" Tick....tick....tick...."

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Im thinking thats exactly what it sounds like, but 55bpm is too fast for an electric fence.

That would all depend on the fence...... just doing a google search for "electric fence manuals, cycles per minute" I found the following (from various manufacturers):

a range from 35 to 80 pulses per minute (ppm)

65 ppm

40-60 ppm

42-66 ppm (Electrobraid.com.)

That last one was 50 ppm facory set - but could be adjusted to 7 different pulse counts so you could tune it in to what ever worked best with your particular animal.

So I don't see a problem with 55 ppm - especially if he wasn't sitting there developing data tracking for days at a time to really zero it in to the true pulse rating.

Electric pulses from standard dirty power would be 60 cycles here in the States.... and the doppler radar we spoke of could not possibly be the source......

Rod
 
Yo Z-man!

Just wanted to say thanks for havin the electrical problems :D This has been a great read for my first cup of coffee.

Oh... Can I rent yer goat?


:p
 
Uh-Oh.....
Now you're really gonna get "Z" going.........
Rent the goat?
I gotta hear this one.......
Isn't it amazing how the Universe works?
Look at all the friends and neighbors "Z" has crossed paths with just because of a "tic, tic, tick"............
 
yup...made my morning to start my day reading about Z's woes. :D

And I'd like to think a whole nite with the goat would be about right but really just a few minutes would suffice. :p
 
Someday, guitar and amp manufacturers will realize that CMRR is a really, really good thing . . . someday . . . :(
 
Someday, guitar and amp manufacturers will realize that CMRR is a really, really good thing . . . someday . . .

So now that you have us back on track, Do you have any suggestions on a mod for Zgrimes that would help when the "electric fence" tick returns?
 
Who cares about the mod?

I got it right so I want that goat!!!

Z, don't tell me I was taken once again..........and just when I thought I found true love.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
So now that you have us back on track, Do you have any suggestions on a mod for Zgrimes that would help when the "electric fence" tick returns?

Well, the easiest thing is a stacked, shielded underwound humbucker dropped in his single-coil slots. But the real solution is that plus rewiring the guitar for balanced output, and installing an input transformer in the amp. I just modded one of my gits not only for balanced output, but also with a switchable onboard transformer for DI. These are very simple ideas that should have been incorporated into guitars many years ago, except that guitarists are so resistant to change that it will never happen. But still, I will blame manufacturers for not even trying.
 
OK MShilarious, I know you are a very knowledgable person. What you gotta understand is there is a lot of us who are not electronic engineers. Your balanced output mod + would probably have an effect on 90% of the guitar players out there who have problems while gigging, recording, or just playing in their friends garage (next to an electric fence). I am one of them! Should you start a new thread on this? There are several more threads on this forum concerning this problem. They just call it by a different name.......
I certainly had no frickin clue what you were talking about, "CMRR ", but I googled it and found out! You can't write a book to explain something on this Forum. A picture(diagram) is worth a trillon words......
I just want to read some more Z-woes's
Oh, BTW, I found a PS for my Samick.....Unbelievable.........
 
OK MShilarious, I know you are a very knowledgable person. What you gotta understand is there is a lot of us who are not electronic engineers. Your balanced output mod + would probably have an effect on 90% of the guitar players out there who have problems while gigging, recording, or just playing in their friends garage (next to an electric fence). I am one of them!

I know . . . I'm not an EE either, but what can be done? A complete solution isn't as simple as a mod. I wrote this page about it:

http://www.naiant.com/guitarwiring.html

But I don't want to appear like I'm selling something, because the truth is I can't sell anything that will fix the problem unless guitars are rewired first. It's not a terribly difficult rewire, but when you consider all the myriad ways guitars are already wired, going through each one of them and explaining how to wire it for balanced output is a task.

So mostly what I can do to educate and advocate, and maybe someday the big boys will feel enough pressure to change.

(A secondary problem is that guitar wiring diagrams are almost never proper schematics, they are more like pictures. That's great for the uninitiated, but I can't communicate circuit ideas in standard schematics if guitar modders don't understand them.)

My basic point is this--a simple SM58 microphone almost never suffers problems like this (when it does, it's usually a broken lead, a broken cable, or a broken preamp), even though its signal level is 100 times smaller than your guitar. Why is that? It's because:

1) It has a humbucking coil
2) It is shielded
3) It is balanced

The common mantra for guitars is that #1 and #2 are enough. Well, they aren't quite. Build a guitar/amp system with all three of those, and the vast majority of these interference problems will go away . . .

In the meantime, use shielded, humbucking pickups. There is a belief that the single coil sound only comes from single coils. I think most of the single coil sound comes from the smaller number of windings it has (lower inductance & lower source impedance = more highs). So if you have a humbucker of two 3K ohm windings, I think you get 80% of the single coil sound, and 20% of the single coil noise. Yes, a shielded pickup loses a bit of highs compared with an unshielded pickup. Use the tone control on your amp to compensate!

Balanced wiring will get rid of another 19% ;)
 
Howdy. First, I wanna thank Rod for some more research on e-fencing. The more info we have the better off we are. Also, welcome Dogbreath. Nice to have you aboard. Good to hear from you too bigtom. i thought maybe you gave up on us. Welcome back. And mshilarious, great to have you here as as well. I've got absolutely no clue what the Comunity of Civilian-Military Relations has to do with any of this, but I've gotta say that your ideas are some of the best we've heard yet. To my peanut sized mind, the best solution here would be to eliminate the interference at the very beginning of the electronic chain, before it creates any havoc, and a properly shielded, balanced signal chain would acomplish that in spades. Still, Adwaz has some good points here as well. In my case for instance, I have a whole bunch of guitars, most of them cheap, some even homemade, but each has a voice of it's own, and I would very much like to hear each and every one of those voices on my recordings. Rewire them all? Of course, I'd love to, but in my case, I simply couldn't afford, financially, to do that. I do commend you though on your efforts to enlighten those in the instrument building world, regarding the idea of balanced line systems for us pickers. Keep it up. One day, it'll happen. I guess I should also add that I for one was able to understand everything you said in your post, and saw not one flaw in your thinking. Anyone who has the need and ability to follow mshilarious's advise here, would be doing themselves a great favor.

That being said, I guess I should say this. Oddly, this thread seems to have become a sort of entity in it's own right. More precisely, two entities, and I suspect that it has become a bit awkward for some of our readers to access what exactly they want from it. It's been a great pleasure for me to be able to come here and speak among some very interesting, and even some great minds, regarding my tick, and I would very much like to keep the discussion going. It's my guess that others would agree, and I believe that we've hit on a topic that can be beneficial to a lot of musicians, regardless of what exactly is the cause of their EMI (Electro Magnetic Intereference) or RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) problems might be. For those who have an interest, I believe we're providing a usefull, if not valuable service here.
At the same time, an odd sort of phedobidomen has occured here. It seems that there has arisen a sort of following of "the woes of Zachary Grimes." All of my friends and family have begun to follow us here, and have expressed their desire to read the next segment of the story, despite the fact that most of them would guess that a Telecaster was a Ford product, discontinued in the 1960's. A woman I never even heard of before emailed me and told me that our little story here is the first thing her seventeen year old son has ever read without being told to. There have been a surprising number of e-mails from strangers, and I have no clue how they're getting my address, but as far as I'm concerned, it's all good. I've heard everything from "nonsense" to "hilarious", and from "interesting" to "assinine". The description "great read" has come up, for which I'm gratefull. So for me, it doesn't really matter how exactly we do some good here, whether it's to spread information regarding our electronic problems, or to maybe give someone a good laugh, or just to give someone somthing amusing to read "with their morning coffee". Good is good. Do it when ya can.
I believe that all of this is to the benifit of all; such as when my Uncle who is a contractor, and an absolute wizz at solving construction problems comes here, and one day may help someone to build a much better home studio, or,
when his wife, who is dying of LGD comes here and gets herself a laugh, well, that's just all the better. This experience has been nothing if not therapudic for me as well. You get my drift. So, I'm going to try to do my part to keep this thing going, and in order to make it a bit easier for people to come here and get what they want out of it, I'm going to try to do the following. I'm gonna put up headers in my posts. "The Woes of Zachary Grimes" will henceforth be headed as such, or perhaps as "TWOZG". Love it or hate it, take it or leave it, up to you entirely. The more serious posts regarding "Tick. Tick. Tick.", will be kept seperate, and under the header "TTT", because I am, if nothing else, incredibly %$#*ing lazy, and don't really want to type any more than I have to.

Now. All that being said, I suppose that I need to say somehing else, and before I say that, I must first say this. I was in a car that got creamed by a drunk driver all but twenty years ago, and recieved injuries to my spine that eventually manifested into a major problem. I wound up taking massive amounts of pain-meds in my effort to keep working, but this was a bad road to be on, and it very nearly killed me. Trying to work was just a bad joke. I went on disability. I finally found myself completely homebound in a powerchair. I'm 6 feet tall, but weighed only 120 pounds towards the end of this fiasco, huge dark circles under my eyes, teeth falling out. I looked in the mirror one day and saw a dead man, and decided to make a change. I kicked my addiction, "cold turkey" as they say, took what little money I had, and moved out to this old trailer that I've been telling you about. A lot of therapy has made me much more mobile; I can now be on my feet for about an hour a day without needing any prescription pain meds. I'll never go there again, even if it kills me. Throughout the majority of this downward spiral, I've been lucky enough to have the help of an amazing animal, a German Shepherd mix that I named Maggie. As I became more and more crippled, I taught her more and more how to do things for me, and her capacity to learn and help just never seemed to be exhausted. She doesn't just get my slippers, she'll get my work boots, dress boots, good sneakers, old ones. Mocasins. If I drop my cane, in a few seconds, she'll press the handle back into my palm. I don't even look down anymore. Professionaly trained service dogs have nothing on her. She allways knows where my keys are, and she's my body gaurd as well. I've been a chronic kidney stone former for the past 34 years or so, and when I have an episode, she knows it, because she can smell the minute amounts of blood in the toilet even after it's flushed. She has made it her business to monitor this, and when she detects a problem, she positions herself in between me and anyone else who might be in the room. You can scratch her head, and she'll wag her tail, but move towards me and she's on her feet, ready to intervene. She's also my biggest fan. I usually sit on the bed when I play, and she knows the sound of the catches on my Strat's case, and when she hears it opened, she positions herself in between me and my amp. My acoustic, she likes to be on my other side, and have her head directly under the lower lobe, up against my leg, and she'll lay there for hours, just listening. Throughout the past eight years, she's become a pretty big part of me, mostly I guess just for the fact that we've been in the same room, 24/7 and 365 for all of that time, (I was self employed before I was completely disabled.), with the exception of a handful of times when I was in the hospital. Tonight, my great good dog is herself, lying in the intensive care unit at a nearby Veterinary Teaching Hospital. She came down with a mysterious illness just two and a half weks ago, and went downhill from there, very fast, and unfortunatelly, very hard. They're telling me that they suspect a blood disorder, perhaps Cancer, and I've been told to hope for the best, but to expect the worst. Because she is a working dog, she's geting thr very best of care, there is a team of doctrs working to save her round the clock, bit there is no getting around the fact that her tim is short. A few months at best. I'm sure there are some out there who are saying, "Just a dog", and you're right, she is just a dog, in the larger scheme of things, but those of you who have owned, or do own dogs know how even the most pigiheaded canine pain in the ass can get under your skin. Steal your heart, and then hand it to yo o when they go.
This dog has done that for me, and now to me, and I have no idea at all, yet, how hard I'm gonna fall, only that I will. Fact is I'm pretty much falling apart right now. Because of my stone problem, I've been in debt for most of my life, and so I've never been able to even think about having kids of my own, and I guess that this has served to increase my attachment to this animal. She's so nearly human, for a dog, that she's become more than just a little part of our family. She is by far, the best friend I've ever had. I'm astounded at how much I miss her now, and painfully aware that I'll be missing her a very great deal more, very soon. What i don't know, is how exactly all of this is gonna effect me, or for how long.
So. I haven't told all of you this because I'm looking for sympathy about my rediculous life or the loss of my dog. I am banging on this keyboard because I can't sleep, but mainly, I'm telling all of you this, because of everything single other thing I've said in this post. I think that this thread has at least some small amount of value in this old world, for a variety of reasons, and I'd very much like to see it continue on. I know that others would as well, but the fact here is that my participation may be very limited for some time to come, given the present circumstances. The fact is that I fully expect to fall completely the $#@% apart here in the very near future, as I'm wavering on that line right now. So what I'm asking is that you guys keep it going for me for a while. I'll be watching, tossing in a word when I can, always eager to hear the next thought, the next idea, the next genius, and the next idiocy. There is no pride here, and there is no shame. No point is to deep or complex to be understood at least by some, and no point is too silly to be valid. Come one, come all.Tell us about your experiences with balanced lines and shielded cavities, electric fences, good practices, and bad goats. Think of "Tick.Tick.Tick." not as a, my single problem, but as a place for people to voice ideas about any and all interference problems, a place to learn how to make our studios sweetly silent, except for the sounds of our art. I believe that we've come a long way already, in doing just that. I'll pitch in when I can, but the fact is that we may not be hearing anymore of "TWOZG" for a while. Just don't have it in me right now, but Adwaz? You and mshilarious are off to a great start here. I'll be watching. keep it up! One day, I'll bounce back again. I have a way of doing that. Meantime, please. Let's hear more from all of you, tell us about your experiences with EMI, RFI, 60Hz AC hum, and pickups that go bump in the night, and more importantly, what you did about it. One day, i believe that mshilarious is right, we'll all be playing through balanced lines. But until then, if we all learn how to deal with all of these types of things, who knows, maybe we'll all know just what to do when we get out of bed one day, and our our $@%4- #$%ing amps go,
bzzz, gwaaaaang, buuuzzz, mmmmmm, shhhhhhhhhh, or even, Tick...Tick...Tick...

Rock on,
Zgrimes
 
Hey Z

So with all this crap going on in your life right now you probably won't be needing that goat, right?

Hang in there man. It WILL get better. It will take time but it WILL get better.

I've had some awesome pets that were more family than pets so I know what you are going through. Just hang in there man. I'll be praying for you.

Now about that goat.
 
Yo Z,
I feel for ya about Maggie. I have 4 dogs and 2 kids and it's just like I have 6 kids. Sure, one of them is a pain in the ass but the dogs are great! :p

I kid................sorta.

I really hope your dog pulls through this and comes back to ya.

One of our dogs was diagnosed with this nasty cancer in her mouth and was given about a 10% chance to make it thru the 1st year. That was 8 years ago and she's still doin good. Well, at least as good as a 14 yr old lab/hound can be.

But I took an instant liking to you and your posts and just wanted to wish you the best.

I'll keep you AND Maggie in prayer man. From one dog lover to another...

Peace..............Kel
 
WAIT!!! You guys! Wait! Think about what you're doing here. I haven't even printed tickets yet, and I really need the dough. I'm thinkin iron cage, and if you guys cut the corners offa razor blades, and hide em on ya, and you can slit your own forheads! There'll be BLOOD EVERywhere! That's how they do it in Pro Wrestling and the freakin crowd LOVES it!! Oh. And Kel? I's you, I'd make im take the hat off, or you might never be the same. That thing looks dangerous....
 
No problem...I've been in these cage matches before and I've got an angle. (insert more wiggly eyebrows)

Ya see...I come out of the corner with my burlap butt floss, my junk pokin (a little) out one side, the zits on my butt glowing red and wearing my little pink tutu. I do a jump and twist in the air and as I turn I let loose with last nites bean burrito residue.

Thus blinded and helpless, I run circles around him, screaming like a banshee, disorientating him.

At this point, I hump his leg and the humiliation of that alone drops him to his knees. Once he's on his knees, I let loose with one more trumpet blast of burrito residue and it's all over.

As to the hat on his head....pfft.
That's foreplay in our house... (more wiggly eyebrows here) :D

LETS PLAY TOM!

:D
 
No problem...I've been in these cage matches before and I've got an angle. (insert more wiggly eyebrows)

Ya see...I come out of the corner with my burlap butt floss, my junk pokin (a little) out one side, the zits on my butt glowing red and wearing my little pink tutu. I do a jump and twist in the air and as I turn I let loose with last nites bean burrito residue.

Thus blinded and helpless, I run circles around him, screaming like a banshee, disorientating him.

At this point, I hump his leg and the humiliation of that alone drops him to his knees. Once he's on his knees, I let loose with one more trumpet blast of burrito residue and it's all over.

As to the hat on his head....pfft.
That's foreplay in our house... (more wiggly eyebrows here) :D

LETS PLAY TOM!

:D

Kinda reminds of my weddin' night only there was lots of screamin' and cryin'.

I hardly ever cry anymore and only scream when her mother joins in.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (breathe) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
:D

I don't care who ya are...that there was funny!

"you must spread some...... blah blah"


:D :D
 
...........you guys are the BOMB!!! This is gonna be the freakin BOMB!!!
ok. Listen up. I been on the phone all day, and I won't be able to book the Garden until OctfugginTOBer. I know. It sucks, but it'll give you guys extra time to train. I want you to know that I really fought for it, but the freagin Madison Square Garden guy was imMOVable. A real hard case....

went like this;

Z: Now listen. This is gonna be BIG!!

MSGG: Yes sir I understand but you must understand that the Garden is ALLways booked at LEAST a year in advance.

Z: Booked with WHAT!? HOCKEY!? BASKETBALL!? CANcel something!! Cancel EVERything!!!!! This is gonna be huge!!!!!!

MSGG: Well, besides our sporting events, we have the Chinese Ballet coming in early February, followed by BB King and Buddy Guy on the 21'st, and the Westminster Kennel Club's Dog Sh

Z: BALLET!? BAaaaLAAAY? ARE YOU FRIGGIN SHITTIN ME? BALLET?!!
(Then I got real quiet for a second, cuz that's how ya get shit done)
Now you listen to me you goofy little four-eyed pencil pusher.
(back to screaming. Stick with me, ya might learn sumpin')
I'M TALKIN ABOUT AN eVENT!!! an EXTRAvafreakinGANZA!!! I'M TALKKIN' ASSES IN SEATS AND BEER PISS IN THE URINALS!! THIS IS GONNA MAKE FRAZIER-ALLI LOOK like a gadam PILLOW-FIGHT!! WUSSAMATTER? AIN'T YOU SUMSABICHES GOT NO GADAM CULTURE??? lOOKIT! NO LITTLE NEW YORK CITY PHONE-JOCKEY LIKE Y.............B.B aaaand Buddy? Same show?

MSGG: Yess!! It's a FABulous show. I think I might still be able to get you a ticket or two...

Z: Really? Who I gotta kill?

MSGG: No one! Good seats too. I'm serious!

Z: ok. Put me down for two......NOT SO FAST!! YOU GOTTA CANCEL sumthin.
I'M TALKIN BOUT THE MATCHUP of the CENTURY!! a feDOBadon!!!
a CLIFFhanger!! PEOPLE'LL BE ON THE EDGE OF THEIR SEATS CLUTCHING THEIR BARF BAGS!!!.....lookit. BigTom vs. Dogbreath is GONNA BE HUGE!!!
I'M TALKIN SPANDEX AND BURLAP!!! I'M TALKIN DISGUSTING ODORS!!!
I'M TALKIN ABOUT some WIEEEERD FAMILY SEX!!! RIGHT THERE IN THE RING!!! We got it ALL !!!!
.................I'm talkin bout a guy with a great big metal hat with HORNS stickin out of it and I'm talkin PEN a TRATION!!!!!!

but he was too tough for me. (sorry Big. Guess I got carried away. Talk to your Mother in Law for me.)

MSGG: I'm sorry sir but there's simply nothing else I can do. Can I be of service to you in any other way today?

guys a ROCK!!

Z: .....naw. Guess not........Yer gonna get me those tickets though right?

MSGG: Absolutely!

Z: ...............can I bring Beddy?

MSGG: Your tickets. Bring whoever you'd like!

Z: ....ok.

MSGG: Anything else I can do for you?

Z: You got a guitar amp?

MSGG: Noooo. I play the Glockenspiel. Anything else?

Z: Do they sell burlap undies there in New York City?

MSSG: ........Burlap? I'm afraid not.

Z: ....ok.

MSGG: ...............anything else?

Z:.....................................................no. I guess not.

MSSG: Ok then. On behalf of Madison Square Garden' let me say that it was a pleasure serving you and please let us knoe if we can be of further assistance.

Z: .....Assistance? You can't even get the underwear!

MSGG: Ok, Bye now!!

click.

I tried Dog. Hey. Were can I get a pair a them babies? Been thinkin about it all day! You is STYlin baby! and all them little air-holes? No back-pressure!
No flappage! Just instant gratification! Palus, no skidmarks! Betcha can wear them babies for a month befre you even have to turn em around!!....Yer a genius Dog.

ok You guys start trainin......hate ta say it, but specially you BigTom. How ther hell ya gonna get past the humping thing?.......This is gonna be GREAT!
Beddy's gonna shit a brick, right there on the carpet......
 
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