The New Tone Thread

[minerman]

Hey guys,

Some tone ail for you to cut.

Just a snippette of the guitar solos for "Sympathy for the Devil".

I didn't want to go for that razor sharp, thin (Tele?) sound of the original, but I did want it a little piercing anyway.

There are 3 solos.


First and third are the same settings:

Gibson SG Bridge pick-up....
Fender Super Champ X 2 "80s British (Marshall JCM800)" setting
Virtual OverDrive Pedal between the guitar and before hitting the re-amp.


The middle solo:

Epiphone SG (P-90's) Neck Pick-up
Fender Super Champ X 2 "60s British Clean (Vox AC30)" setting

Dude this sounds great to me, that's one of those solo's that you just remember, & I think you nailed it. Those lead tones ain't thin at all to me, matter of fact, they sound big & fat...Very nice Rami, I'm impressed man...

 

[RAMI]

Dude this sounds great to me, that's one of those solo's that you just remember, & I think you nailed it. Those lead tones ain't thin at all to me, matter of fact, they sound big & fat...Very nice Rami, I'm impressed man...

Really? Cool. Even the middle solo with the Epi? I was afraid that maybe the first and third solos were too bright and the second solo was too dark.

 

[minerman]

Really? Cool. Even the middle solo with the Epi? I was afraid that maybe the first and third solos were too bright and the second solo was too dark.

Listening again as I type this, 3rd time 'round...first solo is big'n fat....middle solo is a little darker, but I think it'll be good because it gives contrast between the guitars...Depending on the mix you might have to nudge the middle solo up a little. Maybe brighten it up a little, but I wouldn't go too far, but that's just me, somebody else may approach it a different way...

Don't take this as an insult, but at times the 1st/3rd solo sounds a lot like Slash to me man. I personally think that's the best tone you've posted here Rami, whatever you're doing, it works...

 

[RAMI]

Listening again as I type this, 3rd time 'round...first solo is big'n fat....middle solo is a little darker, but I think it'll be good because it gives contrast between the guitars...Depending on the mix you might have to nudge the middle solo up a little. Maybe brighten it up a little, but I wouldn't go too far, but that's just me, somebody else may approach it a different way...

Don't take this as an insult, but at times the 1st/3rd solo sounds a lot like Slash to me man. I personally think that's the best tone you've posted here Rami, whatever you're doing, it works...

That's cool! I'm not a GnR fan, but I love Slash's tone most of the time, so no insult there. I wonder if the overdrive pedal is the answer here. I have the Drive set at 1. I'm almost going through it without any drive, but it still changes the sound quite a bit. I thought it might give it too much bite. But it's hard to say on this solo because it's almost impossible to get as much bite as the original even if you'd want to.

 

[minerman]

I wonder if the overdrive pedal is the answer here. I have the Drive set at 1.

Could be dude, play the di through your amp & turn the pedal on/off while it's playing...99% of the time when I use an od pedal (I only have 1...Boss SD-1), I leave the gain/drive on "0", crank the level, & adjust the tone to taste...Folks call that a "clean boost", & can do wonders for amps, it'll usually tighten up the low end & push the front end a little harder...A Tubescreamer does this really well too, I don't happen to have one, but Greg has 'em both & uses 'em the same way IIRC...

 

[RAMI]

Could be dude, play the di through your amp & turn the pedal on/off while it's playing...99% of the time when I use an od pedal (I only have 1...Boss SD-1), I leave the gain/drive on "0", crank the level, & adjust the tone to taste...Folks call that a "clean boost", & can do wonders for amps, it'll usually tighten up the low end & push the front end a little harder...A Tubescreamer does this really well too, I don't happen to have one, but Greg has 'em both & uses 'em the same way IIRC...

I think I did just that..... by accident. I had the Drive at 1, but it wasn't really the drive I wanted. It just seemed to sound better being there. Maybe because it's red. Whatever. I like it.

 

[Greg_L]

I go through phases with my overdrive pedals. I do like them set as clean boosts. No "drive" - max level. I never record with them, but I use them live to kick my ham-fisted solos into high gear. The Tube Screamer and the Plexis is pretty righteous.

Rami I'll check your clips tomorrow. For real, I will.

 

[Lt. Bob]

That's funny. I know exactly what you mean. I sort of took pride in being able to wing it......or learning songs in the car on the way to a rehearsal or gig. It's kind of like living on the musical edge, but I had an over-confidence about it that, luckily, never bit me in the ass. I always pulled it off. I mean, I'm not really bragging because it is easier for a drummer than a chord instrument, generally. I'm more impressed at my memory for lyrics.

Having a good memory is an important musical tool ..


Man, I think ALL your lead clips sound nice .... none of them seem too bright to me and they all rock pretty well ... that little Champ does an impressive job for being a modeler

 

[RAMI]

I go through phases with my overdrive pedals. I do like them set as clean boosts. No "drive" - max level. I never record with them, but I use them live to kick my ham-fisted solos into high gear. The Tube Screamer and the Plexis is pretty righteous.

Yeah, it almost made the guitar too hot to hold, like a hot potato.

Rami I'll check your clips tomorrow. For real, I will.

Hehe....Man, I get carried away sometimes. I'm like a little kid, I don't know when to stop. I wanted that thread to go down and I kept pushing it back up. But there was mix, snare, and guitar talk in there too. It's like shooting the shit sometimes. Pass the pretzels.

 

[minerman]

that little Champ does an impressive job for being a modeler

I agree Bob, lately Rami's been killin' the tones IMO...

A question about the little amp Rami, does it do the "Fender" cleans??? I know this is probably a dumb question, but curious about that amp...

 

[RAMI]

that little Champ does an impressive job for being a modeler

Yeah, it's still pretty damn loud when it's cranked for recording. I almost gave up on it. The trick to getting it sound good was using the USB and connecting it to eh software that allows way more control over the sound. The amp doesn't have a mid control unless you hook it up to the software, for example. But I also have access to mix and match virtual amps with virtual cabs, etc....

 

[RAMI]

A question about the little amp Rami, does it do the "Fender" cleans

Yeah, that's one thing it does well. Many clean models, all nice. Princetons and Black Faces and Bassmans. It was the distorted sounds I took a long time to get working.

 

[RAMI]

Here's the 16 amp settings. With the "FUSE" software, I can edit them. But this is how it comes stock.

1. Fender Tweed Champ • Versatile – A Fender Classic Standard Tube Amp

2. Fender Tweed Deluxe Clean • Signature tone for Neil Young, Larry Carlton, & Don Felder
• Clean at lower volumes and saturated at higher volumes

3. Fender Tweed Deluxe - Dirty/Compressed

4. Fender Tweed Bassman • Provides slight compression but allows for the increase of the amp’s dynamic output range.

5. Fender ‘65 Princeton Clean • Top-notch tube tone, naturally dynamic clean tones, and unmistakable long-spring Fender reverb and tube vibrato

6. Fender ‘65 Princeton dirty/compressed • Top-notch tube tone, naturally dynamic overdriven tones, and unmistakable long-spring Fender reverb and tube vibrato

7. Fender ‘65 Deluxe • Rock, Country, or Blues
• Fat Fender tone and a go-to studio amp for decades

8. Fender ’65 Twin • Rock, Jazz, or Country
• “What a clean electric guitar sounds like.”

9. 60s British Clean (Vox AC30) • Known for its “jangly” high-end sound

10. 60s British dirty/compressed (Vox AC30) • Fuller/Thicker Overdrive Sound

11. 70s British (Marshall Major) • “Used by rock musicians who needed lots of volume.”

12. 80s British (Marshall JCM800) • “Distinctive roar and larger than life edge.”

13. Fender Super Sonic • “Fender clean tones and expressive modern high-gain tones…Overdrive flavors ranging from bluesy to flame-throwing.”

14. 90s Metal (Mesa Boogie Rectifier) • Gobs of overdrive and liquid sustain

15. 2000 Metal (Peavey 6505) • “Brutality and Aggression”

16. Jazzmaster • Flat, solid-state clean

 

[minerman]

Ok, that's the only thing my 'lil 15w won't do is a clean. It'll do semi-clean, but not the sparkly Fender thing...

Might consider picking one up, then I'd have a dual, 15w attack stack.....

 

[RAMI]

Actually, I should mention. There are 2 channels. The presets I posted are all on channel 2. Channel one is just one really nice clean sound. It's a non-master volume channel that sounds like an old blackface.

 

[minerman]

Actually, I should mention. There are 2 channels. The presets I posted are all on channel 2. Channel one is just one really nice clean sound. It's a non-master volume channel that sounds like an old blackface.

I'm assuming the Fender speaker & small combo cab give it that old-school Fender vibe in spades. Most of the Fender amp's I heard/read about were combo's, & that probably contributed to their sound...

 

[JDOD]

RAMI, tones sound good. It's not quite Keef, but then the tone on the original sounds like a bag of dicks.

I pretty much always play with the SD1 as a clean boost, even when I'm playing clean. Keeps me on the edge of breakup when coil tapped and gives me the slightest crunch on the full humbuckers.

 

[Greg_L]

Looking forward to this ..... don't get to do band gigs often enough and Tommy's a monster.
Of course ..... I only got copies of his 30 originals last night and I have a gig tomorrow so I have until I fall asleep in my chair to learn all this stuff.
That's my thang and what I do but it's still a tiny bit 'o' pressure.

click on it and it'll get big enough to read.

Haha that's awesome Boob! Good luck and kick some ass.

Hey guys,

Some tone ail for you to cut.

Just a snippette of the guitar solos for "Sympathy for the Devil".

I didn't want to go for that razor sharp, thin (Tele?) sound of the original, but I did want it a little piercing anyway.

There are 3 solos.


First and third are the same settings:

Gibson SG Bridge pick-up....
Fender Super Champ X 2 "80s British (Marshall JCM800)" setting
Virtual OverDrive Pedal between the guitar and before hitting the re-amp.


The middle solo:

Epiphone SG (P-90's) Neck Pick-up
Fender Super Champ X 2 "60s British Clean (Vox AC30)" setting

Those are all pretty dang good to me. I really like the P-90 one. I like how I can just hear the pickup hum underneath it. Most people run from noise, but I think a little pickup noise adds some character. It doesn't bother me. I think the bridge pickup clips are a slight bit nasally to me, but not bad at all. They're definitely not too bright. I like it.

 

[jimistone]

Hey guys,

Some tone ail for you to cut.

Just a snippette of the guitar solos for "Sympathy for the Devil".

I didn't want to go for that razor sharp, thin (Tele?) sound of the original, but I did want it a little piercing anyway.

There are 3 solos.


First and third are the same settings:

Gibson SG Bridge pick-up....
Fender Super Champ X 2 "80s British (Marshall JCM800)" setting
Virtual OverDrive Pedal between the guitar and before hitting the re-amp.


The middle solo:

Epiphone SG (P-90's) Neck Pick-up
Fender Super Champ X 2 "60s British Clean (Vox AC30)" setting

those guitar tones are very good IMO. The fender modeling amps are awsome. I have a mustang V head that I love. They aren't the best on metal style heavy guitar tones but they do the old 60s fender blackface amps and classic rock tones amazingly well.

 

[RAMI]

RAMI, tones sound good. It's not quite Keef,

Cool. Yeah, I've never been crazy about the sound of the original. You wouldn't believe how much debate there is on the internet concerning who really played that solo. Many say it isn't Keith. Every one from Jimmy Page to Rory Gallagher and everyone in between was named. It's one of those internet mysteries and everyone has a very detailed opinion on why it was one person or the other.

Those are all pretty dang good to me. I really like the P-90 one. I like how I can just hear the pickup hum underneath it. Most people run from noise, but I think a little pickup noise adds some character. It doesn't bother me. I think the bridge pickup clips are a slight bit nasally to me, but not bad at all. They're definitely not too bright. I like it.

Great, thanx. I can work on that. I'm the glad you like the P-90 one. I wasn't sure about it.

those guitar tones are very good IMO. The fender modeling amps are awsome.

They're ok. To be honest, I'd never buy one now knowing what I know. I'd buy a straight up tube amp. But I've managed to make this work for me.


Funny thing about "Sympathy". I've re-recorded it about 7 times since I started recording. I seem to always go back to it every couple of years and want to do it better. The only thing that hasn't changed every time I record it is the percussion track. I did that on a TASCAM 788 probably about 15 years ago, and it keeps getting transferred to new versions of the tune.