truth B2031A is that last berry product ill buy

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COOLCAT said:
hell, i'd at least call them and ask for a replacement or something?

as far as buying again, i don't blame you...but why not use the warranty or maybe ship back for full warranty, they pay shipping sometimes i've read.

how old are they or were they before the buzzing started?

good luck...
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heres the deal. I bought them in January this year. The buzzing started like after 2 months. Yea I lived with it for this long. but after reading the warranty(warning :) ) I got discuraged cause it said if it was not a warranty part or if it is was determined that it was me that caused it then they would charge me for it. And they would send it back COD. also it weighs 30lb
 
COOLCAT said:
He started changing the subject from speakers to the room acoustics....they go hand in hand.
You may have to invest in the room to enjoy the benefits of the higher end sht at some point. I could agree with this concept.

I can dig it, In a drywall bedroom with a noisy upstairs neighbor and a big window next to your surf board and mixing equipment it probably doesn't justify $3,000 speakers.....
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Your physics buddy kind of missed a major point, and that is that we are talking about near-field monitors. Because they are positioned close to the listener, the room plays a smaller part than in mid-field or large monitors. Yes, the room is important too, but there is less interaction than with larger monitors.

In other words, with near-fields you don't need a tuned room to enjoy the benefits of using better monitors. Yes, a tuned room would be *better*, but absent that, there's no excuse to throw up your hands and use lousy monitoring.

Some good monitor suggestions have been made in this thread already. I'd also suggest checking out KRK monitors, and the smaller Mackie 624's (or the 824's if you have the bread). I've also worked on DynAudio monitors and thought they were excellent. They have a smaller monitor that's not too expensive. I use Mackie HR 824's and KRK V4's in my studio.
 
Altiris,
once again thats the problem with saving some money buying online instead of at the local shop- return and repair shipping costs.
good luck, maybe they can fix them over the phone or send you a tweeter?

Sonic, i know what your saying Nearfields reduce the room effect, but i went thru this "self confusion" recently due to all the monitor banter of being flat and all the techno-talk.

So I hooked up an RTA setup to see for myself. This is what i do for work, test voltages, calibrations, oscopes on equipment, precision sht on expensive tools(many over Million$).
So this RTA stuff is pretty good. Not to split hairs and get anal, but if I turned up the treble the plot followed immediately, if I turned off the sub -woofer the plot followed immediately. Now was it 30hz or 38hz 3db or 3.7db, I didn't get that into it. Sound is a grey-area somewhat, like measuring dewpoint, but its the best we have.

So the Real Time Analyzer is real, imo....quantifiable data, repeatable data, and to me more believeable than someone saying "i listened to the X5's at GC and they were REAL FLAT!!! So I bought them!!..the 2331's weren't flat!!"
Its all relevant.

so my data showed, even with Nearfields, a noticeable effect with acoustic panels....in my room the side traps could really shift the plot and offered a critical control knob. In more detail it was the portable trap on the right, the one in front of my window. i call it my "room tuner", kinda like those $14 guitar tuners...my RTA works, but it ain't a $1200 CONN strobe tuner.

yeah, unfortunately my physics-brain buddy doesn't record music, he's a home theater nut.
 
COOLCAT said:
Sonic, i know what your saying Nearfields reduce the room effect, but i went thru this "self confusion" recently due to all the monitor banter of being flat and all the techno-talk.
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Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. Using nearfields you sit closer so there is less room effect. But it is certainly still there and affects the mix.
 
altiris said:
heres the deal. I bought them in January this year. The buzzing started like after 2 months. Yea I lived with it for this long. but after reading the warranty(warning :) ) I got discuraged cause it said if it was not a warranty part or if it is was determined that it was me that caused it then they would charge me for it. And they would send it back COD. also it weighs 30lb
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I don't get it, the Behri threads and their quality..... are people really saving any money?

and in the case of the 2031A? there are many speakers in the $350 range?

i've a friend who just bought some 2031a's, loves the sound, the active, their new....but will they last? Dot and Dan Richards, pro level, said they sounded good compared to the Mackies 824, not as good, but for the cost savings REALLY GOOD....

but wait...

Reliability. this we can't hear.

Never hear about Mackie 824 blowing woofers, amps burning up or tweeters sizzling??not in 3 months or 10 months?

ah its a great mental collage.... :rolleyes:


Altiris, You didn't really say you didn't like the sound, er...until the tweeter fried?

good luck, getting a replacement. Hopefully its the tweeter and not the amplifier...Have you swapped tweetrs and see if the problem is in the cabinet/amp or the speaker??


yeah, Sonic...degree's i like that. yeah, once you get some good-cheap stuff level, like DMP3/RNC/YSM1P/BLUES JR AMP....you have a really decent setup without the cost....maybe not DYNBM15A's...but good RELIABLE stuff that is around $300 per piece.
I'm trying to go from the $300 to the $1,000 which is where there may be another noticeable difference....but without the skills, $300 range you can make great mixes and have a damn lot of fun...

with that said I have to go..wheel and deal some sht to pay for my YSM1P's coming 20th...can't wait to hear 'em, been reading about them for 2years!
if they don't don't trip me out, i'll be working a 2nd for some DYN5A's!
 
again Iv posted on berries ad space on catalogs. Their gear is boasted by the companies as a low price high quality. One ad I saw called the berry product "the David of the Goliath gear industry." The reason I chose the truths was that it had more options like room acoustics compensation and XLR and 1/4. and so on. The ad said it had more features than other monitors in the price range. plus I was a noob. And I think that’s what catches most noobs. we all want to save a buck. but we learn. but I must say their prices look very tempting. I know there’s some berry gear that some say actually work and recommend if you want to be cheap.
 
hell, i've wasted so much i don't want to think about it....live and learn.

but marketing and hype, its sad in the Audio world there's no legal system.
At work they have Standards, OSHA for high voltage electrical or specifications....they do this on food, medicne....

but Audio...nothing. Hell I could start selling speakers and post a Flat graph from 20hz to 20Khz without taking a measurement and there's no re-course.

or I can say I'm a Mastering Pro Engineer... no worrys! just BS?

Audio world, we're left with our ears to decide and real-people posts..it seems.

i hope my friend doesn't get burnt on his 2031's, he doesn't have any money to get ripped off on, like most of us....
sometimes $339 is a huge chunk of $$...sad, but true.

or maybe we're supposed to say "hey! they lasted 8 months...i only paid $300..no problem, i can chuck 'em and buy new ones..." :eek:
 
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It would be nice to have a non-profit organization like the consumer report magazine but for audio and recording to give you unbiased info on gear. that way they can test it run it and see how well it performs like for mic's how it would sound with different voice types and how versatile it really is. or what cheap gear can actually stand up to the big boys. Run many tests before giving a rating. And its nonprofit that way money will not change the outcome of a rating. In a perfect world that would be nice. But everything today is money driven. Maybe I can request to consumer report to review audio gear too since there is a surge in home audio recording interest.
 
I believe they already do report on consumer electronics like stereo systems and that sort of thing. Most likely, recording gear is too specialized to be of much interest to them.
 
i've a friend that had jbls 4xxx's for 10-15years!! solid usage...
thats quality.

all these newbie companys, ??
time will tell if they last that long, i highly doubt it..
 
I've worked with many different levels of monitors. For anyone starting out, I always suggest the M-Audio BX8s. Mine have had flawless performance for two years now and have never been the limiting factor around here.

I just got a Behringer patchbay that I'm nervous about. I might just sell it and pick up something better. The stuff scares the hell out of me.
 
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