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clifchamb
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gospel said:
No, I mean just recording over a part again(on the same track ie. punch in /out) that I am not happy with such as a verse chorus etc.
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No, I mean just recording over a part again(on the same track ie. punch in /out) that I am not happy with such as a verse chorus etc.
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marcacho
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That's what I usually do. If it's just a minor mistake, I'll go back and record over that part. One good method I sometimes use to record is to record parts of a song in fragments (verse and chorus, then stop), just in case I mess up and won't have to delete a whole track. I'll only delete that fragment I recorded. I have to be sure to sync it at the right moment, but it's not that hard to do.
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gospel
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marcacho said:
Does this keep you from having numerous files on the PC to figure out which is the keeper?
bdbdbuck
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I think I see whats goin on here, let me see. (don't mind me...I'm just a little slow)
If i screw up (uh......when I screw up) on track 1, it is my standard practice to just re-take without pushing "undo/redo".
After about the fifth screw-up I normally go to "erase track".
I then "delete unused", which ALWAYS gives me my time back.
The glitch here is when you do a re-take and it flys......and you have two or three takes in there that you didn't erase, there is no way to get rid of them unless you download into the computer and erase them there. Because you haven't used the undo/redo button. Or is this not what you are referring to? Or does the undo/redo button create a file that won't go away unless you download?
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If i screw up (uh......when I screw up) on track 1, it is my standard practice to just re-take without pushing "undo/redo".
After about the fifth screw-up I normally go to "erase track".
I then "delete unused", which ALWAYS gives me my time back.
The glitch here is when you do a re-take and it flys......and you have two or three takes in there that you didn't erase, there is no way to get rid of them unless you download into the computer and erase them there. Because you haven't used the undo/redo button. Or is this not what you are referring to? Or does the undo/redo button create a file that won't go away unless you download?
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morindae
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What really complicates the oparation here is that when you are in Punchin/Punchout mode, the manual says that if you use the undo/redo button it will remove the locate A and locate B points. This is obviously not desireable if you are performing an auto punch. For example; you are now performing a punch in. You make a mistake. As stated above, you can't use the undo/redo button. The only option is to record over again, which leaves the other take in the MR8. Do this a few times (as I have done) and you end up with a lot of junk wave files on the CF card. Delete unused doesn't seem to work on these.
Like some of you, I have discovered that erasing the track and then performing delete unused will return the lost time. However, when recording a punch in it gets really complicated. It shouldn't be this difficult to figure this out, but it is. I wish Fostex would sort this nonsense out. They don't seem to have answered mrx on this issue, and all of us are confused. Something is definitely fishy here.
Like some of you, I have discovered that erasing the track and then performing delete unused will return the lost time. However, when recording a punch in it gets really complicated. It shouldn't be this difficult to figure this out, but it is. I wish Fostex would sort this nonsense out. They don't seem to have answered mrx on this issue, and all of us are confused. Something is definitely fishy here.
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clifchamb
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I am the punch in/out King and I bet that is why I am still losing time despite using the "delete unused" funtion. I DO hit the undo button after I don't like the take but I have been lazy lately and just leave it alone then wipe out the unused later on. Still, it doesn't add up....
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morindae
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What the manual doesn't tell you is that you also have to erase the track to get back all the used time. That is a real pain in the ass when you're trying to be creative. Too much button punching and scrolling. I spent all last night trying this and ended up with a lot of junk wave files. It's really very tedious. However, I believe between all of us and Fostex we will solve the problem.
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gospel
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I haven't even worked with the punch in and out thing yet, but the last few posts have brought up a question. Could you mark the part of the track that you messed up on and just delete that part of the track and then do delete unused? Would there still be a file on the card of the deleted part?
Where I stand this doesn't really matter as long as I can listen to the files on my PC to see what is the keeper and what is not. Can you listen to the files one by one once you get them in n-track?
Where I stand this doesn't really matter as long as I can listen to the files on my PC to see what is the keeper and what is not. Can you listen to the files one by one once you get them in n-track?
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clifchamb
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I can only answer the first question. Yes you can delete part of a track and leave the rest look in the manual under "erase song part". I am not sure if that will help with memory too much though.
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bdbdbuck
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I think everything you erase goes into a "scrap pile" for lack of a better word, and delete unused erases all that stuff. The trick is to have all that extraneous garbage in it's rightful place and deleted before you move on to the next phase of recording.
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morindae
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What you have to do is erase the track part and then do the delete unused function. The only problem with this is that you have to be careful to keep doing this on a regular basis or else you will lose track (no pun) of what is sitting in the machine. This is quite a tap dance when you are trying to be creative.
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gospel
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Thanks alot. I am no longer mixed up (at least on this issue).
bdbdbuck
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Morindae,
For me it's not so much squelching my creativity as it is getting it right on the first take. I just started playing seriously again back in November after a 17 year layoff. I just don't have it back yet. It's quite frustrating! Yes, it is like riding a bike.......but I damn near killed myself showing my kid how to pull a wheelie on his bike last fall. So much for that analogy.
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For me it's not so much squelching my creativity as it is getting it right on the first take. I just started playing seriously again back in November after a 17 year layoff. I just don't have it back yet. It's quite frustrating! Yes, it is like riding a bike.......but I damn near killed myself showing my kid how to pull a wheelie on his bike last fall. So much for that analogy.
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bdbdbucksKID
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undo/redo
Not sure if my Fostex has the same application as yours while using the undo/redo button...but it is a life saver for me. I am able to playback my track and undo if not satisfied...I made the mistake in the beginning of recording on top of the inital scene/track instead of undoing, boy what a messy program that ended up being. I have gotten into the habit of erasing the entire program if something like that happens and starting fresh.
Btw, the manuals read like and ESL student essay!!! It took me a long time to figure things out for that very reason!
Not sure if my Fostex has the same application as yours while using the undo/redo button...but it is a life saver for me. I am able to playback my track and undo if not satisfied...I made the mistake in the beginning of recording on top of the inital scene/track instead of undoing, boy what a messy program that ended up being. I have gotten into the habit of erasing the entire program if something like that happens and starting fresh.
Btw, the manuals read like and ESL student essay!!! It took me a long time to figure things out for that very reason!
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mrx
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Well, I got another response from Fostex...
They claim that the previous takes are only erased if your last take is "longer".
I quote:
"To avoid this from happening;
Try recording the last take longer than any of the previous examle."
I guess their thought is that the longest take is the 'whole song', and anything else is a punch in. So, yes, deleting the whole track is the answer. The problem is if you are using this like a scratch pad, or re-take to fix a mistake, every attempt has to be a millisecond longer than the previous to get your space back. Perhaps this is where "redo" comes into play.
So I responded that this is absurd, and asked what are the plans for fixing it, etc. There has to be an option to smack everything except the last take.
They claim that the previous takes are only erased if your last take is "longer".
I quote:
"To avoid this from happening;
Try recording the last take longer than any of the previous examle."
I guess their thought is that the longest take is the 'whole song', and anything else is a punch in. So, yes, deleting the whole track is the answer. The problem is if you are using this like a scratch pad, or re-take to fix a mistake, every attempt has to be a millisecond longer than the previous to get your space back. Perhaps this is where "redo" comes into play.
So I responded that this is absurd, and asked what are the plans for fixing it, etc. There has to be an option to smack everything except the last take.
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morindae
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That really is nonsense if you are using the auto punch and have located points A and B. Are we then supposed to change the locate point everytime to avoid this confusion. They really need to get into the program and make some changes.
By the way, bdbdbuck, welcome back to playing again. I guess we are both in the same boat. I retired from the business in '91. I managed to keep playing despite going back to school to get a degree so that I could get a decent paying job. The game is to keep playing so that you can get yourself back into the zone. My hands are now better than ever and I love the freedom of not having to please anyone but myself when I record and play. I'm a much better musician for it.
Keep on playing man, and remember to erase the track or track part, delete unused and make your last take longer if you fall off the bike....
By the way, bdbdbuck, welcome back to playing again. I guess we are both in the same boat. I retired from the business in '91. I managed to keep playing despite going back to school to get a degree so that I could get a decent paying job. The game is to keep playing so that you can get yourself back into the zone. My hands are now better than ever and I love the freedom of not having to please anyone but myself when I record and play. I'm a much better musician for it.
Keep on playing man, and remember to erase the track or track part, delete unused and make your last take longer if you fall off the bike....
bdbdbuck
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Thanks morindae,
I didn't completely quit, but the guitar would only come out of the case about once every six months or so. Even then I only played long enough to write a song that was buggin me, or until the fact that I no longer had calliuses would piss me off then, back in the case for another six months or so. I've got it bad right now, in fact I'm almost beginning to entertain the idea of maybe giggin again. That'll go over with my wife like a fart in church. I am starting to get my fingers back, the left hand anyway. It's weird, but my right hand is the stubborn one! Completely missing the string.....hell there's only six! I don't remember how I used to do it. I know on the electric, I used to rest the heel of my hand on the back of the bridge, muting strings was a mere matter of a slight roll of the hand. The acoustic is a different story because of my style of playing....I'm more of a "flatpicker". Perhaps my wrist just doesn't have the flexibility it once had, I don't know. Oh well, I continue to work on it.
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I didn't completely quit, but the guitar would only come out of the case about once every six months or so. Even then I only played long enough to write a song that was buggin me, or until the fact that I no longer had calliuses would piss me off then, back in the case for another six months or so. I've got it bad right now, in fact I'm almost beginning to entertain the idea of maybe giggin again. That'll go over with my wife like a fart in church. I am starting to get my fingers back, the left hand anyway. It's weird, but my right hand is the stubborn one! Completely missing the string.....hell there's only six! I don't remember how I used to do it. I know on the electric, I used to rest the heel of my hand on the back of the bridge, muting strings was a mere matter of a slight roll of the hand. The acoustic is a different story because of my style of playing....I'm more of a "flatpicker". Perhaps my wrist just doesn't have the flexibility it once had, I don't know. Oh well, I continue to work on it.
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morindae
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There's nothing quite like letting one rip in a church. Ahh....those were the days.
There are some amazing videos that deal with guitar technique. It will save you a lot of time in the end.
There are some amazing videos that deal with guitar technique. It will save you a lot of time in the end.
FatBoy_Krawl
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bdbdbuck said:
LOL, I know that feeling all too well. I have a Ibanez RG270-DX and bought a Regal RD35-B Dobro. I feel like I did when I started playing umpteen years ago. Slapping the E when you meant to hit the A and so on. Just need to get used to both, though I'm enjoying my dobro so much more.
