Behringer B5 mic

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DJL said:
freshmattyp, do you ever have anything useful or nice to say, no pics either I bet. :p

I've got plenty of pictures of my kid, but none of mics I don't own or plan on owning.

I've got plenty of nice, informative things to say. Just not to you. (Note the lack of smiley to connote a serious tone)

Peace, Y'all.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
...Let me state something as "possible facts": You have taken on singlehandedly, the task of damaging the reputation of PMI (and Alan Hyatt specifically) as much as you possibly can. Further, you have absolutely no intention of ever buying any of PMI's products, either now, or in the future. Your single purpose in these threads is not to gather information about their products to help you make an informed buying decision, but to gather evidence against them to discredit them in any way you can. Those are my "possible facts".

As to why you're doing it, I'll leave that to others to speculate...
You know DJL, Harvey makes a good point here. Just as an observer, it does cause me to wonder about the high percentage of SP content in your post here as opposed to other manufacturers.

I’ve not heard you refer to Nady, MXL, Oktava, CAD, Rode, SE, Cascade, Behringer, or even Radio Shack mics as “crap” although their price/quality ratio has, up until now, been below that of SPs. I’ve never heard you complain about things like some of these mics having a lousy 5 cent output transformer (Scott Dorsey said you couldn’t even get and audio frequency square wave through them) giving them a dull lifeless sound, Oktava’s poor qc and poor components, or CAD’s tremendous current drain, let alone things like Rode quietly switching to an el-cheapo NT1 capsule once all their reviews were out.

Some of these companies are putting out better stuff for less money now, but it’s only because they have to compete with companies like SP. So thanks to people like Alan, all of us bottom feeders get to reap the benefits, even if we don't buy his products.

Until Marshall lowered the price of the V67G and it started going for $79 on eBay, there wasn’t a mic on the face of the earth that could touch the quality of the SP-B1 for $79! And save for the V67, and maybe the MK319 when it’s on sale and you can find a good one, there still isn’t anything even in the ballpark. I just recently discovered that the B1 uses the same capsule as the MXL 2003, which still sells for twice as much! Also, the B1’s circuit, though not the same, is equal or perhaps even better in quality.

I know you’ve got some real nice mics (like I wish I could afford ;) ), and like Harvey said, I seriously doubt you’ll ever buy anything from SP, so why are you so curious about them and not any of the other countless mics out there? Why don’t you ever ask Behringer to post pics of their circuit boards, call Oktava crap due to their poor qc, or complain about CADs drawing a ton of current?

Like freshmattyp said, we really don’t know a thing about you, who you work for, who you do business with on the side, or anything. For all we know Behringer or some other mic company is paying you to come here and insinuate negative things toward PMI. Believe me, companies have stooped to lower things! I’m certainly NOT accusing you of this (I said “for all we know…”), but the evidence really stacks up against you sometimes because you never appear to be biased against anyone else. Let’s face it, lot’s of people don’t like SP mics, but they don’t get on here and rag Alan like you do. Again I’m only talking about appearances here, so don’t take this the wrong way. Are you even aware you’re being viewed in this manner? I seriously don’t know if you do or not.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying you shouldn’t complain about things not being a good deal or point out flaws, but give the other manufactures equal billing in this area.

Just a little friendly advice: Never, I repeat, NEVER expect to learn from other people when you approach them negatively. You have to befriend them, be very considerate and give them time and space to answer you. If they don’t, then making demands only drives them farther away. Also, learning from people is a great way to make friends, and in my experience, the friendships become much more valuable then any of the things you learn. People are just way more important than stuff. :)
 
freshmattyp said:
I've got plenty of pictures of my kid...
I've seen them and they look an awful lot like my kid. I wonder if they're the same kid, or if you just got a cheap imitation of my kid from the Behringer Insemination Company? :D
 
crazydoc said:
I've seen them and they look an awful lot like my kid. I wonder if they're the same kid, or if you just got a cheap imitation of my kid from the Behringer Insemination Company? :D
LOL!
 
crazydoc said:
I've seen them and they look an awful lot like my kid. I wonder if they're the same kid, or if you just got a cheap imitation of my kid from the Behringer Insemination Company? :D

That's some seriously funny shit. :D :D :D
 
So, nice try... some of you were almost able to shift the subject of the thread from about the B5 and C4 to an attack DJL thread... nice try, but it's not going to work this time.

So, all we really know is both the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 look very much like each other, and they both have the interchangeable capsules, and they both have the pad/filter switch, and they are both made by 797 Audio in China, and they may or may not be pretty much the same mic. I can live with that.

That doesn't mean that I don't think crazydoc's idea wasn't good... because I too, think it would be interesting to find out more about these two mics and see pictures of the insides and etc. But, oh well... maybe someday someone who owns one or both of the mics will post the pics and etc... until then I'm done with this thread.
 
All things considered, I'm gonna have to guess that DJ is right on this one, paranoia and conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

Given that neither Alan nor Brent have really come to their defense here (though they could be busy actually working), that both mics are manufactured by the same company, and that Behringer has the reputation for ripping off the designs of other's products, I'll bet the B5 is a C4 clone with very minor variations. Of couse, these variations could make a greater difference sonically, and QC is probably much better on SP's part.

Time will tell.
 
<Given that neither Alan nor Brent have really come to their defense here (though they could be busy actually working),>

I think they are in Britain now.
 
Crazy,

Alan did answer this on the first page of this thread and the truth has been stated in one form or another long before DJ decided to contribute his view. It was never a secret or conspiracy from the time the B5 first appeared.............unless of course it suits someone's agenda to imply said conspiracy.

BTW, Marik is correct in that Alan is probably in britain on business by now.



:cool:
 
<Alan did answer this on the first page of this thread and the truth has been stated in one form or another long before>

Ausrock,

Thank you for reminding this. No, I am serious. After such a long and entertaining discussion, I completely forgot that Alan actually answered this question explicitely.

BTW, my interest in seeing these mics' insides is purely 'scientific' and has nothing to do with "what clone it is". I like to know what makes things work one or another way. I just cannot use anything unless I know EXACTLY how this thing works or how to make it better. I took apart my first alarm-clock when I was 5 and since then never grew.... :)
 
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The truth is we will NEVER know what really went on behind closed doors in China regarding the C4 and the B5.

I have stated before that the time for the West to worry is when they turn their attention to real R & D. Remember Japan, they were a joke in the early sixties, Shit motorbikes, Cheap radio's etc. etc.

I have used the B5 and I am very happy with its performance for the use that I purchased it.

Remember I use them live on stage so the fact that they will be within spitting distance of all the "mad axe men and animal drummers" makes a BIG difference as to what I use.

I
 
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ausrock said:
Crazy,

Alan did answer this on the first page of this thread and the truth has been stated in one form or another long before DJ decided to contribute his view.
I realise Alan has an answer on the first page, but it is not an answer that is very definitive, being sort of second hand information. I know if I were Alan I'd've had that B5 apart on my bench lickety-split to see WTF was going on.
Again, I'm not saying they're the same mic, but I'll bet they're really similar, with close to the same pc board and components.

Marik said:
I took apart my first alarm-clock when I was 5 and since then never grew.... :)

Hey, so did I! I'll bet the difference is that you got yours back together again. :)
 
At this point... I don't think if really matters what anyone thinks or says about the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 being the same mic or not unless they post pictures of the two mics openned up side by side supporting their claim. Until then, I bet crazydoc is right.
 
Looks like you have some sadistic tendencies. C'mon, give us a clue.
 
You guys make me laugh, this is all very entertaining. I will clear one thing up for certain for all of you. Alan is in the UK and he's been there since last Sunday, and he was very upset about having to miss the Super Bowl because of his departure time and believe me he loves football.
 
hey justin

can you tell alan i'll not be seeing him at sounds expo? i got my pass the other day but unfortunately my cards are maxed out so i can't afford the train from the other end of the country! what else is he doing in the country and will it all be in london/torquay?

nik
 
Noise, I'll pass along the unfortunate news, the small shows are always the best. As for Alan he is in Tourqay hanging out with Allen Bradford and Malcolm Toft, they recently finished putting together our equipment display racks (had to convert them all from 115v to 230v as they will be staying there from now on) and also taking care of business for the UK office. And I've heard they made a couple of changes to the compressor of the upcoming ThreeQ that I'm looking forward to hearing. The three of them will be heading up to London on Monday to meet with some solicitors and then off to the Sounds Expo show to set up. Then I believe he stays in London to visit dealers and have some more meetings with solicitors and back to the US on the 16th.

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<-- whoa look at that 50 posts in 3 years not bad!
 
small shows? LOL sounds expo is one of our biggies over here, there's only music live in birmingham off the top of my head that has such high profile!

it's a double shame cos i was working on blagging a B1 to show me the error of my ways in having bought an SE electronics one a couple of weeks ago (which i am increasingly unconvinced by, incidentally! :( )
 
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