What makes a song a hit

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But Lyon...

How can people listen & groove to what they never hear? And if it ain't on the market, they can't buy it, can they? Surely you don't think the video/radiowaves are "free," do you? Check my original post on this thread. Peep the 2nd link and check who's stamped their names on it.

On the indie tip, still costs loot, or a big trunk, lots of product, lots of gas, lots of shows, I guess this still means lots of loot, just not as much as "the machine " needs.

Once again, sad, but true...

I mean, people can't buy what one can't afford to record or manufacture.

Flo' Dolo
 
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I'd like to thank all of you who took the time to view this thread and respond. Most of those that responded seem to be conscious of the industry. Does anyone have any ideas or solutions about what can be done to change the way music is marketed?
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Yeah,














but that's out of the question:D





But on the real, I never thought about it like that, it really needs to be done.
But it would have to be a method(s) that the industry can't:

a.) Combat legally or crush easily with the power of $

b.) Coopt and use it for their own evil purposes...... mainly $

c.) Buy shares in or own

c.) Manipulate

d.) Say is unconstitutional

e.) Take political action against (lobbying, etc...)

I could say more, but...........
 
You could say more, but sadly, it STILL all goes back to dinero...:mad:

F.D.
 
a catchy hook under a crankin' beat being performed by either a true mic talker or an already established star.

i'm not going to bullsh*t you. i've got a single out right now, and I've had several DJs tell me that i was on to something worthwhile for my market.

the single (a go-go tune) was created for the purpose of
1) getting the artist enough attention to get gigs.
2) getting me enough attention in the city so that i could do other things (hip-hop/r&b) as a producer and be taken seriously.

i was told straight up by two DJs at the 2 biggest DC radio stations that i wasn't going to get spins if i didn't grease the rails.

to make a long story shorter, my single has been on the radio for the last 3 weeks. it doesn't spin in heavy rotation, but it spins and the desired effect is starting to come through.
 
So basically what you're saying is




It is a hopeless cause:(
 
Not exactly hopeless, but most definately Grade-A fucked ass up. The thought of having to "grease the rails" (no offense Crosstudio, I'm not one to knock the next man's hustle, by any means) makes me fucking sick. This tells me that even a track that's no good can be pushed and pumped and played like it's the hot ish, and fool/beat/brainwash the public into thinking they are hearing some top-quality shit.

The way it looks to me, most if not all have to subscribe to this payola bullshit to get airplay, or blow up in the clubs nationwide before any stations will take notice. Again, I make reference to the first page of posts on which I listed some informative links.

Looks like Crosstudio got in the game just like the next man, cuz that's the rules (for right now anyway).

Support your local/regional indie scene. Keep makin' tracks.

Hey Crosstudio...

You wrote:
" ... i was told straight up by two DJs at the 2 biggest DC radio stations that i wasn't going to get spins if i didn't grease the rails. ...to make a long story shorter, my single has been on the radio for the last 3 weeks. it doesn't spin in heavy rotation, but it spins and the desired effect is starting to come through."

Does this mean that with more "grease" your joint could be in heavy rotation? For real, duke. Just askin'...


Flo' Dolo
 
Flo' Dolo said:
Does this mean that with more "grease" your joint could be in heavy rotation? For real, duke. Just askin'...
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Actually I was wondering that too.








These small time Djs at the radio stations here make me sick with that crap, either money or weed. I know a few of em and they don't deserve the money. Here in NC, if you don't hit stations in several cities, you ain't gettin the exposure you need to do jack, so you gotta grease a whole lot of wheels if you want real rotation.:( F**k dat:mad:






Owning radio waves:mad:

Next we'll be freakin payin for air:(
 
Flo' Dolo:
YES! the more "grease" the more spins. then if the song catches fire, they play it for free.

i keep hearing tunes on the radio that aren't as good as 50% of what i hear on our BBS, but up until now i was not willing to play the game because i thought that eventually my tunes would get so good that the radio stations couldn't help but play it. then i started having real conversations with major market on-air personalities and their DJs and they set me straight on how the game is played.

"grease" comes in all types of flavors. money and weed are the faves, but hookups with women, tickets to a michael jordan wizards game, or club seats to a redskins game count as grease also.

my man is currently trying to "grease" things in the rocky mountain, NC area.

ps. BMI requires 12 cent every time a radio station plays a song. i can't say that i'm all too familiar with how they make their calculations or how many times a song has to spin before they even start counting it; however, at 12 cent (6 for the artist, 6 for the publisher) it will take a good number of spins to make any money... especially if you are just a local hit. but without it, you can't get good money to perform at clubs.

it amazes me how marginal hip-hop acts can breeze through DC and make serious cash simply because their track is familiar.
 
crosstudio said:
"grease" comes in all types of flavors. money and weed are the faves, but hookups with women, tickets to a michael jordan wizards game, or club seats to a redskins game count as grease also.
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Interesting.
 
If I were you, I wouldn't even phuck with the Dj's too much because they can promise you all kinds of shit and
A. not have the power to get your shit played or
B. not even make an ATTEMPT at comin thru on his half (This does vary from station to station tho') . You really need to holla at the PD or station Manager if you can. Take him/her to lunch and ask them how many CD's they need (Read the Salon article on urban Music stations to get the joke). Although things have REPORTEDLY settled down in the pop/rock world with blatant payola (still exists as ADD ON'S at 300-1500 USD a pop) the Hip hop/ urban Music stations are the wild wild west out there. Not neccisarily a suggestion, but if the CD's thing doesn't work I'd bring two Suge Night- lookin- muthaphuckas up to the office with me, close the meeting room door, and dare them skinny-ass moronic, overstated and jaded windbags to look me in the eye and tell me no. Like I said, not neccisarily a real suggestion
 
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