Undo/Redo and Delete

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Someone was mentioning (may have been on the Fostex site) being confused about the undo/redo, 'delete unused', free space, and the poor explanation in the manual.

I checked the manual last night and it is clearly incorrect. If you repeatedly record over a track and then check the card, there will be many more wav files than expected. A check of the .ADL shows many of these associated with individual tracks.

The manual implies a single "undo file", and also states that 'undo' functionality gets lost when the machine is shut off. Clearly not correct considering what gets left on the card.

I'll shoot this one off to tech support.
 
I personally don't even use the undo/redo function. I just re-record right over anything I don't like. The delete unused restores all the unused time. I haven't figured out why the undo/redo function actually exists.


bd
 
Like I said, the undo/redo should be called new take, which is a more accurate description of it's job. The manual reminds me of the Roland manuals that we used to 'translate' in the 80's. It's badly written and the layout leaves a lot to be desired. It's a good thing we have the internet and this BBS to share ideas.
 
bdbdbuck said:
The delete unused restores all the unused time.

bd
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What some of us are seeing is that 'delete undo' does not always restore space after recording over a track. I often find four or more 'takes' saved on the card, even after dleting the undo file.

I'm not sure what sequence of events causes these wavs to accumulate, or what combination of moving tracks frees them up, but it's definitely not working as described.
 
mrx said:
What some of us are seeing is that 'delete undo' does not always restore space after recording over a track. I often find four or more 'takes' saved on the card, even after dleting the undo file.

I'm not sure what sequence of events causes these wavs to accumulate, or what combination of moving tracks frees them up, but it's definitely not working as described.
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That definately explains why there is still missing time unaccounted for even after hitting the delete unused funtion. MRX, are u using the PC to see all the files or are you using the MR-8 screen?

clif
 
The PC. It freaked me out, because I couldn't tell which wavs were my "keeper" takes. And the manual clearly states that 'undo' capability is lost when the power if turned off...

It's almost like recording over one track, then doing the same on another track, then moving back to the first track causes the MR-8 to 'forget' the most recent undo file, causing them to build up.

For example:
Step 1: Record on track 1
Step 2: Re-record on track, but don't 'delete unused'
Step 3: Record on track 2
Step 4: re-record on track 2, but don't 'delete unused'
Step 5: Re-record on track 1, this time deleting unused.

I'll bet the only thing that gets deleted is the undo file from step 5.

I have sent the question to Fostex.
 
Good Job MRX. I can't wait to see what Fostex have to say about this one.
 
Still no word from Fostex.

(Back when folks were getting the run around concerning the headphone distortion issue, I launched a diatribe about using customers as beta testers, so maybe now they forward my emails directly to the trash bin... )
 
I guess, at the end of the day, it's a product that will have to work out it's bugs. So we are beta testers. But what's the alternative? Wait a year until the bugs are fixed or buy a more expensive machine, which will probably have problems as well. I have confidence in Fostex to get to the bottom of this. They probably don't have an answer yet and don't want to admit it.
 
They just caught me on a bad day. I had been through the Tascam PS5, which was released in a horrific state, along with blatantly misleading advertising, and the Korg PXR4, which has the amazing built-in ability to forbid the import of tracks from a computer. When the tech guy at Fostex suggested a I had a bad machine (even though I clearly stated that many users had the same problem), I just lost it.

In reality Fostex has been awesome - the fact that they have already released a new OS to address the card issue should really send a wake up call to companies who throw crap out on the market and just let it wallow.

Given the back-order situation, they clearly have a winner on their hands, and a great community we have built here.
 
Shame on that Fostex guy. Doesn't he know that the customer is always right. :)
MRX, you frustration is understandable. I love all this digital gear, but I don't trust any of it. I had a PS02 before this and it was a moody little thing. This seems to be the price we have to pay for getting a piece of gear that 20 years ago would have cost tens of thousands of dollars for 300 bucks. Like dyuob says, "enjoy the ride. " Hopefully we can squeeze some great music out of these devices while we endure the ride.
 
I've gotta say that this is one of the most active forums on this BBS. I've learned a lot from you guys. Some of you should be working for Fostex customer service.


bd
 
Hey guys. That problem is something I've encountered just recently. When I messed up recording something, I'd hit the undo button, then go to delete unused, and sometimes (but not always), it wouldn't free up space! I'd end up with the same amount of recording time I had after that unwanted bit of recording. So no one here or at Fostex knows what's up with this? Please keep me posted if anyone finds out anything.

By the way, you all have been very helpful when it comes to sharing experiences and tips for this machine. Someone like me's a novice at recording, so it's great to have a forum like this. THanks!
 
marcacho said:
Hey guys. That problem is something I've encountered just recently. When I messed up recording something, I'd hit the undo button, then go to delete unused, and sometimes (but not always), it wouldn't free up space! I'd end up with the same amount of recording time I had after that unwanted bit of recording. So no one here or at Fostex knows what's up with this? Please keep me posted if anyone finds out anything.

By the way, you all have been very helpful when it comes to sharing experiences and tips for this machine. Someone like me's a novice at recording, so it's great to have a forum like this. THanks!
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I have the same problem sometimes. MRX knows more about this, but use your PC to check the MR-8 drive, there still may be some other track fragments on your MR-8 that have not been deleted.

clif
 
I just heard back from Fostex. Matt (again) said it took so long because he asked Japan, and, yada,yada,yada, they didn't understand the question.

I replied with my new findings about virtual tracks and asked that they either repair "delete unused", or fully explain how it should work, since the manual is clearly in error. We shall see...

At first the support from 'masaki' was great, but this 'Matt' character is giving Fostex a bad name.
 
Let me get this straight (I didn't have my MR-8 when I first read this thread). Because of reading this thread I have not even used undo/redo. When I messed up I would either delete the track or do the delete unused. It seemed to put back the time, but I can't be totally sure it put back all the time.
This brings up another question. I haven't got multitrack software on my PC yet. If delete unused does not delete all of the unused files will I be able to listen to the files separately on my PC to figure out which one is the keeper?
 
I am not sure. All I know that If I use the FOstex WAVE MANAGER, I can only pull the tracks that are on the MR-8 tracks. I hear that if you use the USB connection though (or card reader if you have win 98) you can look into the MR-8 to see those track fragments that you have not deleted. But then there is the question of them syncing properly etc. I tend to just re take until I get my track right in order to aviod any confusion.



clif
 
clifchamb said:
I am not sure. All I know that If I use the FOstex WAVE MANAGER, I can only pull the tracks that are on the MR-8 tracks. I hear that if you use the USB connection though (or card reader if you have win 98) you can look into the MR-8 to see those track fragments that you have not deleted. But then there is the question of them syncing properly etc. I tend to just re take until I get my track right in order to aviod any confusion.



clif
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By doing a re-take do you mean deleting the track?
 
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