Buy now or wait !!!!!!

[Middleman]

I'm with Chessrock. Hold out for the RNP and a C1. Light years beyond the VTB-1 and DMP3. This will put your recordings just a notch below a good studio sound.

I have the DMP3 and it provides great results, very clean but I have heard the RNP and its up there, if not beyond, the Grace 101 IMHO.

Waiting another 60-90 days for exceptional equipment versus using subpar stuff that you will have to live with for awhile will make you happier. Trust me. I have bought inexpensive before, ended up dumping my stuff on ebay to get money back to buy the better stuff later.

 

[alanhyatt]

I suppose you have some samples to post then, comparing the three. I'd be interested to hear. The only real examples I heard were posted in the rack forum not too long ago, and if I recall, most couldn't even tell the difference between the ab and the vtb1 . . . except for the exaggerated bass response I noticed from the vtb1. Also, I've been noticing Fletcher doesn't seem to have much good to say about it.

Otherwise, quit recommending that piece of junk.

Its good to be back from the UK where we have just opened up PMI Audio Group UK, and I still see Chessrock spewing out the "Down with the VTB-1" Spam. I am glad to see some things never change.

I have a question for you C-Rock, do you ask other people to eat your food before you eat it, or maybe ask them to see clips from movies before you go see them? I like how you put it,"The only real examples I heard were posted in the rack forum not too long ago". Hey, get off your butt and use one. We all know you are on a personal crusade to put down the VTB-1, but while you are at it, tell the people that you put it down to, that you have actually never used one in a real application, and all you can really do is guess.

And there you go bringing up the Fletcher thing. Are you like sucking his thing or something, or have pictures of him on your wall? Fletcher is like everybody else...another man with an opinion. It's his experience that makes him good, and believe me, if he had to track an entire session with a B1, or C1 and a VTB-1, the results would be magic. So do us all a favor and leave Fletcher out of this...He has his reasons for doing and saying what he says. He is one of only two RNP dealers in the Country!!!!

I will say it again, the VTB-1 is $179.00 freakin dollars! Not bad for that money, not the best, and by far, not the worst... So shut the Fu*k up already...

I think Darrin knows better than you what he likes, and at least he has personal knowledge of the three products he "IS" using... No one here is bashing the AB or other boxes...Lighten up a bit, its like yours is the only opinion out there.

 

[chessparov]

"piece of junk". Hey I resemble that remark!

Appreciate the offer Chessrock, however...
The best way to effectively compare these pre's, short of being
right there, is to have a REAL pro do the comparisons in a
professional studio yada, yada yada, then create a CD shoot-out
comparison.
Having someone like myself offer "evidence" is like O.J. using
a law student for "The Trial of the Century".
So if the analogy is fit, you must acquit!

Harvey has mentioned that this pre has its place in a good studio,
so that's a good start.

Chris

 

[chessparov]

Alan, now tell him how you REALLY feel.

Fletcher seems like a great guy, and by all accounts a fine
engineer. I think sometimes there is a "time" issue with
becoming familiar with different equipment for someone
like that also. They're so busy actually recording music rather
than picking apart equipment that their mental focus is
different. It's unlikely to hear that someone like Dave Martin
from Nashville doing 14+ hours days recording cares that much
how much a VTB-1 is better than the DMP3.
Oddly enough, I'm not in that situation.

Chris

 

[littledog]

Should I marry the beautiful blonde with the perfect tits, or the homely broad with money who's good in bed? How the hell should I know?-Richie

Since we're not talking one night stand here, I think I'd want to know which one had the better sense of humor...

 

[darrin_h2000]

Dont worry Chess, you are ok, you just are listening to the reviews from persons that may stand to lose alot from giving a good one, I dont blame fletcher for protecting his ass.

When I did a comparason with the M-audio Tampa and the dmp-3 (I also heard an Amec Pure Channel, VC1Q). In the tube off position the VTB1 was clearer, the tampa was more noisy than the DMP-3, which is noisier than My Yamaha MLA-7. But I was looking for some color and The amek won this one, but the VTB-1 had settings that really fit the bill.


Sometime when you come down from Chi town and visit KC theres a great store here that has all of these peices so you can see for yourself,

Wayne

 

[mixmkr]

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>>>Should I marry the beautiful blonde with the perfect tits, or the homely broad with money who's good in bed? How the hell should I know?-Richie
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>>>Since we're not talking one night stand here, I think I'd want to know which one had the better sense of humor...

wouldn't you want to know if her twin sister was kinky too?

 

[Middleman]

darrin_h2000

What store would that be? I will be in KC in a few weeks with some time to kill.

 

[chessrock]

do you ask other people to eat your food before you eat it, or maybe ask them to see clips from movies before you go see them?

Damn straight. Please see: www.metromix.com and/or www.moviefone.com

while you are at it, tell the people that you put it down to, that you have actually never used one in a real application, and all you can really do is guess.

I already did. I'm merely trying to hold Darrin and Chessparov accountable to the same methodology (i.e. using it on a recording).

Are you like sucking his thing or something, or have pictures of him on your wall?

I've seen the movie Fletch a couple times (I'm a Chevy Chase fan). I like to lurk around his forum now and then. I took down his mural the other day, though. The girls thought it was creepy.

He has his reasons for doing and saying what he says. He is one of only two RNP dealers in the Country!!!!

Two totally different products targeted to two very different markets. I've heard the guy sing the praises of the sytek on more than one occasion. And that one I do consider to be a direct competitor (anyone thinking of buying two RNP's should really be looking at the sytek as well).

I will say it again, the VTB-1 is $179.00 freakin dollars! Not bad for that money, not the best, and by far, not the worst... So shut the Fu*k up already...

Interesting. But I think most of us are already aware of that, and it isn't what we're currently discussing.

at least he has personal knowledge of the three products he "IS" using...

That's what I'm questioning. I don't consider hearing something at a music store to be direct experience. At least not with mic pres. The differences between preamps are just waayy too subtle for that, and that's what I'm trying to say more than anything. I'm not turing this in to an m-audio versus SP war here. Never said the VTB1 wasn't all that and a bag of chips. It might be for all I know. I'm merely saying that I don't have enough experience to make these kinds of claims.

And neither do Darrin or Chessparov.

But they should if they're going to go around this forum using language like "by far" the better pre, etc. I think my offer of $100 if they can back their statements up objectively is a more than generous offer. And I think it proves that I'm keeping an open enough mind, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Tom Cram]

Jeez...

And there you go bringing up the Fletcher thing. Are you like sucking his thing or something, or have pictures of him on your wall?

So shut the Fu*k up already...

Wow! Uh, wow... Mr. Hyatt, President of PMI, top representative of your company, sir you may want to see if you can get your last post deleted. It's more than a little embarassing.

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-

 

[knownuttin]

Probably good advice, Tom. However, from my perspective I'm thrilled that such a person/figure is willing to speak with such, um....candor, in any public forum. Now he gets to pay for the inconveniences attending too much liberty.
-kent

 

[Tom Cram]

Now he gets to pay for the inconveniences attending too much liberty.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Excellent!!!

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson-

 

[knownuttin]

Yeah, I forget where that came from.
-kent

 

[alanhyatt]

Alan, now tell him how you REALLY feel.

Chris

I guess I did.

Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I was real tired when I got back from the UK yesterday, so if I pissed you off C-Rock... Sorry! I was just damn tired of seeing the same old posts.

The fact is, we all have to get real here for a bit. Fletcher and Humbucker are the only two dealers for the RNP in the country. What the heck is Fletcher going to say. Uhhh, wait a minute here, this VTB-1 is not bad and less than half the price!!!!

So, I expected him to say what he said, yet on the other hand, way too many very qualified people have said great things on the VTB-1. My point is, it is a great unit for the money. It is not a piece of junk and C-Rock can believe what ever he wants to, but as he has never used it, why bash it. Samples are not an indication of how a unit will sound in someone elses studio, and you never know how someone recorded them.

peace all

 

[Treeline]

I'm buying one.

 

[chessparov]

I was Fletch's lung(!) in one of the Chevy Chase movies.
Paid $100 to have an X-Ray of my lung used in the film where he has the
scene with a doctor. Wasn't a speaking role though!

If Fletcher ever sees this post, he'll probably get a kick out of Alan's colorful
linguistic style anyway. Could we expect less from someone gifted with
profound profanity? BTW, the ONLY digital recorder that Fletcher thinks
that he likes is the RADAR 24 going for about $5,000!
(don't even ask about 24/96 Pro Tools!)

Looking at how various audio devices become "studio standards",
like a Shure SM57 for example, it will probably be the preponderance of
use by home and professional studios that will ultimately give any product
the stamp of approval for the value it provides. Not so much any individual
testing, other than to get the ball rolling for general awareness.

IMHO, any testimonies by amateurs like myself can at most be considered
"compelling" evidence, rather than proof beyond reasonable doubt.
The main benefit from someone getting a head's up is to expand their
ability to make an intelligent choice of what's out there.
As long as audio products are bought from reputable dealers who have a
liberal return policy, what's the big deal anyway?
All part of the home recordist's learning experience.

Chris

P.S. Hard to say which is the most riveting show, "The Sopranos", "24",
or "PMI Chicago"? (and the winner for Outstanding Drama is...)

 

[chessrock]

It is not a piece of junk and C-Rock can believe what ever he wants to, but as he has never used it, why bash it.

And I apologize for making that comment. Put in the proper context, my reason for calling it junk was to make a point to a couple of your supporters here; a few were saying your pre "smokes" others, or that another competing pre "can't lick/shine the boots" of your pre. These are quotes, mind you. And when I hear that kind of talk, I'm going to ask that they back their statements up with more than just listening tests at a Music store.

The last time I did a comparison between two pres, I had to listen to the samples over and over and over again before I could get a feel for the subtle impressions/textures each one imparted. I then had to plug in several different mics before I finally concluded that pre A was better with dynamic mics, yet pre B seemed to be a better match for the condensers.

And I had to listen back on several different playback systems just to check my conclusions, and at times, my opinion would change depending on what I was listening back on.

This is just one example, mind you, but it isn't at all uncommon.

So I apologize, but I had to say something to your buddies when they concluded that something was "far superior" to something else after hearing it at a music store. That just doesn't fly with me. It's just as bad as me calling something "a piece of junk" without ever owning it or recording with it. So it goes both ways, here, Alan.

It had very little to do with your product. I should have stuck to their methodology and not brought Fletcher's opinions in to the forray. They're irelevent to the matter at hand.

Take care.

 

[Michael Jones]

YAAAAAAWN!!!!

 

[christiaan]

Yeah.. Tell me guys. Why aren't you recording?

 

[chessrock]

Yeah.. Tell me guys. Why aren't you recording?

Why aren't you?

I want to hear more about chess' famous lung.