Whats the problem with this forum?

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Chris Jahn

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Im probebly heading down the road of getting hated on and ostrasized, but whats up with this forum?

Ive noticed now after a few months that unless the questions are really nerdy, ie: math related (db's, frequencies, computer stuff) or they give the oportunity for people to show off their knowledge of garbage info about super specific pieces of equipment, people dont generally respond or even look at the posts.

Im new to this, but i know that when i have something in the future worth advising somone about, im going to help out no matter what the question is.

dont get me wrong, there have been people who have given me and others very straight forward, very valuable info, and for that i thank you. But there is this very overwehlming feeling of nerdier than thow snootiness i get from this web site in general, arnt we here to help each other out?

Anyone else feel this way?
 
Dude...You posted a thread at 1pm and you have about 5 responses so far. People tried to help you, but it's an almst unanswereable question without being there and hearing what the problem is. But I, and others tried to help you anyway.

You posted another thread only 2 hours ago which hasn't got any responses yet. So what? Happens to everyone sometimes.


Take a valium. It's a week day afternoon. Some people work.
 
My post actually wasnt really spured on by today, it had to do with some stuff in the past, and on other forum subjects. And you were one of the very helpful people anyway. Believe me i have gained volumes of knowledge from this site.

Should have just kept my mouth shut!!!!!
 
you have to understand that some of the people have been here for several years. And we've probably seen some of the same questions asked over hundreds of times. Probably the most frequent being: "I'm just getting into recording, what should I get?" Or, "what microphone should I get for guitar? Oh yeah, I only have $25"

The most common questions take two seconds to find using the search feature. I don't mind stopping in to the newbie section and helping people out when they are confused with a feature or tech term. But I think everyone just comes to the point where the techie discussions start to interest them more. Not necessarily to "show off" but just to advance their knowledge past the beginner stage.
Then of course you go through different stages of interest. Right now I spend most my time sifting through the studio building threads.

my $.02
 
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Makes sense, I can see that! Hope i didnt piss anyone off.

On another subject, whats a good, realiable, and non dangerous place to get legit (legal) plugins that wont destroy my computer or my program. I use Logic on a mac and want some better compressors, Eq's, and reverbs. I really like the 7 band eq that comes standard with pro tools, its VERY easy to use and i want somthing simaler.
 
Chris Jahn said:
Makes sense, I can see that! Hope i didnt piss anyone off.

On another subject, whats a good, realiable, and non dangerous place to get legit (legal) plugins that wont destroy my computer or my program. I use Logic on a mac and want some better compressors, Eq's, and reverbs. I really like the 7 band eq that comes standard with pro tools, its VERY easy to use and i want somthing simaler.
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http://www.kvraudio.com will find you shitloads of stuff

Some of my favourites...

http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-series.php
http://www.digitalfishphones.com/
http://www.voxengo.com/group/freevst/
http://mda.smartelectronix.com/
http://www.betabugsaudio.com/plugs.php
 
The main problem with this forum is that too many people come here looking for quick and easy solutions to their issues. Meanwhile, they don't truly respect the amount of work and complexity involved to actually do something the right way.

That, and we get too many retarted questions like "Where do I get free plugins?" That's original. :rolleyes:
 
i think thats a little off base, I spend hours and hours every day of the week working hard for my own skills, reading, expermenting, and participating in an internship at a studio in Manhattan.

I never want quick solutions, just paramaters to further my own experiments, i only refer to this site when i hit a wall and cant seem to back out of the mess ive made of a given mix.

I think of it like this, if you ask a general question, and four people respond, 75% of most individual responses will be either wrong, or laced with tons of nonsense, but if you filter that, then there is 25% left over and that can be put together to make a 100% answer to get the ball rolling again when a perverbial wall has been hit.

And if you read my question, its not "where can i get free plugins" thats a no brainer, any search will bring up thousands, but a forum like this can help filter out the crap that will hurt a persons computer, thats what this is good for, colective knowledge.
 
And there are some of us who don't offer advice if we have none to give. I may or may not be one of those persons :D

Also, Chess's point is that what you asked is one that gets asked almost daily.

Look, do what I do -- read like hell, use the search function. You'll find a wealth of infomation already answered, including the one you just asked.
 
Chris Jahn said:
Ive noticed now after a few months that unless the questions are really nerdy, ie: math related (db's, frequencies, computer stuff)

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arnt we here to help each other out?
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In the spirit of helping each other out, I feel somewhat obligated to say that if you consider basics like math, dBs and frequencies to be "really nerdy", you're in the wrong line of internship, Chris. This is called "engineering" for a reason. Yeah it has a huge artistic component - if it didn't I'd be out of this racket in a heart beat - but without the math and the tech understanding, your mixes are going to suck.

I can only speak for myself. I try to answer what thread I can - indeed I have been accused of providing too many answers. If there has been a recent shift on my part it's because after a couple of years of getting the temperature of rookies and their problems, I've come to realize it's because their grasp of the BASIC "nerdy stuff" is so lacking as to be the root cause of most of their problems.

A perfect example is your post in one of your other threads talking about recording volume. I'm not picking on you, Chris; the level of very basic misunderstanding shown in that post that is shared by so many other rookies. You are not alone. But when one doesn't even know or understand what proper recording levels actuall are, what they mean, how they're measured, etc. the chances of their getting the kind of end result with their productions that they expect are close to nil.

And then those rookies will come back here on these and want to know how to fix their problem mixes using ever more complicated gear in ever more wrong places, and then blame us for being even more snobbish in saying that that mastering gear is not the answer.

EVERYBODY needs to learn what the difference is between dBu, dBVU and dBFS, how they are all related, and how general statements like "the more bits the better" and "2/3rds halfway up a meter" have no real basis and do nothing to actually help one get a good recording other than to confuse the situation.

Without those "nerdy" basics, rookies are just spinning their wheels and wasting their own time. And without those "nerdy' basics, any answers given here that do not address them are a waste of time.

G.
 
i appreciate what everyone is saying, but i think that my point was missed. none of what i said was an attack, but "nerdy" was not the word i should have used, its to easy to hone in on that word and take it as pure negativity, so im sorry.

But my answer came a ways back, i think that people respond to what interests them, and not the other stuff that mihgt interest a new person.

And i am VERY aware of the importance of the details in the math, and im learning more everyday, and i am not in the wrong business, my point was that unless it deals with such subjects, people tend not to respond, its that simple, i was in NO WAY saying that, any of that was unimportant.

It just seems to be the only thing people pick up on, that and name brands.

But like i said before i have recieved great info here and hope to get more.

Glen is actually one of the best ive encountered.
 
Glen eventually will answer the same questions enough times that he will stop responding.
 
Chris Jahn said:
i think that people respond to what interests them, and not the other stuff that mihgt interest a new person.
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well of course.
we can't help people unless we know the answer.
So consider the reason why most of us respond is either:
a) we don't know the answer, or
b) we know the answer but we've just responded so many times to it that we're tired of answering it!! use the search function!!

;)

....or c) Glen will answer it for us
LOL :D
 
the problem with this forum?

people are never selling the stuff i want, at a price i want it,
when i actually have the money to buy it.
 
Chris:

There is an incredible wealth of information compiled in FAQs online, if people will just make the effort to delve into it. Just looking at the HR FAQ page: http://www.hr-faq.org/ there is an amazing wealth of information there. One link alone, The Recording FAQ: http://www.phys.tue.nl/people/etimm...cordingFAQ.html is an amazing collection of information sources.

My suggestion is that we have a sticky thread at the top of the Mixing/Mastering and Recording Techniques forums (like there is in the Microphone forum) that links to the HR FAQ page, with a title something like this: "Upon pain of death, study this f@#king FAQ before posting on this forum... you have been warned!" Maybe a bit over the top, but the point is to get folks' attention and get them to read the FAQs.

But that's just me, and I'm weird.

Cheers,

Otto
 
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