AT 4040 vs 4033

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Before I ask any questions I just wanted to comment on what an amazing source of information these boards are. I have been digging through posts and threads for a while here and always come away buzzing with new information. So a big thank you from all of the folks who I know lurk around here but never post anything.

And now on to business. I'm a singer/songwriter looking to put together a SMALL budget home studio. I'll be recording with my computer (Dell, 1.3 Ghz, 256MB RAM) via a M-Audio USB Duo. No other external pre's or the like, at least not for now. I am hoping to spend no more than $400 on microphones, although if push comes to shove, I could maybe spring for something a little more if it would be a very solid investment. If I can spend less, fantastic.

I'm going to be recording my vocals (high bari/low tenor with a broad dynamic range), guitar (Taylor 714), and baby grand piano (which is pretty mellow in character). I've gone back and forth on getting a few different cheaper Chinese-made mics for a few specific applications, or spending a little more one just one or two more expensive, non-Chinese mics. I am very intrigued by the AT 40 line, and am thinking pretty seriously about either the 4033 or the 4040. I've read a lot on these boards about these two mics individually, but didn't ever manage to come up with a direct comparision between the two mics. From what I've been able to gather, it seems that the 4033 has a bit of a boost in the mids that for some things is great, and for other things is not so great, while the 4040 may work better on a variety of sources due to a flatter response. The 4033 seems to have a larger fan base, while the 4040 may be a little underrated. Is that generally right? Anyone with experience care to make an observation on the two of them? If this is the case, my guess is that the 4040 would be better for me, due to the diversity of sources that I'd like to record cheaply, and the fact that if I'm using a mic with a notable boost in the mids on multiple sources, the end result is going to magnify that effect to the level where it is no longer pleasing. Is this right? Should I be looking at something entirely different fromt he AT 40 line? Any other brilliant ideas? I'm all ears.

Just a bit more general info: I am new to the whole recording thing, but am very experienced with music in general. I've played piano since I was four, was raised in a musical household, and was a music major in college. So while I don't have any background with regards to recording, I do feel that I have the ears to appreciate the difference in quality between budget mics that just get the job done and a higher quality mic that can only be had at a greater price.

If a recording or two of some of the stuff that I've done would be helpful in answering these questions, let me know, and I'll see what I can do.
 
ticohans said:
From what I've been able to gather, it seems that the 4033 has a bit of a boost in the mids that for some things is great, and for other things is not so great, while the 4040 may work better on a variety of sources due to a flatter response. The 4033 seems to have a larger fan base, while the 4040 may be a little underrated. Is that generally right?

That sounds about right.

Also, if you're going to be recording all kinds of different instruments / sources, you should consider picking up something else to compliment it.

For someone just starting out, I'd recommend picking up one Large Diaphragm Condenser -- the 4040 being an excellent choice by the way -- a pair of small diaphragm condensers like the Oktava MK012 or Marshall MXL 603, and a Shure SM-57.

If cost is an issue and you'd prefer picking up one or two mics at a time, then I'd start out with the Large Diaphragm Condenser or the SM-57, perhaps, and work your way up from there. Your idea of picking up something more on the neutral side to start with is a sound one -- very good logic on that.
 
I've never used a 4040, but have a couple 4033's -

However, simple math says the 4040 is about 7 better than the 4033....LOL


Anybody know how to decipher the AT #'s? What do they mean exactly?

I spent half a day trying to find out what the p48 meant on my Neumann.......


NL5
 
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I'd agree with the advice on the AT4040, Oktava MK012 and Shure SM57. That's some big bang and quality for a home rec'er.
 
Particularly the piano, you may be wanting to record it with more than one mic. A baby grand is so physically large that there is in most rooms no place to put just one mic and not be getting an exaggerated representation of just one part of its character.
 
Where can I pick up the Octava's? Ebay? Guitar Center -they used to sell them, right?

Are the Octava's better than the MXL 603's?

Thanks for the advice. What's a fair price to pay for a used 4040?
 
I've been looking for an at4040 on the used market for a while now, and I'm about to give up and just buy one new. They pop up on ebay now and then, but they usually end up going for only $20-$30 less than they cost brand new, and that just doesn't seem worth it to me. They are a fairly new model in the AT line, so it's difficult to find them at pawn shops or used music stores. If you look around you can find places where you can order them brand new for about $250.
 
I love the AT4033 for acoustics guitar. It has a certain color that really makes it shine. Also, since the AT4040 is somewhat neutral, it might be a better idea to find a mic that colors your voice good. SP C1 if you want bright, MXL V67 if you need a darker.

Something similiar to this. Hopefully you can get the chance to try some of these mics out.

Danny
 
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