Will Bass Traps help My Cause?

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OK so my jam room/recording room is in the basement of my townhouse. It's roughly 21 feet by 15 feet, 8 foot ceilings. I say roughly because the room is not a perfect rectangle and there is a staircase and another short hallway that leads to the garage.

My question is this: Will a few bass traps make a noticable difference? If so, where should I place them? There are only a few places I can put them and unfortunately making them symetrical would be difficult. I am thinking the corner behind the drumset and between the wall and the ceiling above the guitar amps. Or maybe between the wall and the ceiling above the window or above that drawing opposite of the window.

What would be the optimal amount to have? What would be the minimum that is worth-while?

I am thinking about buying a few from realtraps or Ready Accoustics. They both look very nice but Ready accoustics seems to be a little cheaper. Is there a performance difference between the two? Anyone done a comparo? Is there are third company I should consider?

Or I might make them myself.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks dudes.
 

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You didn't tell us specifically what the problem is though. If it's just a jam room, bass traps might be too much. If all you're looking to do is dampen the room in the highs some, then 2" panels would be fine.

So...what's the problem you're trying to solve?

Frank
 
Thanks Ethan. Just watched a few of your videos. I read many of your articles previously, some of them more than once. Good stuff.

Just spoke with your sales rep as well lol.
 
You didn't tell us specifically what the problem is though. If it's just a jam room, bass traps might be too much. If all you're looking to do is dampen the room in the highs some, then 2" panels would be fine.

So...what's the problem you're trying to solve?

Frank

Yo FrankDude :D

He said it was a "jam room/recording room" so maybe traps would be good.
No? :)
 
You didn't tell us specifically what the problem is though. If it's just a jam room, bass traps might be too much. If all you're looking to do is dampen the room in the highs some, then 2" panels would be fine.

So...what's the problem you're trying to solve?

Frank

Just a personal observation but when we have 3 guitars, a bass, keys, and drums going, it does get a little muddy in certain ranges. I don't know if bass traps would help with that. I also try to arrange our music to avoid that.

But yeah, we do record and mix in there as well so hopefully there will be a little improvement. Baby steps. :)

I ended up buying two HF panels and four regular baretraps. Diffusors are pricey so perhaps someday. I'll probably put the two HF panels in the reflection points and go from there.

My room does exhibit some of the undesirable qualities. You know that sound you hear when talking in a hallway? That tin sounding echo? My room does that just a little.
 
Coolio. I will forthwith backpedal from my previous advise with abandon. If things are muddy *and* you're mixing in there, plenty of broad band (4") panels would be the way to go. Ideally I'd like to see superchunks in the available corners.

Frank
 
Ready Traps Review

Just to be clear, what are you hoping traps will make a noticeable difference with?

Improving the sound in the room? Definitely.

Isolation? Not at all.

I reviewed Ready Traps here: https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=260402

Ready Traps

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I wanted to write up a short review of the broadband absorption panels I used for my studio.

I bought 58 panels from Ready Acoustics. Eight of them are the super-duper sub bass traps (or whatever). They are 6" of 703, a corner mounting bracket, and a nesting panel of 4" 703.

I bought six 2" panels of 705.

The remainder are their "Chameleon Traps", which are 4" panels of 703 with a lightweight metal frame.
I'm not going to go into the acoustic properties of these types of products, as they are well covered here and elsewhere. I will then address a few points about these products a consumer might care about.


Purchasing: 4 out of 5 stars
These were easy to purchase, the website is simple and easy to navigate, and the products were delivered mostly intact.


Product: 4 out of 5 stars
Here's the deal. These aren't the most expensive traps on the market. They cost about half of what a different, well-received, reviewed, alternative product that shall remain unnamed cost. That factor was for me, as it will be for many non-pro penny pinchers, the deciding one. The illustrious unnamed product is targeting a different market, in my opinion, and I'd like to avoid comparing the two in this thread.

Now that that's out of the way:

Chameleon traps are plain sexy. They are attractive products and hold up to installation fairly well. The color selection is nice, and the construction is solid. Further, there is a goodly amount of consistency from panel to panel. I appreciate the loose fabric being tucked in, the seams folded under the frames, and the final brushing to give them some additional visual interest. The corners on the non-chameleon traps show more than I'd like, but this is a minor quibble. I feel like they are substantial and that their cost is justified by their quality and appearance; again, the acoustic properties of Owens Corning 703 and 705 are fairly well documented. What we are paying for here then, is the appearance and durability of the product - as well as the people behind it, such as that may be.


Packaging: 5 out of 5 stars
They were delivered well packed and with obvious care. A few of the panels were dented, but the covering can be smoothed to hide such imperfections. Several of the metal frames were dented, and the paint peeling off. This is harder to remedy, but still not a very big deal - although the traps are not reversible. Keep this in mind when you're planning.

Installation: -10 out of 5 stars
This brings me to pretty much the only the negative side to this review. Panels are a serious pain in the ass to install. The mounting hardware, and the instructions for mounting the panels, are insufficient at best.

The wall mounting thingies, for standing panels off the wall, are acrylic. If you drop them or apply too much pressure to them they will break. They cost 20 bucks apiece, and I wound up chucking them in the garbage.

Out of the 20 I ordered, six were broken. Of the remaining, four were impossible to mount to the wall flat. Just unacceptable. The fantastic packaging did not protect them from the vagaries of delivery.

Chamelon traps, apparently, were not designed to mount on wall/celiing corners - or ceilings at all. This was discovered only after placing a call to ready acoustics the day the contractors were here to do the install, and the only indication of this upon inspection was that the straps on the back, used to mount the other types of non-framed panels Ready Acoustics sells, are present but sewn shut. This is the only indication that they are apparently designed only for wall mounting. The person who I spoke to at first was confused as to what it was I wanted to do, and then informed me that the products were not designed for such a purpose, and that what I needed to do was purchase additional mounting hardware at my own expense. As it turned out, their mounting suggestion also sucked, in practice, and we had to come up with our own method - for safety's sake.

While the corner mounting hardware is acceptable, even that had to be jury-rigged to hold the nested panel. Some simple elastic could have been included, along with some printed instructions.

Bottom line for installation: Be prepared to come up with your own solution for mounting these things. They are not easy to install, and if you do it wrong, a chameleon trap falling on your head could kill you.


Customer Support: 3 out of 5 stars
Contacting Ready Acoustics wasn't difficult, but getting a good answer about the products I ordered wasn't so easy. I did not like being told that I was using the products for a purpose other than which they had been designed - I felt that they could have been more helpful when it was clear I was having installation issues. Chameleon traps are not designed for ceiling mounting or wall/ceiling corner mounting, and ready acoustics does not supply hardware suitable for this purpose. Their website does not indicate this.

However, they did send some chains for ceiling mounting free of charge. That was helpful, and I appreciate it.

I tried to contact Joel prior to writing this, because a few well placed caveats on their website could have saved me considerable time and money. Joel has not returned my call to date.

Another thing: This stuff smells like ass. I don't know what to compare it to, but it's not pleasant.





Bottom line: This is good stuff. Be prepared to figure out how to install it yourself. I believe it to be worth the time and expense, if home recording is what you really want to spend your money on.

Some pics here:


http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/sho...d.php?t=253968
 
58 panels? Holy shit! I ordered 6. :D

I'm certainly not going for isolation. Just want to enhance my room any way possible. And I figure if I ever sell my place the traps are coming with me so this will be a long term investment.

I will be installing the panels myself. I will have to come up with my own method of installation. Good to hear your stories though. I learned a lot from that.

Did you record your latest Little Purple Circles in there? Cause that shit sounds awesome. Hopefully my room ends up sounding more like that.
 
Free tip of the day:

Ceiling installation: use #8 sheet rock anchors and #8 hooks. Each one will hold up to 50lbs static load, so you're way over the load-bearing capacity with four. You could actually use two right down the centerline of the panel too. I've installed lots and lots of panels both ways...works like a charm, and it's engineered way above the 70% weight:LBC ratio.

Frank
 
Got my bass traps a few days ago. I mounted the two I planned on putting on walls using some dry wall anchors, mounting brackets and some heavy duty wire meant for heavy paintings. That's the easy part.

Mounting the remaining 4 traps straddling where the ceiling and the wall meet is going to be a bitch. The brackets I used for the wall mounts are not going to be sufficient so I'm going to have to get someting different to make that work.

Right now I have them leaning between the floor and the walls.

Jamming tonight for the first time since I got the traps so we'll see if it changes the overall room sound.
 
Here's the way you do it: measure out 13" from the corner onto the ceiling and from the corner onto the wall on both ends of the panel...those are your hanging points. #8 sheetrock anchors and hooks will work fine. The trick is to use ZIP TIES and not wire; that'll make this thing a whole lot easier.

This all assumes that you're using a panel that's "made" to do this...though honestly I can't imagine why it wouldn't be.

Frank
 
Here's the way you do it: measure out 13" from the corner onto the ceiling and from the corner onto the wall on both ends of the panel...those are your hanging points. #8 sheetrock anchors and hooks will work fine. The trick is to use ZIP TIES and not wire; that'll make this thing a whole lot easier.

This all assumes that you're using a panel that's "made" to do this...though honestly I can't imagine why it wouldn't be.

Frank

Thanks again dude!

I bought some anchors and hooks (not sure if they are #8).

But after looking at where I am planning on putting these traps, I'm pretty sure I can find a stud or two in each case. So instead of relying on anchors, I might try and use wood screws and brackets with hooks/eye holes.

This assumes I can mount the brackets on the wall only and not the ceiling.

But the zip tie thing could save me a lot of time because so far I have been worried about measuring the wire at the perfect length to make the trap sit flush against the wall and ceiling. I figure Zip ties can cover my margin of error there. Great tip!
 
...plus, if you screw it up you just clip it off and do another one. Almost fool-proof.

Frank
 
Here's the way you do it: measure out 13" from the corner onto the ceiling and from the corner onto the wall on both ends of the panel...those are your hanging points. #8 sheetrock anchors and hooks will work fine. The trick is to use ZIP TIES and not wire; that'll make this thing a whole lot easier.

This all assumes that you're using a panel that's "made" to do this...though honestly I can't imagine why it wouldn't be.

Frank

Why no wire?

I was using zip ties and switched to wire because a couple of ties broke/slipped.
 
Why no wire?

I was using zip ties and switched to wire because a couple of ties broke/slipped.

You can use wire if you prefer it...there's nothing wrong with doing it that way. It's always been easier for me to use zip ties...the heavy-duty variety.

Frank
 
Jammed for the first time last night with the traps in the room. 2 of them mounted. The room sounds better IMO. There was more definition between the different instruments. I was able to pick different parts out better. The room sounds bigger.

Can't wait until I have the last four mounted. Going to buy brackets and zip ties tomorrow night.
 
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