Are the Mackie HR824's now made in China?

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Define "made".

Thy are probably assembled in China. But the key parts from which it's assembled are not necessaily manufactured in China.

It's just like my Chevy Impala. It's assembled in Mexico from parts made in the US and Canada.

There is not all that much of complex design and heavy cost that is actually assembled in the United States any more. It's actually cheaper in many cases to ship the parts from the US to another country, assemble the final product there, and then ship the assembled unit back to the States than it is to just assemble them here.

From a sonic standpoint and a construction quality standpoint it's irrelevant. This guy is just trying to put a positive sales spin on the fact that his monitors are a few years old.

G.
 
Who cares where it's made...its a Mackie, not some fake Chinese brand.
 
mackie has moved all production of its complete line to china. No more made in usa only on the design stage now. + they are being distributed by st. louis music (crate,ampeg) so there will definately be some problems in the future. There had already been problems getting mackie products and its bound to get worse. They may still assemble a few speaker cabs here in the us but everything else is made by small hands in a land far away.
 
Myriad_Rocker said:
Whoa there. I was just asking. ;)

No no..not you. there are many others who hate chinese made speakers in this board..
 
Last I checked, Mackie's speaker contract was still with RCF which means the drivers will remain Italian. I can not say for sure what has been going into the studio monitors though.
 
eh...everything's made in china

seriously, they have like a quarter of the population of the world over there. any product on the market anywhere in the world that requires more than a couple of parts/pieces is going to have chinese fingerprints on it somewhere
 
Ironklad Audio said:
eh...everything's made in china

seriously, they have like a quarter of the population of the world over there. any product on the market anywhere in the world that requires more than a couple of parts/pieces is going to have chinese fingerprints on it somewhere
And this is so sad...

About the Mackies, I would get the USA ones if I could.
I suspect they are much more reliable than the chineese ones.
 
TheDewd said:
And this is so sad...

About the Mackies, I would get the USA ones if I could.
I suspect they are much more reliable than the chineese ones.

How are they more reliable? Give me your straight terms.
 
studiomaster said:
How are they more reliable? Give me your straight terms.
It is a known FACT that USA, JAPANEESE and EUROPEAN workmanship is of better quality than Chineese workmanship.
Wherever I look, the failure rate seems to skyrocket when there is a "made in china" sticker on something.
 
Everybody keeps using the word "made" without making any distinction about what that actually means. xstatic seems to be the only one here to understand the distinction between "fabricated" and "assembled". The parts from which the monitors are "made", e.g. the cones, the crossover networks, the power switches, the voice coils, etc. are neither designed nor fabricated in China. The drivers come from Italy. I'll bet even money that the power switches come from Korea. Perhaps the cabinet itself is manuafctured in the States, though that is probably also done in a low labor-cost country. It could be anywhere from El Salvador to the Belgian Congo, who knows?

Perhaps some of the solid state circuit components (e.g. resistors, capaciters, diodes) may be locally-supplied, but I'll bet that even China imports most of those from Taiwan, Korea, or Singapore. They almost certainly don't come from the US; and that's true for every brand of electronics out there, no matter how USA-sounding their name; there are very few solid-state component manufacturers in the Staes any more.

The point is that stuff these days is assembeled in a certain location, but that location is almost always entirely different - and usually half-way around the globe - from where it's component parts are fabricated. And even more so, it's only rarely that all the constituant parts are fabricated in the same location or even country.

So what if the Chinese are assembling the newer Mackie stuff? They are just putting together a kit, they are not building a monitor from scratch from raw materials. Zho Mar Tenh can use a Japanese-built automated soldering station and a Phillips screwdriver the same way and just as well as Jose Martinez or Joe Martin can.

When one talks about failure rates coming out of a factory (be it Chinese or Martain), 99 times out of 100 that has to do with poor quality control in the fabrication of a component, not in the assembly of the final product. Many Chinese condensors got a deserved bad rap for this a few years ago because the actual condensors they were fabricating were of poor or uneven quality. Their condensors may still have a bit of a ways to go, but the Chinese aren't stupid (nor are their non-Chinese contractors like Rode and MXL); they are learning and getting better at it every year.

But those are fabricated components, they are making the condensors from scratch. This is not the case with something like Mackie monitors. I have 7-yr-old 824s staring me in the face right now. They were assembled in the USA. I couldn't give a rat's ass; I know that is mext to meaningless these days because I know they are over half filled with parts from scattered locations from all over the globe. They are no more "American" than my Toshiba laptop with it's Intel chipset (US), Phoenix BIOS (US), LG LCD display (Korean)and Cubase software (German) is "Japanese".

I suggest that if someone is worried about whether the eBay 824s are manufactured in Swaziland or Tanu Tuva, they should perhaps be more worried about the fact that they are *used*. What kind of environmental conditions they have been used in and how much they have been used (not to mention the question of the integrity of your average eBay slime dog) can potentially have a MUCH greater bearing on their quality than who turned the screwdriver.

G.

P.S. This all reminds me of when I used to sell electronics 25 years ago. We sold probably a dozen brands of TVs. At the time, those brands included "American" brands such as Zenith, Magnavox and RCA (perhaps another brand or two that I forget offhand.) Every time I customer walked in and said they wanted an American-made television (usually an older couple ;) ), I told them the truth. There wasn't a single TV sold that was American made in those days. The closest we had was one single model of Sony - the KV-1913R, if I remember correctly - was actually made in Mexico. The only major brand model of TV that was made on the North American continent was a Sony. All the "American" brands were actually made in Japan or Korea.

Of course the fact that I told the truth instead of being a good little sales boy by ignoring the truth and steering them right to the Zenith like they wanted to believe is a good indication of why I didn't stay in sales for very long ;)

Nowdays it's even more acute. The brand names themselves aren't even American any more. Japan, Korea, China and Singapore have actually purchased the names themselves. "RCA", "Magnavox", "Memorex", etc. are no loner even companies...at least not in the traditional sense. They are brand names only, the rights to the names themselves having been purchaced by overseas companies with entirely different names.
 
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Excellent pointers, Glen.

I don't get it why some of the guys here assume that the quality of a product decreases when it is assembled by Chinese dudes. They are only assembling it; the hardware and instructions are given by US or wherever the main quarters are. The reason why people love Sony over anything like RCA is because of it's quality, regardless of where it has been assembled. Who cares who assembled it, it's just a pair of hands and arms who have put together the missing pieces.
 
studiomaster said:
Excellent pointers, Glen.

I don't get it why some of the guys here assume that the quality of a product decreases when it is assembled by Chinese dudes. They are only assembling it; the hardware and instructions are given by US or wherever the main quarters are. The reason why people love Sony over anything like RCA is because of it's quality, regardless of where it has been assembled. Who cares who assembled it, it's just a pair of hands and arms who have put together the missing pieces.
Then you have to wonder where the QC check is made.
Let's face it, I wouldn't mind buying a product assembled in China after a north american has tested and verified it.
If it's QC'd in China, good luck with reliability.
If it's shipped back to USA and QC'd by people like Joe Smith or Greg Mackie himself, then you're in business because they actually CARE about the company more than does Zing Lee Chen who hates north america and wants to eat us up alive.
 
studiomaster said:
The reason why people love Sony over anything like RCA is because of it's quality, regardless of where it has been assembled. Who cares who assembled it, it's just a pair of hands and arms who have put together the missing pieces.
Yep. And Sony has factories all over the world. They are not just "made in Japan". And BTW, those of us who were actually born before punk rock will remember that it wasn't that long ago that a "Made in Japan" stamp invaribly and automaticllay meant "cheap piece of junk"; even more so than "Made in China" means now.

After Japan it was Korea. Back when I was selling those Mexican Sonys and Japanese RCAs, there were basically two Korean electronics companies selling in this country: Samsung and Gold Star. We hated selling those things because they were inexpensive junk that was always breaking down, if it even worked to begin with. Now Samsung has become one of the most respected video display companies in the world, the acknowledged leader in LCD display technology (or at least one of the top two or three), and is investing hundreds of millions of dollars into state-of-the-art advanced research and development facilities that best anything Japan or America is doing. As far as Gold Star, well, they changed their name to LG Electronics and has practically single-handedly and very quickly stolen the cell phone and mobile communications market out from under the previously leading Scandinavian companies like like Ericcson and Nokia.

Now it's China. They started 5 or 10 years ago exactly where Japan started 40 years ago and Korea did 20 years ago. In another 5 or 10 years, the days of "Made in China" automatically meaning cheap, badly built crap will be as antequated as the idea of "Made in Japan" meaning the same thing.

G.
 
all of you people just hate chinese 4 year olds and want them to starve to death because they have no work!

how could you?
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Now it's China. They started 5 or 10 years ago exactly where Japan started 40 years ago and Korea did 20 years ago. In another 5 or 10 years, the days of "Made in China" automatically meaning cheap, badly built crap will be as antequated as the idea of "Made in Japan" meaning the same thing.
G.
I wholeheartedly agree with that.
But what will happen to us then?
WE will be the ones starving :(
...and that's exactly what the Asians want!
Hell, I recall a couple of years ago, you could say "hey they have the arms, but here in North America, we have the brains".
Nowadays, India, Japan, Korea, China, etc are full of qualified engineers.
So what is next for us ?
 
Wow, where the hell did all of this come from? This sounds like we are heading off into racist propaganda territory now. Paranoid thinking will do much more damage than anything else that could come down the pipeline. As far "made in america" goes.... that certainly does not guarantee a damned thing. I know plenty of "americans" who I certainly would not want having anything to do with anything that I will be buying. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese out there who are capable of doing a great job too. The truth is, quit blaming everyone else and start with the problem at home. How about the cheap ass CEO that allowed all that to happen to begin with? My bet is he is not chinese, so maybe we should lay off of them for a bit since they are just doing what the guy YOU paid is asking them to do......
 
xstatic said:
Wow, where the hell did all of this come from? This sounds like we are heading off into racist propaganda territory now. Paranoid thinking will do much more damage than anything else that could come down the pipeline. As far "made in america" goes.... that certainly does not guarantee a damned thing. I know plenty of "americans" who I certainly would not want having anything to do with anything that I will be buying. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese out there who are capable of doing a great job too. The truth is, quit blaming everyone else and start with the problem at home. How about the cheap ass CEO that allowed all that to happen to begin with? My bet is he is not chinese, so maybe we should lay off of them for a bit since they are just doing what the guy YOU paid is asking them to do......
This is exactly why I boycott Mackie since they now outsource to China (even if it's just assembly...).
Greg Mackie is the CEO you talk about that is too cheap and not proud enough to tolerate making less money, but better quality goods.
 
Boy, sadly enough, it sounds like you would be right at home in Nazi Germany:(
 
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