"The Passing" With Lt. Bob and Pedullist

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If I recall correctly, this was the one that you were questioning whether or not it fits. You've removed all doubt (not that there really was any). This will be an excellent addition to your album.

I always try to think of something constructive to say for your tunes, but I'm on the third listen and can't think of a thing to suggest. Smooth!
 
Sweet stuff man. I was never hip on the "horns" in this... but they don't sound so "out of place" in this mix.

Great recording on most every count. I dig that vocal effect at 1:33 (man that's freaky :p). This would be taken up a notch with real drums... one of these days I've love to put some live drums on one of your tunes just to see how it sounds. :)


But regardless of the nitpicking... real good stuff.


WATYF
 
atom gang,

Wonderful soundscape about not forgetting assholes. Ironic use of the mideastern chant... or is that a bad call on my part? Yeah... hearing the P.F. thing, too. Octaved vocals are great. As far as the backwards stuff... it's something I've wanted to try myself, and you've really done it well.

The vocal sound is gritty, but shitty speakers = gritty vocals :(

It's still gonna be a while before I can give you sound-quality comments (still no good monitoring room... working on that...) ... but here's some more positive vibe in return for the positive talents displayed here.

Lit Bob,

You're taking that sax to places I've rarely heard them... this AOR sound of Tom's mixed with your sound is fresh and ... well... invigorating. Very tasteful, yet full of life... or something... as if the horn were taking breaths and commenting on Tom's lyrics.

Ped,

From June thru about January, I hadn't seen you post... and I guess you've been here while I was gone... weird how we can each be fairly longtime visitors of this clinic, and be oblivious to each other :) ... Your bass is very artful and skillful. You two guys give more dimension to Tom's stuff, and that's saying a lot.

Great tune. Whaddya expect? :) Wonder if Tom'll ever post some polished turd here... weed out the ass-kissers like myself. So far, not yet :)


Chad
 
Fuck me. That was awesome.

So many interesting influences coming together in this - there's the kinda Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan thing in the intro, the barest hint of Tom Waits' Franks Wild Years period when the horns come in, a little modern rock edge to it, I even hear a little of Crosby and Nash's more experimental (& darker) vocal layerings here and there. But all brewed together into something that totally defies categorization - and that's the way I likes it!

Fantastic, just perfect.

And hey, whoever said that there aren't mixes on this board that sound "professional" has just been rebutted.

Chris
 
I'm immersed in this on phones and its just killer. The mix, the performances--the whole enchilada--man. Its back to school for me. This ones got the depth of field too--just spacious. Everything is right in place.

You know what is so cool is seeing (or hearing) all you talented people playing so beautifully together. Pedullist gets a great tone and his playing is superb. Lt. Bob? Shit, I could write a whole book about how much I love his playing. Would it suffice to use the term "master"?

Another really telling thing is how Ped and Lt. played for the song, really fitting the right parts in. Thats what the greats do.

And SluiCe, great piece of writing, playing and singing on your part as well. I think you have graduated at the head of the class. Time to put a CD out. You inspire me to keep at this.
 
Excellent musically. The arrangement, and sounds, the horns, the emotion, all very sophisticated. The drums, and the fact they're samples, I think fits well with the song, the punch of them, the bigness and deepness of the toms, hard to get unless you've got first rate drums, mics, room, etc.

The bass seems to lack definition, and seems to cloud up the mix a bit. The vocal could be more present, and the horns could be, too (the horns are great, what a cool texture in a song like this, but I could barely hear em).

Great job,

macle
 
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The noise is monitor noise. It's an oldfashioned monitor, the kind that shoots off protons at your pickups. I should have turned it off during recording but I forgot.
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Protons? ......wtf.....? .....that sounds dangerous:eek:
 
Thx for the meaning SLuiCe, I kept hearing about the towers burning and wondered if that's what is was about. Now the song kicks even more.
 
fprod south- Ya, now that all that synth has been cut down it seems to flow with the other tunes better. Thanks man!

WATYF- I've worked with truly phenominal drummers. Unfortunately, most are now dead, dumb, or in prison. I haven't found any here that compare, to be quite honest. Although samples suck, I'm just waiting for the day when I can have someone slip real drums into a whole album. But go ahead and keep telling me how much my drums suck. It drives me. :) Thanks man.

dtb- Hehe..thank you for listening.

Participant- CHAD! Dude what's happening? :) I had started worrying about you a few weeks ago. I almost posted a thread to find out if anyone had heard from you, and then I saw you had posted again somewhere. Good to see your handle. The vocals actually are a little gritty sounding, and it's probably compounded by your monitors. I might re-do the "chant" with more accuracy. It was of course intended to have that effect, but it was improvised. I may go more toward the real thing. Would be good experience. And I agree totally these guys have done great things for me here. Pedullist hasn't heard this mix yet, so that will be cool. Anyway, thanks a lot for stopping in Chad. Good to "see" you again.

rpe- thank you!

crawdad-
Another really telling thing is how Ped and Lt. played for the song, really fitting the right parts in. Thats what the greats do.
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Yea, I mentioned this earlier. These guys just weaved their parts in very well. They are truly skilled with their instruments. The mix kinda neat on phones, ain't it. :) Thanks Al!

macle- Hey man, thanks for stopping in. I'm pleased that you like the song! You mentioned the bass' definition issues. Earlier in the thread I posted a screen shot of my EQ settings for that track. There was a problem with Pedullist's PC monitors causing his pickups to buzz. In order to conceal that buzz I had to carve a massive notch out of the 2-4k region. When he gets back from his vacation I'm going to ask him for a retrack now that I know how well the bass line fits. As for the vocal and horn levels, that hasn't been mentioned much, and I need a break from the song, but I'll listen for your comments on some other systems. Between the sax, the guitar and the higher vocals, there is a lot of stuff competing for space. I'm kind of surprised that you "could barely hear" the horns.
What do you think Steve? Boost them?
Anyway, I very much appreciate your help, Macle. Thank you.

Guernica- haha I know. I pictured liek a game of astroids on his computer while he was laying down bass lines. :D
 
lynx- Just missed ya, bud. No problem. It doesn't exactly spell it out. The "towers" and "your wars are unholy" are really the main clues. But do you remember how angry you were at Osama? And how you wanted to be the guy that put the bullet in his head? Maybe not, but I certainly wanted to. Instead we find other ways of venting and moving on. Anyway, thanks a lot! Have a good weekend.
 
Yeah I do remember how that felt, you've captured it. Great work.
 
SLuiCe said:
WATYF- I've worked with truly phenominal drummers. Unfortunately, most are now dead, dumb, or in prison. I haven't found any here that compare, to be quite honest. Although samples suck, I'm just waiting for the day when I can have someone slip real drums into a whole album. But go ahead and keep telling me how much my drums suck. It drives me. :) Thanks man.
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lol... well they definitely don't suck. They're much better then they used to be. :p I'm just saying that there would be a little extra "boost" in the listening experience if some killer live drums were put on it. It's definitely something for the future, 'cause you can't just have some "OK" drummer slap a mediocre beat on your stuff. Your stuff requires some great drumming.

That said... I wouldn't doubt if there were plenty of folks here who prefer the sampled drums, because it makes it sound more "industrial" (or whatever the hell those electronic genres are called :D).


WATYF
 
great mix of the horns!

Like Lt. Bob said in my thread, "I don't think I give a crap about mixes anymore unless they're bad."

I'm starting to fell the same way.. Unless there are obvious things, all else is just preference.. nice job on the bass too.. I do agree about the sound and I read why you had to muffle it a bit.. Overall it sounds great though.. These drums sound more like the triton drums.. Good use of the gated reveb too.. this is a damn fine collaboration on everyones part.. *****
 
Oh wow, that is some crazy EQ. The buzz was that bad, huh? Probably when you get the retrack, and can get the definition on the bass, maybe lower it a bit, and that will open up the clarity for the vocal (and maybe the horns too). It just seemed, on my monitors, anyway, that something was clouding up the lo mid area, and making it so I have to struggle a bit to hear the lead vocal. And I know you're going for a pad thing with the horns, but still, I think they could have a bit more clarity.

Nevertheless, excellent, especially considering the complexity of the mix.

macle
 
SLuiCe said:
. I'm kind of surprised that you "could barely hear" the horns.
What do you think Steve? Boost them?
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I'm pretty reluctant to make mix comments concerning how loud horns should be FOR.
Maybe they could come up some....but I worry that maybe I just want ME ME ME ME up in the mix. :D
 
I thought they were a bit subdued, but it all fit together well.
 
Actually, I gotta agree that the horns could be a little more prominant. I've listened to this several times in the last couple days and there are a couple places where the horns seem to have a little bit of a hard time punching through.

So you're not just being selfish, Bob.:)

Chris
 
I had cut some 2-4k out of the sax. I believe that is why is didn't cut through. I just did a quick remix giving that back to the sax. I also gave a large part of the bass cuts back. The buzz almost seems to fit in to the mix with that drone going on in back. So if you've got a minute to let me know if it's better or worse now, I'd appreciate it. No worries, if not.

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WATYF- Ya I guess they work sometimes. But I would definitely prefer the real thing done well.

Sam- I hear ya. I think I'm getting tired of anyalyzing everything I hear. Birds, planes, conversations. I want to EQ people around me in restaurants. It's disgusting. Thanks for checkin out bro.

macle- You got me wondering if maybe I should give that bass track a chance. I can definitely hear it's more definted, but is the buzz distracting or does it mix well enough? Also the sax is much more present I think. Hear anymore conflicts?

Lt. Bob- Ok Steve, just hang tight then. We'll get it right. :)Check the remix? I think I like it, but I'm going deaf.

Doug H and Groucho- Thanks guys. Hopefully I'm getting closer!
 
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