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Greg_L said:
That's why I don't use mine. Delay to me is a very dated wanky effect....unless you're using it for absolute weirdness which is cool.
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For recorded solos, I just add one of them impulses you gave me in ReaVerb. When I was playing live I only had a few full on solos, for one of them I would switch from neck to bridge, another I would click the coil tap back into a humbucker on the other I added the OCD (L-full, G-zero).

I don't know if you remember that I finally completed the interlude to Pillars a couple of weeks ago? That was my usual hi gain sound that I'm happy with into the Phaser and Echolizer both set up to be on the edge of going out of control - sounded great.
 
JDOD said:
For recorded solos, I just add one of them impulses you gave me in ReaVerb. When I was playing live I only had a few full on solos, for one of them I would switch from neck to bridge, another I would click the coil tap back into a humbucker on the other I added the OCD (L-full, G-zero).

I don't know if you remember that I finally completed the interlude to Pillars a couple of weeks ago? That was my usual hi gain sound that I'm happy with into the Phaser and Echolizer both set up to be on the edge of going out of control - sounded great.
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I don't know, email it to me again. Was that the one with the turn around drum beat?

I don't play too many leads live. The other guy does most of them, even though I am better at it, but he wrote those songs so I don't care. Fewer leads is less stuff I can fuck up. I think I play lead on 5 or 6 songs live. Shit, looking at it in type, that's about half of them. I guess I do more leads than I thought. Anyway, I use no effects for leads. Depending on the amp sometimes I'll kick in some clean boost, but mostly it's dry and the same tone as my rhythm. I go right from rhythm to lead and back again without doing anything. I do use effects for different rhythm sections though. Phasers, flangers, wah, tremolo, I use all of it for different things...but never leads. I think I'm probably ass backwards.
 
Greg_L said:
I don't know, email it to me again. Was that the one with the turn around drum beat?

I don't play too many leads live. The other guy does most of them, even though I am better at it, but he wrote those songs so I don't care. Fewer leads is less stuff I can fuck up. I think I play lead on 5 or 6 songs live. Shit, looking at it in type, that's about half of them. I guess I do more leads than I thought. Anyway, I use no effects for leads. Depending on the amp sometimes I'll kick in some clean boost, but mostly it's dry and the same tone as my rhythm. I go right from rhythm to lead and back again without doing anything. I do use effects for different rhythm sections though. Phasers, flangers, wah, tremolo, I use all of it for different things...but never leads. I think I'm probably ass backwards.
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Yeah, the one with the drum turnaround - its not that important.

I definitely needed something extra for solos - the band had fucking backing singers!
 
My drums are getting set back up today. It's been a little while since I've had them in recording mode with so many gigs and other people's recordings happening lately. I'm excited. I've got 4 or 5 of my own songs to track.
 
Cool - feel free to track a few of mine while you're at it!

I'm actually running out of rhythm guitar parts to track for the songs I have outstanding now.
I have various lead tweaks to do (and write) then I can start on my month of vocals from next weekend. (its a long weekend too so I'll have plenty of time). Aside from that I just have to get my arse in gear with mixing shit properly as I am getting lost in amongst all these reverbs.

Only that Kill 'Em All metal song and that punky one are quick though, all of the others are 110-120BPM slow heavy grunge. I really want to play faster rhythm now!
 
Greg_L said:
I don't play too many leads live. I think I play lead on 5 or 6 songs live. Shit, looking at it in type, that's about half of them. .
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lol ......,I literally put rides in everything I do whether there was one on the original or not.

Ya'll only use a dozen songs for a gig?
How do you get money for one hour gigs?

I'd just be getting warmed up good at an hour.
 
Greg_L said:
The Ross Flanger is the best flanger I've ever heard. You need a separate pedal board for that thing though.
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One came up on Craigslist around here a while back and I almost bought from what you and Lt Bob had said. Of course, I hardly use a flanger (and I already have a 30+ year old Boss BF-2 that does what I need it to) and outside of a Wah and drive (Blues driver, Tube Screamer or Jekyll and Hyde) I don't really use anything else anymore. But all of that depends on the gig and the band I'm playing with at the time.
 
Lt. Bob said:
lol ......,I literally put rides in everything I do whether there was one on the original or not.

Ya'll only use a dozen songs for a gig?
How do you get money for one hour gigs?

I'd just be getting warmed up good at an hour.
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Man there's no money! I'm doing good to bring home 60 or 80 bucks after a gig. That's a good night. And I'm smart - I sneak in my own beer with all my gear. Lol. No one, and I mean no one, makes significant money off original live music. No one. We collect the door and whatever merch we sell and split it among ourselves. People just don't care about local original music. Wedding bands and some tribute acts can make some money, but I'm not in it for any money so I'd never go that route. The type of music I'd have to play to make money is not any type of music I wanna play. I have never and will NEVER play Mustang Sally, Smoke on the Water, 80s hair cheese, or 90s alternative radio hits.

Our sets are usually 45 min to an hour. 12-15 original songs. Somewhere in that range. That's plenty long enough for a nothing nobody band. Maybe even too long. If you can't capture anyone's interest in the first 10 minutes, 50 more minutes will only hurt you worse.
 
Greg_L said:
Man there's no money! I'm doing good to bring home 60 or 80 bucks after a gig. That's a good night. And I'm smart - I sneak in my own beer with all my gear. Lol. No one, and I mean no one, makes significant money off original live music. No one. We collect the door and whatever merch we sell and split it among ourselves. People just don't care about local original music. Wedding bands and some tribute acts can make some money, but I'm not in it for any money so I'd never go that route. The type of music I'd have to play to make money is not any type of music I wanna play. I have never and will NEVER play Mustang Sally, Smoke on the Water, 80s hair cheese, or 90s alternative radio hits.

Our sets are usually 45 min to an hour. 12-15 original songs. Somewhere in that range. That's plenty long enough for a nothing nobody band. Maybe even too long. If you can't capture anyone's interest in the first 10 minutes, 50 more minutes will only hurt you worse.
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Same around here re original music. To make money you have to be a function/dance band and play lots of stuff that most of us would consider bad music. In order to make a living (or at least make some decent money) in music around these parts, the best way is to have a solo gig or 2 per week, 2 or 3 duo gigs, an open mic or 2 and teaching (all during the week) and band gigs on the weekends. If you're in a band, the money disappears quick. But if you're smart, you use your band gigs to pick up students and private party gigs etc.

Oh, and, my band has been doing 2 - 75 min sets. If you stop anytime after 11pm, the place clears out. So we stop before 11, take a 20 - 30 break to mingle, etc. and pick up a little bit after 11 and play until 1230 or so. Everyone seems to be pleased with this arrangement.
 
Yeah, there was a time in the late 80's, early 90's where you could make money gigging around here, but never original music. Top 40, Classic rock, a few Spandex metal bands at the time, etc...I played in a few bands where I'd put about $400 in my pocket every week. I didn't have a day job. Paid for my apartment, car, etc.....from gigging. But we were playing all the shit that you had to play to make that kind of money, which is total crap. I did have fun though, because I was in my 20's, single, good looking (I don't know what happened since :eek: ) and I was sort of a local phenom for a while. People would come see this guy that was singing, drumming, doing lights with one foot, and had the sound board behind him. :D

The standard was 4 X 45 minute sets. Or 3 X 50 minutes.
 
I started gigging with a band in 1976. I was 16 and could barely play. I thought I could really play, buy looking back after learning how to play I was embarrassingly bad. But I could sing and got in a band mostly because of that. Back then the band make $1000 a night. The guy who owned the PA System and booked the gigs got $400. He paid the sound guy and light guy out of his cut. The other 3 of us got $200 a piece. That was incredible money for a 16 year old kid to be making. A foreman in a factory, at that time, made around $250 a week.
We were playing Bad Co, BTO, Steve Miller, Skynyrd, foghat....

then disco hit. We still made the same money but we played the dance stuff like KC and the sunshine band and Village People.
It didn't matter to me as long as I made $400 a weekend.

those were great times for weekend warrior musicians!
 
Made some pretty big changes to my rig this week...I no longer own a Marshall amp....The DSL100H is gone, I sold it to fund a computer, where my old pc shit the bed & died. But, I'm not amp-less either. I still have my bastard 4x12, & ended up trading a couple non-music items for the little EVH LBX 15w amp I'd mentioned before. Can't post any clips until the new pc arrives, so it'll probably be Saturday before that happens. Here's a couple pics of the little amp:

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While it looks funny sitting on my 4x12, it sounds pretty damn good IMO, & sounds a lot like the DSL. It's got 2 channels, blue & red, which are foot-switchable. The blue channel is supposed to be crunch, but it's got way more gain than I'd need, & the red channel is kind of like a boosted version of the crunch/blue channel. It's got shared eq: bass, mid, treble, presence, & a resonance knob on the back. There's a 1/4 power switch on the back too, which supposedly takes it from 15w down to 4w. This little thing uses 7 tubes: 5 - 12ax7's & 2 - el84's, & has an effects loop...

So far I like it pretty good, & even though it's only 15w, I think it's loud enough to gig with. It surprised me to be honest, it's a lot louder/bigger sounding than I expected...

That's where I'm at now gear-wise, & I'll have a new i7-4790, 16gb ram pc with 2tb + 1tb hdd's here tomorrow to replace the 6 year old AMD pc that died on me a few days ago...I'm hoping the 2 old hard drives I already have aren't fucked, but I won't know until I get the new pc. If they're not, I can just use the old audio drive like before, & just install what programs I need on the new OS drive...

I hated to see the DSL go, but I was kinda between a rock & hard place. On down the road I can get another Marshall, but for now the little EVH LBX will do...
 
Wow, huge changes in minerworld!

Congrats on the amp. Those EVH amps are pretty good hot rod high gain stuff. I goof around with them all the time hen I'm out and about at music stores. Too much gain for me, but they always sound good.
 
Greg_L said:
Wow, huge changes in minerworld!

Congrats on the amp. Those EVH amps are pretty good hot rod high gain stuff. I goof around with them all the time hen I'm out and about at music stores. Too much gain for me, but they always sound good.
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Yeah man, I'd racked my brain thinking of a way to get a new, reliable computer while keeping my gear, but every way I turned, I'd hit a snag. If I'd known my computer was gonna die, I might not have bought the SG, but, what's done is done.

The only thing the EVH amp doesn't have is a clean channel/sound, but I can get a semi-clean by rolling my volume back on my guitar. Plus, I don't use a lot of clean sounds anyway, so I can live with it.

So far, I like it, a lot. The tonestack controls are really responsive, & make quite a difference in the tone, & does hot-rodded, high-gain tones really well...

The new computer will be here tomorrow, but I'm not sure I'll have it set up to record until Saturday. Most likely it'll be Saturday because of all the software I'll have to install...

Pretty excited about the new computer too, should be a kick-ass machine, & should handle about anything I throw at it....
 
here's the tune I mentioned a few days ago. Live recording with only vocals overdubbed. Drums, bass, guitar and a room full of people. Rough mix very guitar heavy.

Strat through a 69 Plexi turned up real fucking loud. No pedals, only volume to somewhat tame it. Mostly single coils with occasionally a SD hotrails in the bridge engaged.

Just a raw live in the studio recording with warts and all.

 
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