Yet another C1 vs. V67G thread

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DJL said:
Here's an interesting thing... Harvey's V67G review is favorable and Rick's is not... who is right?

Dot says the C4 is NOT a flat mic and I think it was chessparov who said the C4 IS a flat mic... who is right?
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Here's another (of many identical posts) from DJL from the past:


The Studio Projects B1 is NOT a flat uncolored mic.


C'mon DJ, lets drop this: it's a broken record (though you may be too young to know what a broken record is.)

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. The SP B1 is a flat mic.
 

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Ok you got me. I was waiting for a huge bitchin' reply. I'm supprised!

And, your right about this. But in my case, I just dont really care about what I read here, when I dont beleive it, or I dont KNOW a part of it.

YES, all the web is full of crap. No doubt! (do you like how the No Doubt "Hella Good" sound? incredible to me!)

Reading someone comparing mics, like C1 and V67G is completely useless cuz I...I, ME, didnt do it.

Unless someone will compare a radioshak 2$ mic with a Blue Dragonfly, it' useless to me.

..DJL, I'm sorry about my precedent post, looks like I was wrong. I'll try to read your replys in a different way, maybe I'll see you in a different way. Anyway. see ya!
 
I think it's a great review. I give myself an A-freakin-plus. :D

So anyway, Crazydoc, it might ease your mind a little bit to know that Moon Unit Sound used to be a former bandmate/co-worker and studio partner who has since changed the name of his little project studio from Moon Unit to "Project Funk," which is now just a little side-business (mostly publishing, I believe) of his since he moved to San Diego last year. I liked the old name, though, and asked if I could use it. So now, I'm Moon Unit Sound. Not that it's copywritten or anything . . . and not like Zappa couldn't come by and try and sue me at any time for it (which would be tough since I'm not even in the least bit profitable yet). :D Sorry if we messed with your time-space continuum, doc. :D

And as for that B1 nonsense, I think we both did kind of did an about-face on that one after having the chance to play with it for a while. It really does suck. My bad. I still think the v67 sucks, and I'm sticking by it (for now), though I suppose I could always change my mind on that one. Honestly, though, I think a lot of people are missing the entire point of my little review. I make no pretense . . . that opinions are indeed like assholes, and mine is just another hairy, smelly one in the lot.

More than anything, I just wanted to do a writeup that was somewhat entertaining, and that breaks from the norm in terms of it's format. And to make a very simple point: beware of hype. And consider your ears and personal taste to be the final judge over hype and propaganda. -- Including and especially that started by myself.

(I only wish Steve would have posted the photos! ! :D Those were sort of a hoot, in my humblest of opinions)

Anyway, I hope some of you got a kick out of the article at least. That's all it was intended for.

But doesn't anyone find it odd that I would so publically back a Studio Projects product like that?
 
chessrock said:
I think it's a great review. I give myself an A-freakin-plus. :D
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Honestly, though, I think a lot of people are missing the entire point of my little review. I make no pretense . . . that opinions are indeed like assholes, and mine is just another hairy, smelly one in the lot.
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More than anything, I just wanted to do a writeup that was somewhat entertaining, and that breaks from the norm in terms of it's format. And to make a very simple point: beware of hype. And consider your ears and personal taste to be the final judge over hype and propaganda. -- Including and especially that started by myself.

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Anyway, I hope some of you got a kick out of the article at least. That's all it was intended for.
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I give you an A+ for it too. Seriously. You are an excellent writer, entertaining to read, sharp wit, funny as hell sometimes. I'm looking forward to reading your review of the hits if you decide to do it. I think you could even do a bit like the bitch-slap chronicles.

I enjoy your writing and style. I just get confused sometimes between fact and fiction. Maybe you could include some kind of code to help me sort it out. :D
 
Oh, I'm usually pretty serious about my opinions on gear and the sort. And I like to spout off my opinions. :D I just hope that my doing so encourages others to do the same and to form their own opinions as well. That's what the article is all about.

Thanks for the comments on the article, by the way. I had fun with it.
 
DJL said:
I think all these "A mic vs B mic" reviews are just about worthless... I mean, think about it... one person says one thing and another says the opposite... who's right?
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Everyone is right. Mics are a totally subjective thing. What sound I like may not be what you like. Everyone's ears are different and "colored" vs. "uncolored" does not exist other than in electronic lab measurements. Mics may be "flat" or "colored" but everyone's recording environment is different and there are so many variables that you have to account for. These arguments are arguments of opinion. They can never be won or lost except in a "perfect" recording room under ideal lab circumstances. None of us here have this. So, arguing over "colored" and "uncolored", "flat" and "unflat" or any other "component" of the sound of a particular mic is useless. What sounds good to YOU in YOUR recording environment is all that matters.
 
acorec said:
Everyone is right. Mics are a totally subjective thing. What sound I like may not be what you like. Everyone's ears are different and "colored" vs. "uncolored" does not exist other than in electronic lab measurements. Mics may be "flat" or "colored" but everyone's recording environment is different and there are so many variables that you have to account for. These arguments are arguments of opinion. They can never be won or lost except in a "perfect" recording room under ideal lab circumstances. None of us here have this. So, arguing over "colored" and "uncolored", "flat" and "unflat" or any other "component" of the sound of a particular mic is useless. What sounds good to YOU in YOUR recording environment is all that matters.
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Does that mean you think the "A mic vs B mic" type reviews are pretty worthless?
 
Personally, I find value in the experience of others and I often even trust others ears (especially those that have been doing this longer than I!) more than mine. At the end of the day it IS how that mic works in YOUR application but we sometimes forget that the final product is judged by others not by us.

But that said, I do also think that there is a tendency among us recording 'geeks' to overanalyze a wee bit. I've heard some vocals done on a SM58 and cheaper Chinese mics that were fine enough and the song and mix were so engaging that the final product was immensely listenable. Truth is there is probably more value in $200 of voice lessons than $200 in a higher quality mic for most beginners (especially after you have a basic decent quality mic already). But - hey that's not NEARLY as fun or easy :-)
 
I agree... I rather record a talented artist with a $100 mic than an untalented artist with a $2000 mic.
 
Contrary to the popular sentiment here, my complaint with most published reviews is that they don't do enough A vs. B.

How many reviews have you read telling about how fantastic a mic sounded on (pick one or more: vox, banjo, nose flute, tuba, etc.). That kind of information is pretty useless to me unless they include a comparison to other "known" brands of similar design.

If someone wants to review the Soundeluxe ELAM, for instance, wouldn't everyone want to know how it compares to the Telefunken, the Korby, and the Lawson versions?
 
littledog said:
Contrary to the popular sentiment here, my complaint with most published reviews is that they don't do enough A vs. B.

How many reviews have you read telling about how fantastic a mic sounded on (pick one or more: vox, banjo, nose flute, tuba, etc.). That kind of information is pretty useless to me unless they include a comparison to other "known" brands of similar design.

If someone wants to review the Soundeluxe ELAM, for instance, wouldn't everyone want to know how it compares to the Telefunken, the Korby, and the Lawson versions?
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Exactly!! But the problem with them doing that, of course, is. . .

MP

p.s. Good to see you, LD.
 
mallcore pop said:
Exactly!! But the problem with them doing that, of course, is. . .

MP

p.s. Good to see you, LD.
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I'm so tired right now your post doesn't make sense to me, but it probably will in the morning!

Do we know eachother? I'm afraid I don't recognize your name, and it appears I can't private message you.
 
littledog said:
Contrary to the popular sentiment here, my complaint with most published reviews is that they don't do enough A vs. B.

How many reviews have you read telling about how fantastic a mic sounded on (pick one or more: vox, banjo, nose flute, tuba, etc.). That kind of information is pretty useless to me unless they include a comparison to other "known" brands of similar design.

If someone wants to review the Soundeluxe ELAM, for instance, wouldn't everyone want to know how it compares to the Telefunken, the Korby, and the Lawson versions?
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Yeah, but which reviewer do we trust? For example... chessparov and Dot's reveiw (opinion) of the Studio Projects C4 seems to contradict each other... and I respect both of them.
 
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The one who's magazine isn't advertiser-supported . . .


. . . and last time I tallied up that number, we were somewheres in the neighborhood of . . . oh . . . how about 0 ?
 
Yeah, I know it's getting pretty sad. FWIW, Tape-Op is my favorite magazine.
 
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