vetta vs cybertwin

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I am in G.A.S. hell. I am buying everything I see and now I am amp shopping. My wife says our bedroom looks like a music store. Anyway I am wanting to strip down my amp set-up and these 2 amps are calling my name like a siren's song of debt. I live in a small town with no local music store. I have found 1 cybertwin in a town 33 miles away and found a Vetta about 50 miles in the opposite direction.

I just want some opinions on these amps in the following catagories:
1: sound quality (I play a little bit of everything ie. jazz-metal)
2: reliability
3: recordability
4: bang for buck
5: ease of use

Everybody I really appreciate any help. I have not bought a new amp in over 15 years so this isn't a whimsical deal. I am sick of turning knobs on a one deminsional solid state amp and getting frustration instead of tone.

PeAcE
 
Don't neglect the Johnson Millenium 150 -harder to find but very impressive. Much better floor controller than the CyberTwin -not to mention better lead/hevier tones in my opinion.

Jason
 
I like the tones on the CyberTwin. It nails the clean Fender tone, and has some really nice effects. It doesn't do the super-heavy thing very well, but if you're buying a Fender, you probably don't care. The only thing I dislike is all those motorized knobs. It just looks like it will be busted in 5 years. But for 1200$, it's a good deal.

I like the sound of the Vetta too. It has some really killer amp models, and it is very user friendly. In particular, an amp model called Chaos X (or something like that, my tryout was a while ago) really sounded awesome to me. I think it's light years apart from my POD, the effects are better, the models are better, the usability factor is incredible. However, I have a hard time justifying an 1800$ amp. That just seems like a lot of money to me.

You need to take your guitar, and take two separate trips to the two guitar shops. Trust me, you don't want to blow 1200 on a CyberTwin or $1800 on a Vetta without really putting them through at least an hour of work.
 
So far the best comments I've seen on one of these types of amps have been about the Vox Valvesonic amps. I would want to try out one of those if I was looking for a new amp...
 
I really like all styles of music. I know some people say that and then only play one style but, I seriously do play everything to some extent. So if the Fender isn't good for heavy music (ie metallica, old van halen, joe satriani) I might not be interested in the CyberTwin.

However, I have heard that the Vetta might not clean up well for jazz or classical (ie Chet, Mark knophler).

I just don't want to limit myself to one sound. I own a POD and it will get you several different sounds but they all tend to sound similar. I have always heard your true tone is in your fingers so possibly that is why they sound so alike.

I will also hunt out the Vox and the johnson however, I live in a fairly isolated music store wise area.

PeAcE
 
1: sound quality (I play a little bit of everything ie. jazz-metal)
-It can do Creed but not Metallica (well, on it's own anyway..) Check out http://patchwizard.com and write down some of the submitted C-T presets to take with you to try when you demo the amp. Also, be sure to set the Timbre setting to "The Razors Edge", this will help add that "tube" sound that some people say the C-T can't do. It also makes the "heavier" presets sound much better. Speaking of the heavier presets, try using the Modern and HMB drive circuitries. The Tweed and Blackface get real bass farty when the gain is cranked. My fav is HMB, though It would be nice if it more gain.
2: reliability
-There are some known "tube rattle" problems but other than that it seems very reliable, I wouldn't worry about the motorized knobs.
3: recordability
-Great! I've used it to record some blues direct through the XLR's. http://dabluesman.com Just mute the speakers with a headphone plug and turn up the master volume.
4: bang for buck
-After getting the C-T, I sold my multieffects pedal. Great effects and great sound at any volume.
5: ease of use
-Very easy to use! Its an amp, turn the knobs. If you have Tweed tone stack selected then the knobs will sound and act like a Tweed amp. Same thing with any of the tone stacks: Blackface, HMB (Marshall, older Fender Bassman copy), and Modern (DynaTouch). The knobs will sound and act like which tone stack you select. It's freak'n Sweet!
 
The Vetta is not really like the POD. IMO, it sounds like a completely different take on the models that were there before, and some of the new ones really show how far they have come in the last 3 years.

That said, the Cyber-Twin has better clean sounds. This is just the nature of real tubes versus modeled tubes. But the Vetta has better distorted sounds, and the ability to combine two different sounds in one patch. The effects are great on both. The usability is pretty good for both.

I really think you must try them out for yourself. I don't think anyone can make the decision for you when the amp costs over 1000$. And listening to samples online is ridiculous, you will never find "your" sound in a bunch of online samples; the only way you do that is by playing with the amp yourself and seeing if it's there for you.
 
My $0.02:

Granted, these are both rackmountable (not combos), but they seem to fit your needs:

1) Sansamp PSA-1. Great shimmering cleans, chunky rhythms, screaming leads. And it actually reacts like a real amp should (unlike a lot of modelers). I prefer guitar rock/metal. However, I play blues, country, classic rock, and pop rock live. The PSA-1 is able to fit the bill for all these requirements. Come to think of it, there are some great Tech 21 combos that you may want to consider. Ther're a little harder to find, but well worth it (unless you need to be a lemming).

2) Mesa/Boogie TriAxis. Even more shimmering cleans, crunchy rhythm, and balls-to-the-wall leads. I personally have the Quad, but the Triaxis does everything the Quad does and also does Recto. Major programmability in this preamp. For me, I would use the quad live, but the PSA-1 is more practical. Thus, I am able to tap the tones of the Quad purely for practice and recording. Once I get the TriAxis, I will be in tone heaven!

Eh, I ramble... And these aren't even combos.


Keep in mind that you will not be able to find a do-it-all amp that somehow doesn't retain a certain characteristic tone of its own regardless of the setting.



Matt
 
I don't intend to be a lemming nor do I intend to buy one without trying it out first however, I am in the predicamint of not having both amps at the same store to check out. I am going to go to a music store Saturday to try out the cybertwin. It is in a town 30 some odd miles away. The Vetta that I was going to demo at another store 50 miles away got sold this week and the next closest dealer is about 80 miles in the other direction.

Another store said they would order in both and let me give them both a try side by side which is what I want to do. I just hate for a store to order high dollar equipment for me to just get a listen. That isn't really fair to the dealer. I may love one or the other or hate them both and then they get stuck with inventory that is pretty hard to move.

I am not normally this sympathetic to merchants but, I would hate to have my few and sparse music stores get raped by me.

Anyway, I just want opinions based on others subjective view of tone. Just because someone says "it's the best amp ever" doesn't sell me on it. Nor does a "that sucks" put me off. Both opinions help me make a decision. I ain't rolling in $$$$$$ and this is one of the tougher decisions musically I can make.

Keep em coming all suggestions are definitely opening my ears and eyes to other possibilities.
 
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