tombuur
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philboyd studge said:
If one thing is lame about Band in a Box, it's the drums. They sound so mechanical and unreal. BB may be fine for outlining a song and rehearsing. But drums, no.
In my experience good loops give the most realistic sounding drums. Unfortunately, loops are not very flexible. You are usually stuck with a rhythmic pattern with variations and fills, but sometimes it doesn't fit in and you can't find anything else in the collection that does. Also, you can't adjust individual drums, like increasing volume of kick drum. Here midi is a lot more flexible. But if you can find loops that suit your needs for a particular song, that's (in my view) what comes closest to a real drummer.
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Richard Monroe
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Toki, the trick is finding a drummer who's already been through rehab, and recording him before he dies of AIDS. I use Rimshot.-Richie
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tdukex
Man of the Muse
I either use MIDI (soundfonts) or ACIDized loops, depending on the project.
billyshuler
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I can't afford any drums so i use loops recorded by BETA MONKEY,works fine for me but i just write songs for fun anyways.
VesuviusJay
Poser Roaster
You guys have go to try PC drummer. Its the most versitile drum software available. http://www.pcdrummer.com
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pennylink
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I've used the BETA Monkey loops too.
A few of the loops don't work that well in terms of having clicks when you loop them together, but for the most part they're a great value and I've found them quite useful. The CD's are well laid out and make it easy to find the loop/style/tempo you're looking for. Lots of intros/fills/single hits too.
Keep an eye on their website http://www.betamonkeymusic.com/ . They had a "buy 1 get 1 free" special last week... $15.96 including shipping for about 2,000 loops (1,250 MB). What a deal!
A few of the loops don't work that well in terms of having clicks when you loop them together, but for the most part they're a great value and I've found them quite useful. The CD's are well laid out and make it easy to find the loop/style/tempo you're looking for. Lots of intros/fills/single hits too.
Keep an eye on their website http://www.betamonkeymusic.com/ . They had a "buy 1 get 1 free" special last week... $15.96 including shipping for about 2,000 loops (1,250 MB). What a deal!
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BetaMonkeyMusic
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I just wanted to thank everything for following the link to our site regarding the drum loops. The feedback is hugely appreciated.
It's nice to see guitar-based stuff is alive and well (despite what we always hear) and that you guys are hungry for real acoustic drum grooves.
If you are up for trying our grooves out for size, stop by and email me for the FREE stuff.
Thanks!
Chris
www.betamonkeymusic.com
It's nice to see guitar-based stuff is alive and well (despite what we always hear) and that you guys are hungry for real acoustic drum grooves.
If you are up for trying our grooves out for size, stop by and email me for the FREE stuff.
Thanks!
Chris
www.betamonkeymusic.com
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BetaMonkeyMusic
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I just wanted to thank everything for following the link to our site regarding the drum loops. The feedback is hugely appreciated.
It's nice to see guitar-based stuff is alive and well (despite what we always hear) and that you guys are hungry for real acoustic drum grooves.
If you are up for trying our grooves out for size, stop by and email me for the FREE stuff.
Thanks!
Chris
www.betamonkeymusic.com
It's nice to see guitar-based stuff is alive and well (despite what we always hear) and that you guys are hungry for real acoustic drum grooves.
If you are up for trying our grooves out for size, stop by and email me for the FREE stuff.
Thanks!
Chris
www.betamonkeymusic.com
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adam
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this has been a struggle for me too. in writing and recording I feel I do well with guitar and bass, ok with vocals and piano.
I am terrible at percussion. Where it has worked in in simple beat keeping capacities. For homemade stuff, I have found good results with nontraditional methods (mic thrown in a guitar case, watch wrapped around a mic, slapping on the desk), field recordings (construction sites, traffic, etc.) and guitar snippets (scraping, hitting, etc.) and then modding them through effects, either outboard or in the computer, including time streching.
While cool to me, it has its limits, especially when it comes to fills and variety. I am just not that creative with beats.
My other option has been much more fruitful. I belong to this site called tapeworm.org. They have other musicians from around the world that post clips, loops, field recordings. They have people who are very good with beats. So I found some clips, and then contact the artist, show him what I want and they provide other parts, specifically for the song. It is great and much better than what I have come up with myself.
Give it a try.
I am terrible at percussion. Where it has worked in in simple beat keeping capacities. For homemade stuff, I have found good results with nontraditional methods (mic thrown in a guitar case, watch wrapped around a mic, slapping on the desk), field recordings (construction sites, traffic, etc.) and guitar snippets (scraping, hitting, etc.) and then modding them through effects, either outboard or in the computer, including time streching.
While cool to me, it has its limits, especially when it comes to fills and variety. I am just not that creative with beats.
My other option has been much more fruitful. I belong to this site called tapeworm.org. They have other musicians from around the world that post clips, loops, field recordings. They have people who are very good with beats. So I found some clips, and then contact the artist, show him what I want and they provide other parts, specifically for the song. It is great and much better than what I have come up with myself.
Give it a try.
tombuur
New member
Yeah, I think I am into some drum loop/sample acquiring syndrome. Now you just made me order 3 cd's from betamonkey.
Last week I got some samples from Sonic Implants because some of you recommended them here. However, in the song I tested out the hihats sounded like farts, or more like the sound of opening a bottle of fizzy drink perhaps. Actually the cheap Roland virtual sound canvas sounds a lot better on the midi song I wanted to improve.
Tapeworm sounds interesting, I will have a look.
Last week I got some samples from Sonic Implants because some of you recommended them here. However, in the song I tested out the hihats sounded like farts, or more like the sound of opening a bottle of fizzy drink perhaps. Actually the cheap Roland virtual sound canvas sounds a lot better on the midi song I wanted to improve.
Tapeworm sounds interesting, I will have a look.
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adam
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tombuur said:
Yeah, it is neat. I have more of a composition, guitar based style most of the folks on the site are more percussion/loops/electronic based. So it is a good mix - I bring melody, lyrics, guitars etc. and they provide cool beats, synths etc. Good bunch of people.
VesuviusJay
Poser Roaster
Check out a sample of what you can do with PC drummer. Of course its more for the accoustic requirement, but you can do some great stuff, including tempo changes, time signiture changes, fills and doublestops. The best part is, you can take your favorite single drum .wavs and create your own kit that PC drummer uses. Anyway try this track out and see what you think of the sequenced drum track. It is definately so far the most "real" sounding and feeling sequencer of the multitude I have tried.
http://www.vesuviusdeath.com/AMrhythm.zip
http://www.vesuviusdeath.com/AMrhythm.zip
tombuur
New member
Just want to add that after the recommendations in this thread, I ordered and now got 3 cd's from Beta Monkey, and they are great.
I have other drum loops that sound fine, but are too busy or complex for most songs. Telling Chris at Beta Monkey what I needed, I got 3 cd's with mainly simple straight ahead rock, pop, alternative rhythms. And having tested them with a couple of midi songs they fit in fine. Also, they sound better than the midi drums in the otherwise profesionally arranged midi songs.
Best of all, don't let the low price fool you. They are good. Until now I have paid 3-10 times as much for the same number of loops of similar quality. And if you are European like me, contact Chris directly to have the cd's specially mailed. In my case he only charged $2 extra for overseas, and I still got them within a week.
I have other drum loops that sound fine, but are too busy or complex for most songs. Telling Chris at Beta Monkey what I needed, I got 3 cd's with mainly simple straight ahead rock, pop, alternative rhythms. And having tested them with a couple of midi songs they fit in fine. Also, they sound better than the midi drums in the otherwise profesionally arranged midi songs.
Best of all, don't let the low price fool you. They are good. Until now I have paid 3-10 times as much for the same number of loops of similar quality. And if you are European like me, contact Chris directly to have the cd's specially mailed. In my case he only charged $2 extra for overseas, and I still got them within a week.
cellardweller
New member
A little off topic, but not too far off.
I am a guitar player who has a nodding aquaintance with playing drums, and am seriously thinking about getting a kit. So based on past experiences, what would be the pros and cons?
I've heard a lot of good things about Mapex, and have been looking at their lower priced stuff. Nice looking drums.
(*ahem* spammers aside)
I am a guitar player who has a nodding aquaintance with playing drums, and am seriously thinking about getting a kit. So based on past experiences, what would be the pros and cons?
I've heard a lot of good things about Mapex, and have been looking at their lower priced stuff. Nice looking drums.
(*ahem* spammers aside)
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RSonance
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First choice for me is a live drummer. But I like ACID a lot, it's fast for getting grooves to jam to or putting together rhythm tracks with bass. No more drum machines for me, I'm a slow programmer.
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Dani Pace
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A 5 piece CB700 and 6 cymbals, recorded over a click track is pretty standard for me.
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Dexter411
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Over click? Wow, I've never been able to record over anything less than scratch guitar-tracks. I can keep time with a click but I can't get creative when all I have is a tone for 3 minutes.
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JasonBird
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My Premier Kit..
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A GUY NAMED JON
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Akia MPC2000XL is my drummer.
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