drum bus questions

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Heres me:

I can get a drum set sounding good. I want it to sound fantastic. If i get a band in that wants to track im not going to do all the stuff that they should already have done or know how to do. Gateing and compression and eq and limiters are all the norm on almost all records. I have not once seen anyone that is recording a modern rock album do nothing to the drums but mic, eq, and compress them. Ive listened to greg l's stuff on his site and the drums seem more processed than just compression and eq. Not to sound like im doubting his said approach but most of us that record at home do not have a treated room and the best mics, or a neve 8068 console. So post production is a big part of a home studio setup. Dont get me wrong here, im not new to recording im just wondering what other angles i could use to go at certain situations. Please dont think im coming off rude but tuning and mic placement is a big part of the picture but that is mostly the canvas and all the other stuff is the paint.

Heres greg:

Well, they're not. Good or bad, they're just drums with modest, simple processing. I don't do half the extraneous processing that most guys talk about doing.


You're coming off as a little unnecessarily defensive. You can't paint without a good canvas. And if a band comes in and wants to track, it's not up to them to tune and mic their kit. It's up to you, as the engineer/producer, to get that stuff right. Are you just gonna plop some mics on the kit not knowing if it's tuned right and then process the shit out of later on to hopefully make it sound good? That's ass backwards and will not work. You wanna make pro sounding stuff, so do it like the pros. They don't half-ass the basics hoping to fix it later. They nail the basics and the extra stuff later makes it shine even more.

As for what you have and don't have, at least treat your fucking room.

How could that look like i started this argument? I made a statemnet that he didnt like. that wouldnt have bothered me at all. So who is the sensitive one?

And you found his response there a reason to lash out and get pissed off? I sure hope you don't ever have children.
 
Dont get into this cause im trying to make enemys but if i have to so i can get my point across thats ok with me. You gotta break some eggs to make and omelet.

Enemies....?
Man, you're just comic relief at the moment. :D

Oh...I never played with Arlo, and I don't run a music shop.
Try to find up a better comeback than that....and we're still waiting for you to get your audio point across...whatever that is.
 
See thats what id expect from a guy who probably sits around and reminisces about playing with Arlo Guthrie when you were teens. Now i bet you run a music shop right. I didnt ask basic questions. I asked questions that could be led into a discussion about something more advanced. More people reply when not asked to go into something difficult right off the bat. Dont get into this cause im not trying to make enemys but if i have to so i can get my point across thats ok with me. You gotta break some eggs to make and omelet.

Dood, you are unreal. You really need to let go of this and carry on. I am saying this because I hate to see you waste any benefit from learning about this recording thing you are obviously passionate about just because you have it in for Greg. Btw, not my boyfriend. I barely have met the guy through this forum, but I do know that he has one more thing than you have.......integrity. Get a grip man. I do not want to see you ostracized for having issue with someone here. Greg is not throwing you to the hounds. You are doing it to yourself. Just fucking stop already..
 
You guys are wrong. And you dont want to admit it. That example i showed you was the reason i got irritated at first. Look at how he came off. Treat your fuckin room. Who does this guy think he is, I am probably the most helpful person youd ever meet. And i wouldnt act like someone is an idiot for a asking something simple to lead to something more advanced. Ive let go. I tried to give miroslav some input on EZDrummer and drop it all. But hell no, Gregs back from his fishing trip and couldnt wait to start the heat again. And that guy definitely don't have integrity. Unless by definition his consistency is just being a dick to people cause they dont like his methods. Hes definitely not of good character.
 
I tried to give miroslav some input on EZDrummer and drop it all.

I think you need to review the last 5 pages of this thread...you just can't stop trying to prove yourself, and you haven't dropped anything at all (though your dignity is close). ;)

Oh...I know EZ Drummer and have heard it in use many times, I only said I couldn't install it on my W2K system.
Actually, most guys that use it instead of real drums, don't take the time to make it sound like a real drummer...so after two measures you can hear that it's a sampled Snare/Kick/etc, because every hit sounds exactly the same.
 
You're one big ol contradiction. Attacker, victim, mad, not mad, simple, advanced, etc. Troll is probably more like it. You got us good!

For the record "treat your fucking room" wasn't directed at you specifically. If that's what sent you into your current insane rage, then we are victims of the cold hard Internets lack of personal context when using common speak. It was just a general comment in regards to your defensive "not everyone can afford
acoustic treatment" or whatever unnecessarily defensive excuse you threw down at the time. I guess I could have said "treat ones fucking room". I know, more basic advice that's probably way beneath you, but it's important.
 
You guys are wrong. And you dont want to admit it. That example i showed you was the reason i got irritated at first. Look at how he came off. Treat your fuckin room. Who does this guy think he is, I am probably the most helpful person youd ever meet. And i wouldnt act like someone is an idiot for a asking something simple to lead to something more advanced. Ive let go. I tried to give miroslav some input on EZDrummer and drop it all. But hell no, Gregs back from his fishing trip and couldnt wait to start the heat again. And that guy definitely don't have integrity. Unless by definition his consistency is just being a dick to people cause they dont like his methods. Hes definitely not of good character.

Heat? You need therapy man. I don't have any other way to say this to you dood. You are just not getting it? How do you expect to get advice in a public forum when 'YOU' choose not to listen to someones opinion without getting all pissed off? Wait, I do have another way to say this: "Shut the fuck up you fucking retard! We are giving advice like you fucking asked for dumbass!" We are on your side and trying to fucking help you fucker! :D There, did you get that or are you going to lash out at me now cus you think I'm offending you or lying to you in some way? I like your devotion man. Your strategy is fucking lame.

Btw, if you have no room treatment where you are recording, then you truly have not educated yourself at all and are a troll here talking about how you already have it down and want 'pro' advice on how to get the good shit. Why would you get offended by someone saying to treat your room if you had any knowledge whatsoever about getting a drum tone?

Tag, yer it. Oh by the way, I choose you! Your girlfriend wants to 'get with me!'

I can pull out some childish comments too. I ain't that old man. Period, no comebacks!! LOL!
 
I think you need to review the last 5 pages of this thread...you just can't stop trying to prove yourself, and you haven't dropped anything at all (though your dignity is close). ;)

Oh...I know EZ Drummer and have heard it in use many times, I only said I couldn't install it on my W2K system.
Actually, most guys that use it instead of real drums, don't take the time to make it sound like a real drummer...so after two measures you can hear that it's a sampled Snare/Kick/etc, because every hit sounds exactly the same.

Yeah that what i was trying to say. If used right it does sound real. It is real. all samples all tonally and velocity sensitive, recorded by a real session drummer. How am i trying to prove myself? I was the one asking the questions? And why would i try to prove myself to that greg nobody guy? Give this up. Stop trying to keep this shit going. Post some useful shit or get off the computer. I am pretty good at recording on my shitty computer and eventually getting the sound i want i just figured you guys would be all about conversation. I am so bored with this shit and you guys want to be part of what he started then you guys are weak. Gang up on me all you want im not the least bit intimidated. And against any of you my music will stand up.
 
Heat? You need therapy man. I don't have any other way to say this to you dood. You are just not getting it? How do you expect to get advice in a public forum when 'YOU' choose not to listen to someones opinion without getting all pissed off? Wait, I do have another way to say this: "Shut the fuck up you fucking retard! We are giving advice like you fucking asked for dumbass!" We are on your side and trying to fucking help you fucker! :D There, did you get that or are you going to lash out at me now cus you think I'm offending you or lying to you in some way? I like your devotion man. Your strategy is fucking lame.

Btw, if you have no room treatment where you are recording, then you truly have not educated yourself at all and are a troll here talking about how you already have it down and want 'pro' advice on how to get the good shit. Why would you get offended by someone saying to treat your room if you had any knowledge whatsoever about getting a drum tone?

Tag, yer it. Oh by the way, I choose you! Your girlfriend wants to 'get with me!'

I can pull out some childish comments too. I ain't that old man. Period, no comebacks!! LOL!

Your too easy. Go watch the fucking anvil movie. Or is your mom watching something else. Get out of the basement. Whoa you just lost it for a minute didnt you? did someone fuck up your perm you eighties reject?
 
This thread is a joke . You guys like picking on people. And i took your advice and just didnt like that greg dude attitude. Fuck all of you your lamo and you get mad cause i didnt take your shit. If you have anything else t say lets hear it cause im kinda enjoying it now. And i didnt ask the questions you were answering any way. Fuckin idiots need to learn to read.
 
Yeah that what i was trying to say. If used right it does sound real. It is real. all samples all tonally and velocity sensitive, recorded by a real session drummer. How am i trying to prove myself? I was the one asking the questions? And why would i try to prove myself to that greg nobody guy? Give this up. Stop trying to keep this shit going. Post some useful shit or get off the computer. I am pretty good at recording on my shitty computer and eventually getting the sound i want i just figured you guys would be all about conversation. I am so bored with this shit and you guys want to be part of what he started then you guys are weak. Gang up on me all you want im not the least bit intimidated. And against any of you my music will stand up.

This aint 'ganging up'! It's you being completely oblivious to the fact that you are incapable of listening to anything reasonable. So.....Are you related to my kid somehow? He is 17 and he has a better grasp on communicating with others. He at least knows when to stop arguing before he looks stupid around his friends. Oh wait, it not looking like you are gaining any here. Maybe that should tell you something? I don't really know anyone here. Yet I do not have any enemies either. You are digging yourself a deep hole bro. Get the hell out before someone fills it with water.

Ooops, because I am really shallow and looking out for myself, would you please produce my next album with all your wisdom so I can be forever famous like you and your shitty bands you record may become? My shitty bands are of way less caliber than the shitty ones you talk about!
 
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This aint 'ganging up'! It's you being completely oblivious to the fact that you are incapable of listening to anything reasonable. So.....Are you related to my kid somehow? He is 17 and he has a better grasp on communicating with others. He at least knows when to stop arguing before he looks stupid around his friends. Oh wait, it not looking like you are gaining any here. Maybe that should tell you something? I don't really know anyone here. Yet I do not have any enemies either. You are digging yourself a deep hole bro. Get the hell out before someone fills it with water.


Ooops, because I am really shallow and looking out for myself, would you please produce my next album with all your wisdom so I can be forever famous like you and your shitty bands you record may become? My shitty bands are of way less caliber than the shitty ones you talk about!

This isnt the only place to get recording info. You are a fucking moron because i did try to stop. I said sorry and all that other bullshit you guys are just fucking lame fucks that probably live in your moms basement. What is it with you bringing up your kid dude? Is he your only friend or is it that he likes everything you record? I asked a question shit got hairy so i guess this thread has been used up. Time to 86 it. All the shit you guys argue about kinda sounds like your advice. Fucking redundant! Im sure soon you will all be in a circle with gregy boy beatin it on your faces. You bunch of groupie bitches!
 
Ill send you guys links when i post some of my music. Im sure you'll have some input on that. Maybe we should all in this thread start a songwriting competition against each other. That would be a good time.
 
This isnt the only place to get recording info. You are a fucking moron because i did try to stop. I said sorry and all that other bullshit you guys are just fucking lame fucks that probably live in your moms basement. What is it with you bringing up your kid dude? Is he your only friend or is it that he likes everything you record? I asked a question shit got hairy so i guess this thread has been used up. Time to 86 it. All the shit you guys argue about kinda sounds like your advice. Fucking redundant! Im sure soon you will all be in a circle with gregy boy beatin it on your faces. You bunch of groupie bitches!


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This isnt the only place to get recording info. You are a fucking moron because i did try to stop. I said sorry and all that other bullshit you guys are just fucking lame fucks that probably live in your moms basement. What is it with you bringing up your kid dude? Is he your only friend or is it that he likes everything you record? I asked a question shit got hairy so i guess this thread has been used up. Time to 86 it. All the shit you guys argue about kinda sounds like your advice. Fucking redundant! Im sure soon you will all be in a circle with gregy boy beatin it on your faces. You bunch of groupie bitches!

You are such an idiot. You never stopped. Where do you find the time to conjure up such stories in your head, yet you cant listen to reason? You should use that vivid imagination to think of some ideas of your own, instead of lashing out at those that are here only to give their experiences. Oh and for free. I am now going to act like a child. Why? .....Because! ....I always hated being told that when I was a child. I can do this now.....Red for you punk ass!
 
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