An alternative to a mic preamp

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Enchilada

Strange person.
I need preamps for my pair of ecm8000 mics. I was thinking of trying something different and getting a Behringer Eurorack UB802 mixer for AU$120, panning channels 1 and 2 hard left and hard right and plugging the left and right master outputs into my Korg D12. The UB802 has invisible mic preamps, eq and phantom power. Because it is a 6 channel mixer 4 would be wasted but it works out cheaper that buying 2 pres or 1 x 2 channle pre
Would this be a good idea? :confused:
I will be using the ecm8000s for drum overheads and accoustic guitar

Opinion's/Alternatives would be appreciated
Ench
 
You want to buy a mixer as an alternative to buying a pre amp? :confused:

You do realise that a mixer channel is just a pre amp with extra bits... right? :rolleyes:
 
Sing it with me "You'll be Sawwwwry"
 
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*sings*
"You'll be Sawwwwry"

Advice: M-Audio DMP-3. Clean preamp, and it's all you need. You can always pan later. Just connect the 2 channels of this preamp to your Korg and you're done (that's basicly the same as hard panning).
 
Mark7 said:
You want to buy a mixer as an alternative to buying a pre amp? :confused:

You do realise that a mixer channel is just a pre amp with extra bits... right? :rolleyes:

No it isn't. I've seen mixers with no preamps

Halion said:
*sings*
"You'll be Sawwwwry"

Advice: M-Audio DMP-3. Clean preamp, and it's all you need. You can always pan later. Just connect the 2 channels of this preamp to your Korg and you're done (that's basicly the same as hard panning).

Yeah well that'll be all well and good if I had a spare AU$600. (hence the looking for alternatives to cheap preamps). That's more than I've spent all 4 of my mics so far.
I have a behringer MIC200 and I'm quite happy it
Any other ideas to suit a low budget home studio??
 
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there are mixers with no gain stages, that just sum or split signals. that behringer mixer has two mic inputs with preamps, and two additional stereo channels. it wouldn't really be a waste, and you could have a decent signal router/monitor mixer when you outgrow it (thats what i did with my UB1202). the pre's aren't too bad, I've been happy with them. the main reason i'd recommend it is because, it seems, that the DMP3 (which would be my first choice in your situation) isn't very cheap in australia.
 
hasbeen said:
Can you tell me which mixer has no pre amp? Thanks.

I don't think this board has pre's....................ahhhh or?





mmmmmm what do I know?





I curious to what mixer has no pre's also.





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Enchilada:

(1) A line mixer is really not the issue here.

(2) I think that you got good advice about the DMP3.

(3) If money's the issue and you don't really need a mixer, try a Behringer MIC100 or MIC200.

(4) If you're dead set on, or actually need, a small mixer, I'd suggest a Yamaha MG10/2. It has inserts on each mic channel and the EQ structure works better for vocal mics (IMHO) than the UB802 EQ. The smaller Behringers do not sound like the larger ones. The larger Behringers have semiparametric mids, detented at 800 Hz, and they have either inserts or inserts and direct outs. The MG10/2 and the UB802 both have the mid peak center fixed at 2.5 kHz, but the MG and UB have different centers for the low and high EQ controls (and the Mackie VLZ also has a different EQ structure). The EQ sound is important because you have no EQ bypass options on the UB802 and your Aux/FX is fixed at post EQ (although most Behringer boards have an internal trace you can cut to "permanently" [read "inconveniently"] change this from post to pre). You can use an insert send on the MG to bypass the EQ. Preamp-wise, I see/hear little difference, if any, between an IMP and an MG preamp from an insert send---they're both plain-vanilla, clean and quiet. There's a difference in price but, if you insist on the mixer route on a strict budget, the Yamaha is worth it for the inserts and the EQ (and some more channels). Incidentally, I have a variety of small (under $1000) mixers around here---Mackie, Behringer, Yamaha, Soundcraft---including the two mixers I wrote about. I keep my UB802 in the back of my Guitar combo as submixer/interface and every now and then it comes in handy. It's an small, inexpensive Swiss Army Knife but I think the MG works better for vocal applications.

(5) I think that you got good advice about the DMP3. Oh, sorry---did I already say that?

(6) On a budget, the Behringer VX2000 might be another option.

(7) A DMP3 would be a good place to start . . .


Good luck,
Paj
8^)
 
The DMP-3 woule be a good long term investment BUT

The UB802 is cheap and probably available around the corner where everyone is living AND considering the mics are a pair of ecm8000 it should be more than sufficient.

Also take into consideration that in six months time you can sell a DMP-3 but who'll buy a used UB802 ;)
 
hasbeen said:
Can you tell me which mixer has no pre amp? Thanks.

Line level mixers have no preamps

Paj said:
(3) If money's the issue and you don't really need a mixer, try a Behringer MIC100 or MIC200.
(4) If you're dead set on, or actually need, a small mixer, I'd suggest a Yamaha MG10/2
(6) On a budget, the Behringer VX2000 might be another option.

I have a mic200 And I'm quite pleased with it. I've been let on that the IMPs sound better than the MIC100 or MIC200. 2 MIC100 pres will set me back AU$176. Is 2 of them worth the extra $55?
The Yamaha 10/2 would be a waste because I'd only be using 2 channels. Over here a 10/2 cost $240 so that's not really an option
As far as I'm aware the Behringer VX2000 hasn't got phantom power (remember I'll only be using it for my pair of ecm8000)

That said I did a bit more browsing online and found an Aussie site where they have the DMP-3 for $339. :D
Going on what you lot and more or less everyone else tells me they're mustard but I don't think If it'd be worth getting one for ecm8000 mics.
Think I might save up for one to use with my V67g and Studio Projects B1

Just out of curiosity how does the Audio Buddy compare to the DMP-3? At AU$189 they are a shade closer to my price range

Thanks for all the input guys.
 
I'm sure that if you asked someone here nicely, they'd buy you a DMP3 in the US and ship it to you. I'd have to believe that it would be quite a bit cheaper, but then again, I really don't know anything about shipping to other countries.
 
Adam P said:
I'm sure that if you asked someone here nicely, they'd buy you a DMP3 in the US and ship it to you. I'd have to believe that it would be quite a bit cheaper, but then again, I really don't know anything about shipping to other countries.

I gan get one off eBay shipped for AU$315 including what it'll cost me to get a money order to the states with Western Union. Might as well just get one here for $339
I got my MXL V67g for $215 from the USA and saved AU$284 so it sometimes is a good way to go.
 
Enchilada said:
Line level mixers have no preamps
Which is why most people call them "line level mixers" and not just "mixers"........ the term "mixer" in common use most often means a mixer that includes preamps....
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Which is why most people call them "line level mixers" and not just "mixers"........ the term "mixer" in common use most often means a mixer that includes preamps....

I was unaware of that. I've always called line level mixers just mixers.
 
DJL said:
I wonder why gear cost so much more over there... maybe it's for the same reasons why we pay more for gas, housing and etc in CA than the rest of the USA... we're getting ripped off. :(

A new DMP-3 only cost $159.00 here ( http://www.8thstreet.com/product.asp?ProductCode=10268&Category=Audio_Processors ) ... how much does it cost to ship a DMP-3 from the US to AUS (including insurance and etc)?

I think it is around US$30 for postage to Australia on something like a DMP-3.
So all up it'd be US$189 or AU$270. But then on top of that I have to pay to get money over to the USA. The post office tells me that it'll take 4-6 weeks to send a normal money order. Westurn Union can send them immediatly but it costs an extra AU$40, making the total so far AU$310. And I can buy one here for $339.

It is a bit silly that some things cost so much here. The DMP-3 isn't as bad as I first thought but there are still a lot of things that get jacked up.
For example it cost me AU$195 (US$136.40) for a my pair of emc8000 mics. I hear that over there they are as low as US$35 (AU$50).
 
DJL said:
Oh well, it was just a thought... good luck.

Don't get me wrong. I'm agreeing with you that it is wierd how prices can sometimes be so different just because of your location, and sometimes be similar.
 
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