Yet another C1 vs. V67G thread

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that's always going to be a problem with any review, which is why a variety of reviews and opinions is always better than just one.

In my fantasy world... for a mic review you'd have, for example, a round-table of Bob Clearmountain, George Martin, and Bob Ludwig, listening to Chaka Khan, Ray Charles, and Bonnie Raitt do double blind tests (oops! sorry, Ray!) and then discussing their preferences in detail.

Not much chance of that though...
 
I find it goes both ways. Often times I’ve read reviews and heard the product in question, only to find it nothing like the reviewer made it out to be.

My first big disappointment came when I once read a favorable Joe Meek VC3Q review in Home Recording magazine. Soon afterwards, Guitar Center had these in a clearance sale, so I bought one. I rushed right home, plugged in my Rode NT1 (one of the decent sounding older ones) and started tracking. But, to my surprise and amazement, there was nothing but one-dimensional mud. Fortunately, I was able to sell it without taking too bad of a beating.

OTOH, lots of reviews are spot on, like the good reviews I read about the Aardvark Q10 and the Studio Projects B3.

But folks - sound is objective and ears are fickle, so you’re bound to not always get a "correct" opinion about what you'll like, even from an experienced reviewer. As far as forums like this go, I think a lot of folks here including myself, will start spouting off first impressions of something before spending nearly enough time with it, let alone comparing it to similar products.

To get the best idea of what you like and don’t like, you’ve got to hear it yourself! Now, if you’re on a remote, foreign island with no music stores and a slow dial-up modem, then it’s just going to be a gamble because other’s opinions are all you have. For all others, do this:

1. Get the 3D Audio CD’s and study them every day for a couple of months.

2. Go to “The Listening Sessions” and download everything there. Also purchase all of TLS’s soon-to-be-released CDs. Study these every day for a couple of months as well.

3. Get manufacturer’s demo samples when available. For example, Royer and Studio Projects have demo CDs you can request for free and Rode has several mp3s you can download from their website.

4. Go to the mp3 clinics here and at other forums, and start listening. Find the one’s you like and correspond with folks who made them to learn what mics/pres along with what positions and settings were used. You might just be surprised at what you find, not to mention you’ll make new friends with similar passions.

5. Lastly, go to your local music store when it isn’t crowded and ask if you can demo their mics and pres. During the slow hours, most sales guys are bored and would love to accommodate you. Don’t just listen with headphones, either - ask if you can lay down some tracks and burn a CD to take home and mull over. BTW, when you're ready to make the purchase, don’t forget to at least attempt to buy it from that same store. Most places will compete with internet prices. This will insure future help and assistance.

The bottom line is, if you just go by others opinions, you are headed for certain disappointment.
 
my review of flatpicker's post:

"some of the best and most well-articulated advice i've seen anywhere!"
 
Flatpicker that was a very very good post.

I would like to add one more alternative to the pile especially for cheaper microphones. Flatpicker's advice could potentiall be costly (but effective) in terms of buying the CDs and time for all the listening and scrutinizing to just choose a $100-$200 mic. Now everyone's time is worth a different amount so some may see more value in this idea than others.

One could purchase 5-6 candidate $200-$300 mics - buy them used on ebay. Take a month or two with them at home with your equipment and see what really works best for you. Sell the ones you don't want on ebay. They key is that if you buy them used and the mics are of reputable quality - your not going to lose much (if anything) on the resale except for $15 each for shipping.

So, say you end up finding a $300 mic that you love. Your premium for the luxury of really A/Bing the leading contendors for YOUR voice and YOUR equipment is at a minimum in my scenario $75 ($15 shipping cost x 5) and at a maximum say $250 (say $15 shipping cost + $35 depreciation on each mic * 5).

So even at it's worst, you paid $250 for finding the right mic. As one you as wasted money on bad gear before (and I KNOW we all have) I don't think that sounds too bad!
 
DJL said:
Does that mean you think the "A mic vs B mic" type reviews are pretty worthless?

NO. I think that mic shootouts have a valid point IF they are all from the same exact studio with everything the same. The info could be used to pick a mic based on the difference between the sounds in the same studio. However, having two or more different studios, with totally different rooms, soundchains, mixers, pres etc. try to test even the SAME model mic is not really valid. Too many variables and the proof is in all the fights that happen around any given mic. WHat is "flat" in your studio may not be "flat" in mine. Sound is subjective. Electronic measurements are not. An electronically measured mic may be "flat" in a perfect sound chamber, but may not sound "flat" in your studio room. So, I would tend to consider a mic based on tests done by the same person in the same studio because the results (differences) as perceived by that tester is more useful as an indicator of the right mic for the source I am interested in.
This, of coarse, is if you cannot test the mic you think you want in your studio.

BTW: The results of A/B mic tests by the same person are valid in how the mics perform on different sources, in a mix etc. But, talking about "natural", "neutral", "flat", "hyped" are really a subjective thing since there is no standard for these parameters and every mic will act different when pre-amps are changed. There are just too many variables to judge.
 
littledog said:
my review of flatpicker's post:

"some of the best and most well-articulated advice i've seen anywhere!"

Here, here!

We should have that copied to it's own thread, lock it, and make it sticky.
 
littledog said:
my review of flatpicker's post:

"some of the best and most well-articulated advice i've seen anywhere!"
My most humble thanks, guys. I usually just get something in my mind, have some spare time, and start typing. I never know how it's going turn out until I read it. Trust me, I've scrapped a lot more than I've posted. :p
 
jeffoest said:
...One could purchase 5-6 candidate $200-$300 mics - buy them used on ebay. Take a month or two with them at home with your equipment and see what really works best for you. Sell the ones you don't want on ebay.
That is a VERY good point and one that I practice myself, but forgot to include it on my list. Thanks for pointing it out.
:cool:
 
chessrock said:
Here, here!

We should have that copied to it's own thread, lock it, and make it sticky.
I hope it at least gets reposted in grahamware's FAQ.
 
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