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Got the new Hendrix LP from the 2nd Atlanta Pop Festival (1970)
I was there for all of it .... 300,000 people worth.

And I had taken a cassette recorder and recorded about 30 hours of it ... to do so I had cobbled two stands together into one very tall stand and on the end of it had a EV 664 mic.

On the cover of the booklet is a crowd shot.
In the crowd shot I saw a pole sticking up about where I was and blowing it up ..... it's ME!!!!

Or rather .... my mic rig .... you can see the cable hanging down and the mic shape fits.
I just don't think it's possible anyone else there was recording and using a 664 and I didn't see anyone recording anyways .... it wasn't super common back then.

LOL .... it's me in 1970 ..... that's pretty freakin' cool!
 

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Bill, they even look coked off their tits in the video. Even before they start playing they seem to be exhibiting weird facial ticks.

I had a weird evening playing the guitar last night. I've cracked a meta-carple at the moment so playing has been a little uncomfortable for the last week or so. I've been working on a solo for one of my tracks, quite a grungy/metallica style thing. Solo was getting more and more complex and sounding shitter and shitter. Went and cleaned my teeth to get ready for bed, picked up my guitar and came up with something Lil Wayne could play which fit perfectly.
 
Got the new Hendrix LP from the 2nd Atlanta Pop Festival (1970)
I was there for all of it .... 300,000 people worth.

/snip


wow! cool as :D

bet you could get a pretty penny for an "original bootleg copy,1 of a kind" if you stuck it on ebay :D



halfers you say? well thanks ;)
 
From my gig last Friday night. The song is called Chocolate Cake by The Honey Island Swamp Band from their Be Good To You CD. This is our barnburner song that we still haven't nailed yet (of course, the fact that we don't practice may have something to do that). Again, this is my Fool SG, '61 Fender Princeton and a Jekyll and Hyde using the distortion portion and a Sennheiser E609 mic. No delay, no reverb, no EQ.

Aside from being a cool performance that just sounds really good for a live recording too - How did you do it?

EDIT: Fucking hell, Bill. You can really play.
 
Got the new Hendrix LP from the 2nd Atlanta Pop Festival (1970)
I was there for all of it .... 300,000 people worth.
Bob, might be pointless asking... but was Hendrix good? Was this Band of Gypsies?
 
Aside from being a cool performance that just sounds really good for a live recording too - How did you do it?

EDIT: Fucking hell, Bill. You can really play.

Thanks man. Coming from you guys around here, that means a lot to me.

I have 2 Zoom R24's linked via USB cable for 16 channels of recording. I mic everything and take the direct outs from my board (only what needs to be in the house goes through the PA. ie vocals, sax, a touch of guitar and, if the room needs it, some kick and/or snare). The drums were done with a Beta 52 on the kick, SM57 on the snare and a pair of Octava MK-012's, the bass is a direct out from his amp, the sax player uses a Sennheiser E835, the guitar is a Sennheiser E609, my vocal mic is a Beta 58 and the other vocal mic is a Sennheiser E835.

Then I take it home, throw it in the DAW (Studio One) and mix. On this particular one, the drums have been EQ'd and somewhat compressed. I have also some verb specific to the snare and a different verb for the whole kit. The guitar and sax have not been EQ'd at all and only very slight compression. The sax does have it's own reverb. The bass had some slight EQ and compression. The vocals have some reverb and delay as well as some EQ and compression. This took me about 2 hours total to do the whole gig (I don't edit any of the .wav and there's no automation on any of this. This is pretty much how it was recorded with EQ and stuff added later) and that includes burning CDs of 2 different mixes.

Lt Boob Very cool. As a kid, I had a copy of that show as a bootleg. Wonder if it came from your source? I know a lot of Live Show traders (I used to be one) so I may just do a little investigation. Did you ever let anyone borrow (or make a copy of) your tape?

Cakewalk Thanks man. Like I said, first gig with this drummer, second time he ever played the song. The bass player, sax player and I run an open mic every other Tuesday (tonight, actually) so we use that as a paid rehearsal. Other than that, no practices. The bass player and sax player are top notch and the only thing holding us back was a drummer that does what we need. This guy does it.

JDOD Everyone I know that has seen Hendrix (or anyone* back then, really) always had mixed reviews. From my albeit unscientific study, the bad ones came down to a couple of things A. The sound was usually bad and therefore unpleasant. B. The performers, especially at that time, were known to be completely fucked up and unable to perform often. or C. Their memory is clouded by their own imbibing. If I remember correctly though, Hendrix was having amp issues, wasn't in a very good frame of mind at the time, was certainly intoxicated. I know there's video of his performance there. In fact I think some was included in that Jimi Hendrix movie from back the 70's.

* Pink Floyd being the one example that anyone I know who has seen them has said the sound was always great. Lot's of timing and prop mishaps but never an issue with their sound.
 
From everything I've read about Floyd, they really gave a shit and rehearsed a lot.
 
...so I just stick with my simple little blues-based stuff...

99% of "popular" music. I'm glad I don't like solos too much, I'd be stuck with the same 3 spots to work the scales. If it's in Am, I'd have the Am pent scale down low, up high, and then I know to work the Em pent scale with it. Of course, that's the same for any root note...you have the 2 areas low (below 12) and high (12th fret and up) and the (7th is it?) scale (major or minor, whatever the root is) of the note that would be the higher one in a 2-note power chord. lol. that's how i approach it. But I can pull a lot off within it - if I go outside of those 18 or so notes in any pent scale, I have to think about it for a second and say "wait which fret do i want?", within them, I can let it fly. i'm not sure if i'm proud of that or not. not a solo guy - but I can improvise a good one with the blues scale.
 
Got the new Hendrix LP from the 2nd Atlanta Pop Festival (1970)
I was there for all of it .... 300,000 people worth.

And I had taken a cassette recorder and recorded about 30 hours of it ... to do so I had cobbled two stands together into one very tall stand and on the end of it had a EV 664 mic.

On the cover of the booklet is a crowd shot.
In the crowd shot I saw a pole sticking up about where I was and blowing it up ..... it's ME!!!!

Or rather .... my mic rig .... you can see the cable hanging down and the mic shape fits.
I just don't think it's possible anyone else there was recording and using a 664 and I didn't see anyone recording anyways .... it wasn't super common back then.

LOL .... it's me in 1970 ..... that's pretty freakin' cool!

that's so cool man, awesome!
 
Bob, might be pointless asking... but was Hendrix good? Was this Band of Gypsies?
he was great .... and this was after he kinda went back to the Experience.

The albums WAY better than the bootlegs or my own tapes.
The sound is surprisingly good and the playing is excellent.
 
he was great .... and this was after he kinda went back to the Experience.

The albums WAY better than the bootlegs or my own tapes.
The sound is surprisingly good and the playing is excellent.

Cool, so that's Billy Cox and Mitch Mitchell, yeah? They sacked Noel Redding off didn't they.
 
yes sir ..... I was never a fan of Cox's playing but he was an old Army buddy of Jimi's plus he was black so he had
a bit 'o' groove that Redding lacked.
I don't know if they sacked Redding or if he was tired of the band because he was previously more of a guitar player.
 
yes sir ..... I was never a fan of Cox's playing but he was an old Army buddy of Jimi's plus he was black so he had
a bit 'o' groove that Redding lacked.
I don't know if they sacked Redding or if he was tired of the band because he was previously more of a guitar player.

Ah, I'm not a massive Hendrix connoisseur but I think I prefer Cox's playing. I seem to remember the bass on the very late stuff, just having a bit more too it and having much cooler tone. The bass on the early stuff always seemed a bit anonymous to me.
 
From my gig last Friday night. The song is called Chocolate Cake by The Honey Island Swamp Band from their Be Good To You CD. This is our barnburner song that we still haven't nailed yet (of course, the fact that we don't practice may have something to do that). Again, this is my Fool SG, '61 Fender Princeton and a Jekyll and Hyde using the distortion portion and a Sennheiser E609 mic. No delay, no reverb, no EQ.

That was pretty awesome dude. Great guitar tone. The end lead was bad ass. :)

Got the new Hendrix LP from the 2nd Atlanta Pop Festival (1970)
I was there for all of it .... 300,000 people worth.

And I had taken a cassette recorder and recorded about 30 hours of it ... to do so I had cobbled two stands together into one very tall stand and on the end of it had a EV 664 mic.

On the cover of the booklet is a crowd shot.
In the crowd shot I saw a pole sticking up about where I was and blowing it up ..... it's ME!!!!

Or rather .... my mic rig .... you can see the cable hanging down and the mic shape fits.
I just don't think it's possible anyone else there was recording and using a 664 and I didn't see anyone recording anyways .... it wasn't super common back then.

LOL .... it's me in 1970 ..... that's pretty freakin' cool!

Haha, you bootlegger! That's pretty cool. I tried that at a few Ramones shows. I have the tapes somewhere. They're not very good.
 
Okay gents, finally got around to banging out some quick tones. Here's the Traditional Goldtop w/ Burstbucker 3 against the Custom Cherryburst w/ T-Tops. Same amp settings, same everything.

Les Paul Traditional - Burstbucker 3 Bridge
Les Paul Custom - T-Top bridge
Marshall Plexi 1959
Presence - 3
Bass - 6
Mid - 8
Treb - 4
Vol 1 - 7
Vol 2 - 0
High input 1 only
Marshall 1960A 4x12
Greenback - Audix i5 - on axis, on grill, at dustcap/cone seam
G12-6 - SM57 - on axis, on grill, dead center
Full 50/50 blend
No EQ or FX

When the Goldtop Sings
When the Custom Sings

See what you think. This probably wasn't the best test for differences because the amp is nearly at full roar, but goddamn it that's how I like it.
 
Okay gents, finally got around to banging out some quick tones. Here's the Traditional Goldtop w/ Burstbucker 3 against the Custom Cherryburst w/ T-Tops. Same amp settings, same everything.

Les Paul Traditional - Burstbucker 3 Bridge
Les Paul Custom - T-Top bridge
Marshall Plexi 1959
Presence - 3
Bass - 6
Mid - 8
Treb - 4
Vol 1 - 7
Vol 2 - 0
High input 1 only
Marshall 1960A 4x12
Greenback - Audix i5 - on axis, on grill, at dustcap/cone seam
G12-6 - SM57 - on axis, on grill, dead center
Full 50/50 blend
No EQ or FX

When the Goldtop Sings
When the Custom Sings

See what you think. This probably wasn't the best test for differences because the amp is nearly at full roar, but goddamn it that's how I like it.

I like the Custom, personally. Both great tone but, to my ears the Custom wins. Of course, in a mix I might change my mind.

Greg wrote: That was pretty awesome dude. Great guitar tone. The end lead was bad ass.

Thanks man. I appreciate that. It's a fun tune that crabs the crowd. And it's easier than it sounds.
 
They're certainly very close (which goes to playing style--not just the guitar). To me the Goldtop was a smidge darker and louder (in overall volume) but also quieter (even though I just said louder, I mean less pickup noise). The Custom was a bit quieter in overall volume (though a bit louder in pickup noise), and a bit more punctuated in the upper mids.

Congrats on the Custom. That's my dream guitar, and I'm currently looking for one very similar to what you bought. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that guitar as you dig into it.
 
I like the Custom, personally. Both great tone but, to my ears the Custom wins. Of course, in a mix I might change my mind.
Thanks. As I was listening back to both of them, I was thinking "these together would kill in a mix". It would sound heeeeeyuge. I need to track something while it's still all set up. :D

They're certainly very close (which goes to playing style--not just the guitar). To me the Goldtop was a smidge darker and louder (in overall volume) but also quieter (even though I just said louder, I mean less pickup noise). The Custom was a bit quieter in overall volume (though a bit louder in pickup noise), and a bit more punctuated in the upper mids.

Congrats on the Custom. That's my dream guitar, and I'm currently looking for one very similar to what you bought. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that guitar as you dig into it.

Thanks dude, good to see you around again.

I think you hit the nail on the head with playing style. I do tend to make everything sound pretty much the same. I hear pretty distinct differences myself, similar to what you listed, but I bet someone with some skill could really explore the differences better than I can. I know one thing, the Custom cuts better. Both guitars are great to me, but something about the Custom gives it more aggression in the mids.

Next clips will be a little cleaner, prob do some vol rolling, maybe even flip to the neck pickups.
 
maybe even flip to the neck pickups.
LOL. No you won't.

Both sound great though. You should do a piece with one of them chugging out some rhythm while the other plays a bit of lead for a few bars then swap them over.
 
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