREE
"alan...i was stoned and left my c-1 in the freezer for 3 days"
SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL FIX IT FOR FREE
"alan...i was trying to record the mating call of sperm whales and no-one told me the c-1 wasn't waterproof"
SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL FIX IT FOR FREE
"alan....i beat my wifes brains out with my c-1 cause she was bitching about all the time i spend in the studio....now it won't work"
SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL FIX IT FOR FREE

shit man...how many other companies are going to give you guys that kind of warranty and personal service?

its like...."hey we LOVE your mics man....we want you to answer every trivial question thats asked (and real quick...whats with this taking 2 days to answer shit), we want you to give us a total unlimited warranty......but....don't you fucking dare say you have a good mic and actually post a clip of a recording...who in the fuck do you think you are you damn spammer?!?!?!"

give the guy a break....he's making quality mics at really cheap prices and that helps us homerecorders alot
 
I stopped making Alan comments a while back and backed off for awhile....however, events in another thread got my "panties in a wad"....

im glad somebody acknowleged the frequency that i recommend Alans products.....the c1 is a great mic and i love my Joe Meek pres......i have nothing against this guy.....

there are other rep's that post here, you just may not realize it because they arent constantly promoting their products here.....

it just seems to me that if someone like Harvey Gerst says the c1 is a great mic for the price AND the owner of the company is saying it, who are you gonna believe.....thats the difference between recommendations and spam......

"i don't give a damn whether alan is spamming or not cause he is selling a fantastic line of mics and all the accusations of sapmming and the going back and forth got my attention and in turn led me to buy a C-1 (which I love) "....lots of people have great products...what if they all showed up spamming...it would be a free-for-all.....and that would be okay for you because they sell good stuff?...


i dont think just because hes here answering questions, he should be given free reign of the BBS...but as stated, i dont foot the bill......

im not flaming you....just showing you my side.....

ive heard him borderline bash competitors and make false accusations (whether on purpose or not).....

when he first arrived here, he said the Marshall MXLv67 was just an off the shelf Chinese mic identical to the same mics other people are selling...this was so untrue, and a few people called him on it.....



Harvey Gersts comments on the v67 vs. the c1:

"OK, first impressions Marshall MXL-V67G vs. Sound Projects C1

Bottom line; the'yre pretty damn close to each other in sound. The Sound Projects C1 is a little hotter (about 2 dB more output), and a little quieter (again, by about 2 dB). Overall, the frequency response is very similar, with maybe a -1dB shelf around 800 to 1,000 Hz on the Sound Projects C1. The Marshall MXL-V67G sounds slightly fuller, but again by a very small amount.

So, is there a clear-cut winner? Nope, they're both really nice mics that will do a pretty good job for vocals where you're looking for a full bodied, rich vocal sound. They're both retailing at around $300 with a street price of right around $200. The Sound Projects C1 is heavier and looks like the Brauner VM-1 mic while the Marshall MXL-V67G has a distinctive AKG C12VR look and is not quite as rugged.

They're both pretty good values for the money. "



Alans quote:
"The Marshall mic is an "off the shelf" 797 design and branded under the Marshall name. The exact same design is also branded under several different brands like ADK, Nady, Joemeek, Audix, and some other brands. With few differences, they are all the same mic sold by 797 Audio and Soundking. I am not knocking this method, but this should be known. "
"The Studio Projects mic is a custom mic, and not an off the shelf mic branded with other names and sold everywhere. This is a custom mic I designed with 797 Audio and spent months voicing it. Its design will not be found anywhere else"

Harveys response:
"Let me clarify this a little bit. According to Brent Casey at Marshall, the V67 IS basically a standard 797 model, but Brent made some significant changes; mainly specing a new output transformer that eliminates a ringing problem in the standard model, and which also provides smoother response. He also changed out the JFETS and some other components to lower the noise level significantly from the standard model. "


comment from Dolemite:
"No offense Mr. Hyatt, but I knew there was more to the Marshall line than you implied by saying that the MXL-V67 was an "off the shelf 797 design" and the "exact same design" that is used in many other brands. I don't think you meant that to be misleading but I think you'll find that a lot of us "homerec-ers" are pretty well-informed and we won't let you get away with such innaccuracies "
"I think I'm gonna go with Harvey on this one. You definitely came off like you were knocking Marshall and withholding the reality that they did improve upon the "off-the-shelf" 797 design. "


Alan:
If you like the V67, then by all means you should buy it. I am not here to change your mind, and I have never said anything bad about it, other than telling the truth of it being an off the shelf design and where it is made. What I did not know, was that it is a very old design from a long time ago. Not that that really matters, as I think if it sounds good, then it's good.



Harvey:
"But it's not "off the shelf", as delivered to Marshall. They have made some significant sonic changes to it and that's what everybody is trying to point out. As far as it being an old design, you're probably right, but then, so is a Neumann U-47. "



alan:
"I am happy to let others tout it for me, but I did not think I ever said anything about my mics personally, as I know better to keep those opinions to myself. "
(that sounds funny now, doesnt it)


Alan:
"I guess I should have said it is an improved off the shelf mic. "



Harvey:
"That woulda worked far better. "


Alan:
"I do not knock products down, and I do not hype mine up. Do not come looking for me to bone up and give opinions on this group, because as soon as I do, someone will be jumping down my throat. If you want my opinion that bad, email me, and if you do, the private conversation we have better not show up on these pages. "
(what happened to that promise)


keep in mind that all this was said a year ago.....spam takes a long time to come around.....
 
jimistone said:

"alan...i was trying to record the mating call of sperm whales and no-one told me the c-1 wasn't waterproof"
SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL FIX IT FOR FREE

Send it to me, and I will fix it for free, however, please wipe it off before you send it! :D :D :D

Thank Jimi !

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
Gidge said:


when he first arrived here, he said the Marshall MXLv67 was just an off the shelf Chinese mic identical to the same mics other people are selling...this was so untrue, and a few people called him on it.....

This was a true statement, because 797 were building them in 1999, and up till maybe just a year or so ago. With all due respect to Harvey, I was at the factory and saw the Marshall’s come off the line. I know what I saw, and I called it as I saw it. It was some several months after I made those comments when they started to be built at Fielo, (SE Electronics), when (Marshall) started to make changes to the standard off the shelf mic.

Hey, I am glad they finally did, but when I made all those posts...THEY DID NOT. It was just a standard mic off the shelf; I was there, so I know!!! I have photos of them and other Marshall models in front of Mr. Yang the owner of 797 but I have never put them up for viewing. I think that would be unprofessional, but if you ever want to see them, come to a trade show and I will let you see them. Or I will show Harvey. Since then, the V67 has been taken elsewhere to build and were changed, so I told the truth whether you want to believe it or not.

The long and short of this is enough is enough and it is just now better to let the individual group members to decide what is, or what is not. The people here are adults; they don't need you or me as a moderator. For most purposes, this group is pretty civil. We all know a few of you don't like my posts, so don't read them, and don't respond to them, because when you do, it starts a flame just like this one and the majority want to read my posts. If HR wants me off, they would have said so. I feel bad for Weston having to deal with this crap. He is a great Moderator who lets people speak their mind. This is rare and yet wonderful. I tried to advertise with HR, they never responded to my e-mails, so they know I am here. You know as everyone else knows they read all my posts, but I am still here. I contribute!

Let’s let the people on this group be adults and make their decisions on their own. Everyone knows every time a Marshall thread is posted, they will see your name come up which is fine. They can decide what to do with your information, just as they can mine.

You said I am "probably" using other names and starting these SP Spam threads, and how great it would be to trace the IP addresses back to me. Quite frankly, I object to that accusation, but why not do the research and come back to the group with the results. Of course when you do, be ready to humble yourself because you will never find one. I tell the truth. Some people can handle it, others can't...you can't.

You and a few others here can prevent all of this flame shit, by just not throwing all the digs in after each post I make. The good people here do not need to be reminded to do their homework. This is not elementary school. They will read what they want to read and make a decision when they want to. HR does not seem to object to me, the readers have said they want me here and like my posts, so if this is getting old as you claim, then it can be stopped.

I will no longer reply to you because you and I just do not gel. Thank you for your prior kind words on SP and Meek, but it is better for me to not to have dealings with you, and it is better for you to stop the digs after each post I make. We tried twice to make peace Gidge, and yet each time we do, you just continued to post your digs again, so I have no interest in making peace with you again. I will not comment on your posts, and hope you do not comment on mine.

I hope this can be the last time this kind of thing happens, because it takes away from the real reason everyone is here. Let this now be over, and let the group move on. They know what is best for them.


Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
 
Just for the record, I have seen Alan suggest other mics than his own. There was a post that asked for a mic specifically for acoustic guitar, and he didn't even talk about the C1... or the C3... or the T3. Instead, he taked about a Sony small-diaphram condenser mic.

If he was spamming this message board, I highly doubt that he would have suggested that mic.
 
when you made that statement on June 11, 2001 on this BBS, it was not an "off the shelf" mic.....i dont think it ever was.....the MXL2001 might have been, but not the v67.....
 
Gidget get off Alan's fucking case already. It's gotten real old. He's not spamming and I never seen an instance in which he has. Alan goes the extra mile to make sure his customers are happy. He is a very valuable asset to this board....you...I'm not so certain.
 
what more info do you need about the C1...its a great mic for cheap.....

when Alan sticks to his promises he made in those quotes, ill back off....
 
c7sus said:
It's kinda funny how folks say they will defend your right to say something even if they disagree with it........... until you actually say something they disagree with...............

Just my .02


True....True....
 
Gidge said:
what more info do you need about the C1...its a great mic for cheap.....

when Alan sticks to his promises he made in those quotes, ill back off....

I wish you well in your righteous crusades against the subliminal spams of evil that Alan has so masterly planted in his posts. You sir, are the last American boyscout.


But why not spend your time on something more productive, like continuing to refine your exceptional double standards. I absolutely love how in one post you claim to be a christian and a few threads later your posting your favorite porn stars with the best of them. You sir, are an inspiration for all of us to admire.

Stop worrying about Alan and concentrate on your own faults.
 
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