jimistone
long standing member
minerman...
good tone and excellent guitar playing!
good tone and excellent guitar playing!
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks Ray, dunno 'bout another video man, I might try one with the new amp/cab, the only thing I feel like a total buffoon when I watch the DSL vids (because I look & sound like one)...
Thanks Jimi!!!
rayc
retroreprobate
Australian vintage tube goodness...Vadis
I played through a Vadis amp for a couple of months in 1977.
It was a monster head and cab like the Extended Range version 1/2 way down the age.
It belonged to the Teachers' College I went to and no one realized it was at the back of the stage along with a drum kit. We borrowed both for a performance of Ethnic Banana but the amp cooked before the night so I had to do the show playing bass through a 10watt Coronet SS combo.
I played through a Vadis amp for a couple of months in 1977.
It was a monster head and cab like the Extended Range version 1/2 way down the age.
It belonged to the Teachers' College I went to and no one realized it was at the back of the stage along with a drum kit. We borrowed both for a performance of Ethnic Banana but the amp cooked before the night so I had to do the show playing bass through a 10watt Coronet SS combo.
jimistone
long standing member
Here's one that I'm playing drums on. It's the first song I've ever played the entire set, all at once as a kit, without edits. I know I flubbed it one time during the riff.
It's been a long time since I tried to record a rock guitar sound...I dunno if it's there yet on this one.
https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/suiciden2-04
More cowbell?
lol
It's been a long time since I tried to record a rock guitar sound...I dunno if it's there yet on this one.
https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/suiciden2-04
More cowbell?
lol
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Greg_L
Banned
I think this is pretty good. Not as fizzy as the EVH Greenback clips, good grind and and better tone overall to me. The high end is a little brittle, but you can roll the treb off some. I think this might reveal a part of your fizz - the Greenbacks. When they're not pushed they can sound fizzy. Maybe you're not driving them hard enough on low power settings and the stiffer speakers can resist the fizz better. Maybe. Seems counter intuitive but maybe that's what's happening, because this one is pretty good with the 65.
Thanks man.
That's not too bad. The good - you made it through the whole song and your kick/snare timing stayed pretty solid. The bad - your tempo hand can't keep up. The hats and cowbell are pretty sloppy. The fills are pretty rough. But in your defense that's a fairly up-tempo song for a beginner. Keep working at it and practice with a metronome....or play along to AC/DC records. I tell everyone that. Whether you like them or not, AC/DC will teach you a steady meter and get your hat hand built up with 8th notes. I've done so much AC/DC-Ramones drumming in my life that my hi-hat/guitar strumming hand is significantly faster than my left snare/fretting hand. I need to catch up my left hand.
The guitar parts were pretty cool. Good lead. I liked the lead. I'll trade you a little drumming skill for some lead skill.
jimistone
long standing member
Thanks greg. I know I'm pretty shaky on drums, but I'm having a lot of fun learning how to play. I haven't really played along with any songs and tried to get my fills on the right track. I just did this song and tried to figure all that out as I went along. It's tough when your clueless and the tempo is fast as hell.
By the way, I would trade you some lead wanking skill for some drum skill any day of the week!
By the way, I would trade you some lead wanking skill for some drum skill any day of the week!
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Playing a D with the "Strummer" shape would put you way up the neck. Intonation will really reveal itself up there. That's an instance where the actual open D chord would probably be better, or do a D on the 5th fret of the A string. I was gonna mention this one to you next anyway, so here is the next powerchord shape that's actually a major chord.....
So, for example, you wanna play a D chord on the A string using the powerchord shape...lots of barre-ing in this one.
High E - X
B - ring finger 7th fret - this is your maj 3rd
G - ring finger 7th fret
D - ring finger 7th fret
A - Index finger 5th fret
Low E - index finger 5th fret
So as you can see, it's just two fingers and it looks exactly like a powerchord...but it's a major. This is no two-note dummy chorrd. You're playing 5 strings with two fingers. You gotta barre with your ring finger though. Lots of shimmer in this chord shape. The root is the index finger fretting D on the A string. Adding the lower 5th with your index finger on the E string also really helps thicken it up. This position also works anywhere on the A string. You can fly up and down the neck using this shape anywhere on the A string.
If you wanna make this a minor, you use the same hand shape you'd use for a maj chord based on the E string, but you'd play it on the A.
High E - index finger 5th fret
B - middle finger 6th fret - this is your flattened 3rd for minor
G - pinky 7th fret
D - ring finger 7th fret
A - index finger 5th fret
Low E - index finger 5th fret
So now you just made that D a minor on the A string. Same hand shape as a major on the E string. Works all over the A string no matter what the root note is.
I use these chord shapes all the time. They look like dumb ol powerchords, but they aren't. They sound huge and are loaded with harmonic content when played properly. I've had people ask me "how do you get so much sound out of a powerchord?". This is how. It aint a powerchord, it just looks like one.
Awesome - Greg's going crazy on the musical theory!
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Ray, I think this sounds good - I'd be well happy if I recorded something that sounds this good. There are a few weird sounding things come through, a few out of tune sounding guitar bits. The bass sounds a bit too trebly in places too, that's probably a matter of taste as much as anything though.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Okay here's yet another vocal-less demo track from my bands' influences album thing. I did this one yesterday afternoon. I'm not the singer in the band but I'll probably sing this one along with Chinese Rocks for the album. This selection was picked by the bass player, but it applies to me too.
Sex Pistols - No Feelings
This one's cool to me because it's mostly one centered guitar track with some wide layering popping up here and there for some bigness in certain parts. I did it mostly off memory so Bubba can chime in and tell me all the shit that's wrong with it.
The guitars...
Hallmark 60 Custom
Marshall JMP 2204
Presence - 6
Bass - 7
Mid - 4
Treb - 7
Preamp vol - 5
Master vol - 8
Leads with Tube Screamer boost
Marshall 1960A 4x12 - Celestion G12-65
SM57 on axis, on grill, halfway to edge
No EQ, a little reverb added in DAW
No Feeeeeeeeeeelings
Lemme know whatcha think.
Greg, this sounds great. Higher gain than you normally go for. A noticed there were a few comments about it being a touch harsh - its the fucking Sex Pistols, a little harsh is good! If anything when the lead comes in its a touch quiet. Cracking drum sound.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Miner, some cool playing here and it sounds pretty good.
There seems to be slightly thick flubbyness to the bottom end of it though - like it needs one of them "Bass Focus" switches that you get on new amps if you know what I mean, just to tighten it all up. I find I get this quite a lot but sticking the SD1 in front of it tightens everything up.
I'm listening on my closed back tracking headphones today though which may have something to do with it.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Well done, mate. I'm a shit drummer myself so I'm impressed, I see what Greg is saying though with your slightly slow hi hat.
Everything sounds good though - you seem to have made a pretty good job of recording the kit, although it sounds like the band are standing behind the kit from where I am sitting!
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks guys, again, I know what will help my recorded toans, but I just can't get very loud for a while, so I've been trying all kinds of different shit over here, different mics (including some cheap condensers), different speakers, & the last clip is about the best I've came up with...
I'm hoping to have another pad by the end of summer, where I won't have to worry about disturbing anyone, but like everything else here, it's hurry up & wait, so we'll see if/when that happens...
Jimi: Doesn't sound bad dude, but there are some timing issues here/there, keep at it man, you're getting better at the drums!!! The guitar tones & playing are cool, good chops/licks there man!!!!
I'm hoping to have another pad by the end of summer, where I won't have to worry about disturbing anyone, but like everything else here, it's hurry up & wait, so we'll see if/when that happens...
Jimi: Doesn't sound bad dude, but there are some timing issues here/there, keep at it man, you're getting better at the drums!!! The guitar tones & playing are cool, good chops/licks there man!!!!
jimistone
long standing member
Thanks minerman. I feel for you dude, on having to be quiet when recording. I have always been out in the country where I can blast away with no worries. I see where guys like you don't have that luxery and it makes me appreciate being able to use a lot of volume and never take it for granted
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
jimi .... on the drumbs ..... I'd like that kick up in the mix .... don't hear it enough
jimistone
long standing member
Thanks lt bob. I had it up and it seemed like it was hitting too hard so I second guessed myself and turned it down a bit.
Usually your first instinct is right.
Tadpui
Well-known member
That's really starting to open up and sound much more alive! I think that you've made immense progress with this. There are some tuning/intonation issues, especially on that open E chord. But damn, this just sounds so much more present and clean. Nice work.
Tadpui
Well-known member
Okay here's yet another vocal-less demo track from my bands' influences album thing. I did this one yesterday afternoon. I'm not the singer in the band but I'll probably sing this one along with Chinese Rocks for the album. This selection was picked by the bass player, but it applies to me too.
Sex Pistols - No Feelings
This one's cool to me because it's mostly one centered guitar track with some wide layering popping up here and there for some bigness in certain parts. I did it mostly off memory so Bubba can chime in and tell me all the shit that's wrong with it.
The guitars...
Hallmark 60 Custom
Marshall JMP 2204
Presence - 6
Bass - 7
Mid - 4
Treb - 7
Preamp vol - 5
Master vol - 8
Leads with Tube Screamer boost
Marshall 1960A 4x12 - Celestion G12-65
SM57 on axis, on grill, halfway to edge
No EQ, a little reverb added in DAW
No Feeeeeeeeeeelings
Lemme know whatcha think.
Guitars sound badass man. I do hear what the other fellas are talking about with a little bit of pain in the upper mids or highs. Listening on consumer 5.1 speakers, not my downright abusive Yamaha monitors so it doesn't seem overbearing.
Drums sound awesome, I just love your snare sound. And those toms. And all of the rest
Tadpui
Well-known member
That little amp can still pack a nice punch. It has that Marshall-ish attack to it, most apparent when you kind of stab at the 1st position chords. There is that ever-present high frequency resonance, probably what I'd call fizz. I think that in a mix with a little EQ, it wouldn't matter much. I think that this sounds great for low-volume tone. Certainly miles ahead of bedroom tones from around the world
It's still got the balls of a 4x12 closed-back cabinet, but is just more compressed than a full-out peel-the-paint full-volume sample would be. I'd be darn happy with this tone in a hard rock mix.
Tadpui
Well-known member
Nice classic rock mix. There are a few hesitant spots with the drums but overall I think it's great, especially for a newbie to the instrument. What are you using for overheads? Listening to Greg's excellent drum track from a few pages back, I hear less definition in your hats, ride and cymbals overall. Somehow he gets his to just sing and sit in the mix. It sounds like yours are a bit choked out and less present.
Guitar tone is good, could maybe use a little more mid or hi-mid presence just to keep up with everything in the mix. Good southern rock song, it was a fun listen.
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Greg_L
Banned
Guitars sound badass man. I do hear what the other fellas are talking about with a little bit of pain in the upper mids or highs. Listening on consumer 5.1 speakers, not my downright abusive Yamaha monitors so it doesn't seem overbearing.
Drums sound awesome, I just love your snare sound. And those toms. And all of the rest
Thanks fellas. I'm still not hearing harsh. I've played it on multiple systems and it sounds pretty awesome to me. I hear the upper mids in the guitars and it doesn't seem harsh to me. It grinds, and I like it. I dunno, different strokes I guess.