Beringer's eurorack and eurodesk mixers

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wilkee said:
The reason we probably hear more about the Berry failures is no doubt due to the number of units they actually sell.
(I own 4 of the Fu**ers)

Tony

I agree completely... they sell like crazy... of course some aren't going to work. I have 3 behringer mixers... Two baby UB802 mixers... and one giant MX3282A. That thing rocks! Keep in mind Behringer copies almost everything they make. Not just the looks, but the circuitry and everything. There is no way they could actualy invent all the products they have come out with recently, and been able to sell so many of them. They copy big name equipment. They cannot be that bad.
 
Toss a match...

I'm looking at 24 channel live mixers and keep coming back to Carvin - same price as a Yamaha, 24 XLR preamps (not 16), rugged, US made. Wish I could test drive one or find a way to do an A/B comparison.
 
AFXSguy said:
I agree completely... they sell like crazy... of course some aren't going to work.

Watching TV recently you find the mixers cropping up at all sorts of places. I saw a Berry DJ mixer being used at a West Indian test cricket match (the Windies V Engeeerland) and a UB24 in use at a hospital radio station.

Its a pity they are not 3 times the price then we prols. would not use them but the PRO's !!! would be happier.

Tony
 
It's sometimes true that the price can imply the quality ... that's why one or two people bash the Chinese-made mics that produce such good results now. The difference is that whilst they're comparing to top-end stuff like Neumann, I'm comparing Behris to similar-price alternatives when I say they ain't great value.

I don't think it's that the designs are bad, but they do look like cheap knock-offs executed badly ... I won't turn my nose up if it's good though ... value to the user is never a monetary figure ...
 
noisedude said:
I don't think it's that the designs are bad, but they do look like cheap knock-offs executed badly ... I won't turn my nose up if it's good though ... value to the user is never a monetary figure ...

I disagree, for the price I think that they built to standards way beyond what we should expect.

If I was a full time pro then I would probably purchase more up-market gear but for now the berry stuff does its job perfectly.

Tony
 
Well I guess that to you its value is higher than its monetary cost ... I know I wouldn't swap my £200 Burns Marquee for an £800 Strat ...
 
noisedude said:
Well I guess that to you its value is higher than its monetary cost ... I know I wouldn't swap my £200 Burns Marquee for an £800 Strat ...

Thats my point, if your Burns had a shit sound or bad fret rattle etc. then it would be poor value even at £200.

My wife has a little Skoda Fabia, it pisses over all other super-mini's but its got that little Skoda badge on the front so its got to be shit!!

Tony
 
Sure. But to my mind the Behringer mixers don't have such a status now because better is available for the money. If a Mercedes A-Class was available for the money you spent on your VW ... I mean, Skoda ... then you would buy it - but not because Mercedes was a better name ... just because it was a better car.
 
noisedude said:
If a Mercedes A-Class was available for the money you spent on your VW ... I mean, Skoda ... then you would buy it - but not because Mercedes was a better name ... just because it was a better car.

We thought about an "A class" (she was downsizing from a Audi A4) but the Skoda had better build?.

I disagree about better mixers being available for the money but as I have a very limited experience of other gear you could well be right.

Tony
 
Fair enough bout the Skoda!! I drive an H-reg Polo so I'm not about to start throwing car advice around ... yet ...

There wasn't better available the Behringer til Yamaha took one steady aim and blew them out of the water. They provide the Mackie standard without the frankly silly Mackie pricetag.

Anyway ... I'm not sure there's much further we can get in this debate now!!
 
Except maybe to say ...

We should all remember this.

15-20 years ago there was no such thing a mixer with

xlrs on every channel
phantom power-switchable or otherwise
metering
direct outs for each channel
inserts on each channel
stereo subgroups
more than two aux sends
stereo aux returns
a solo section
multiple outputs
and other things I've probably forgotten

In a box you could carry with one hand. Anywhere. For any price. At that point you had a choice. Buy a mixer with all those features or buy a car. Or a house. And don't forget the truck to move it with.

Ditto for multitracks. And power amps. And mics. And guitars. The list goes on. Pro audio used to be so far out of reach for normal people pricewise that 5 people would have been on these forums instead of thousands. We are all very lucky people to live in a time where we can even be having these discussions. I remember being blown away that you could get a Tascam four track cassette recorder for "only" about a grand.

Say what you want about Greg Mackie but his impact on the audio world cannot be overstated. His mixers were something noone had ever seen, never mind their price point. And they were dirt cheap. Even now- $1300US list for a 1604-VLZ pro? The guy should get a medal. And that concept has reached all areas of audio. Mackie gear is still budget gear, just remember that. A few years ago it still would have been budget gear at twice the price. And still a good bargain because it was the only real semi-pro choice.

Thousands of people, some of them now very famous, can realize their artistic visions in a way impossible a short time ago. And be part of an industry that was very small due to the incrdible expense of good gear. Or any gear.

I'm a fan of cheap gear, too. Money is expensive. I have some berry gear. Can't beat the bang for the buck. And I do think that Mackie QC has gone down. VLZ-pro stuff seems to be the first series with problems. Market pressure isn't always a good thing.

I know I sound like a dinosaur, "you kids don't know how good you've got it", but to hear someone say Mackie's prices are silly just ignores way too much history for me to let it pass.
 
Behringer effects hiss

Chill:

If your Behringer effects sound hissy, there is a remedy The UB-FX mixers have three separate volume controls and a separate LED meter for the effects (it runs vertically along the left edge of the effects patch number display and is part of the patch display unit).

(1) Each channel has an effects send (level)

(2) There is a (master) effects/aux send control. Consider this a master-PRE send.

(3) There is a (master) effects/aux return control. Consider this a master-POST send.


Behringer recommends that your effects send signal should be hot enough to occassionally peak the effects LED on loud signals. Adjusting your FX/AUX master send and return pots, along with the individual channel send, might allow you to reduce or acceptably eliminate hiss from the effects.


Check out the FAQ on the Behringer website.


Good luck,
Paj
8^)
 
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