The New Tone Thread

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New "Burns" guitars have appeared in my local music shop in the past year or two. I don't know who owns the brand and is manufacturing them these days, but they absolutely look the part, the build quality appears to be superb and they are very attractive instruments to someone of an "individual" sort of taste. I haven't played one of them, though. :D
 
Which element does the moon vibe add? I'm not familiar with that unit. I hear lots of reverb and some modulation. Cool tone, I like the heft of the distortion and the overall character. Sounds a little sludgy and stoner-rock kind of, I like it.

It's a Univibe clone so the modulation that you are hearing is the Moon Vibe. My recording chain is: Kramer Striker> Moon Vibe> Carvin VL100> Palmer PDI-03> TC Electronic G major 2> PreSonus Audiobox.
 
Hmm. The SG doesn't sound different enough from the LP to warrant purchasing it for that reason, at least to me. The playability will be the major difference between the two gits. The sound? Not a lot.

But happy new purchase, Minerdude! :D
 
You'll have to get a P-90-ish humbucker sized pickup like a P-94, or the P-Rails, or any of the other plentiful humbucker sized P-90 clones.

I can vouch for the P-Rails. Pretty good. Don't get the "hot" ones though.

Rio Grande pickups makes a nice humbucker sized P-90 too. The Bastard and Fat Bastard. Lol. They're a local Houston company.

This ^ is the plan, if I don't abandon it & just keep it as-is....Right now, I don't think I'd change anything on this guitar, but, I've only had it about 24 hours or so now...

I may have a go on the weekend, maybe. Yep, still have the Bison - a local music shop imported exactly 2 new Burns guitars into Australia - that one, and a black Marvin which has the rolled headstock I hate. I bought that one. Almost sold it about a decade ago but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I got it out of its case after about 2 years the other day and it was pretty much still in tune. Rock solid and very, very heavy. :D

The Bison looks pretty nice dude...I've actually never gotten into those kinda guitars, but they do look pretty cool....I have to say though, that LP looks great IMO...

On the p'up thing, only thing I can suggest is what's already been suggested. Take 'em out & look at the bottom of 'em. You might get lucky, & find some kind of # or something so you could find out what the p'ups are, maybe...
 
Hmm. The SG doesn't sound different enough from the LP to warrant purchasing it for that reason, at least to me. The playability will be the major difference between the two gits. The sound? Not a lot.

But happy new purchase, Minerdude! :D

Yeah, but, the plan was a P-90 to begin with...That's still in debate, as it'll be a while down the road, if I even decide to or not...But, this is also my "retirement" present to myself dude...
 
New "Burns" guitars have appeared in my local music shop in the past year or two. I don't know who owns the brand and is manufacturing them these days, but they absolutely look the part, the build quality appears to be superb and they are very attractive instruments to someone of an "individual" sort of taste. I haven't played one of them, though. :D

Mine is "Burns of London" which from what I read was some sort of "licenced" use of the name / features way back when. Thing I like most about it is that I know no-one else in the country has one. That guy was the only person who ever imported those guitars into Aus at that time.
 
I'd love a Burns Stagg - the model Billy Bragg used to play. Weird but wow.
 
Hey miner, I played your guitar today at a GC. Very nice indeed!

Then I got asked to stop or leave because I had previously bashed the shit out of some drums and had the amps up too loud.
 
Hey miner, I played your guitar today at a GC. Very nice indeed!

Cool, same color, p'ups & all??? I'm having a pretty good time with this thing dude. While it doesn't sound a lot different than my LP, it seems to be more responsive to my playing...Could still be the "new" thing too, either way, I'm pretty happy with it so far...

Then I got asked to stop or leave because I had previously bashed the shit out of some drums and had the amps up too loud.

I don't get that myself. I mean, sure I understand about the noise thing, but if you're there to try out gear that you might end up spending $$$ on, they need to let folks do just that. Don't these guys understand that you might wanna play an amp (just for example) at gig level in order to make your decision to buy something??

GC has isolated rooms for that, but still....

If I were you, I'd go there at least once a week, & make 'em set a bunch of gear up in that room, just to make the dumbfucks move/carry that shit around...:D.
 
Yeah I don't get the whole "being too loud for Guitar Center" thing either. When I bought my JCM800 from them, I called ahead. I was assured that they had a place where I could crank it up. I assumed that meant that they had one of those "vault" rooms. Turned out to be a lesson room. On a Saturday afternoon. During several lessons in session. I was promptly asked to stop playing, twice. Friggin twats, if they're gonna sell loud things, they need to be equipped to let people test drive loud things.
 
I've called ahead to PMT Music in Bristol and they've been pretty good actually - I've gone there a few times to try amps when I was deciding on my Blackstar and I went there to try different speakers with a Blackstar head too. I always got a room where I could crank them up.
 
Miner, finally got around to listening to your Les Paul and SG back to back. Now, I've not got the best ears in the world but I can barely hear the difference and the differences that I can hear would be more easily explained by variations in your playing rather than a significant difference in the tone of the guitar. The SG does sound a little tighter to me and possibly a touch brighter to me but that could just be down to your playing which sounds a bit more tightly controlled on the SG.
 
Cool, same color, p'ups & all???
Yup, exact same guitar. It was really nice.


I don't get that myself. I mean, sure I understand about the noise thing, but if you're there to try out gear that you might end up spending $$$ on, they need to let folks do just that. Don't these guys understand that you might wanna play an amp (just for example) at gig level in order to make your decision to buy something??

GC has isolated rooms for that, but still....

If I were you, I'd go there at least once a week, & make 'em set a bunch of gear up in that room, just to make the dumbfucks move/carry that shit around...:D.

Yeah I don't get the whole "being too loud for Guitar Center" thing either. When I bought my JCM800 from them, I called ahead. I was assured that they had a place where I could crank it up. I assumed that meant that they had one of those "vault" rooms. Turned out to be a lesson room. On a Saturday afternoon. During several lessons in session. I was promptly asked to stop playing, twice. Friggin twats, if they're gonna sell loud things, they need to be equipped to let people test drive loud things.

I was being obnoxious. I admit it. This was my local Katy, Tx Guitar Center which is a smaller "studio" store which means they have a lesser, more watered down inventory geared more towards beginners. The bigger GCs around here are usually very good about letting you be loud if you're seriously looking for something. I was just walking around kicking tires. It was also 2 pm and the store was empty, so my obnoxiousness was even more on display than usual. They used to know me there. I go there all the time. But there's so much turnover now, besides the store manager and the guitar "tech", I never ever see the same faces there from week to week. I'm always in there for strings, sticks, cables, drum heads, moongels, little things, even bought a few guitars and used pedals there, but I never see the same employees. Those flunkees that told me to chill had no idea they were in the presence of greatness. :D
 
Yup, exact same guitar. It was really nice.


Cool dude....after a couple more days with the SG, it really doesn't sound that much different than my LP, it may be a little brighter, maybe it's just me & the "new" thing again...But, it does seem to have just a little more sustain that's apparent to me, & I really like this thing, a lot...

I'm still debating on the p'up swap, if I could get the P-Rails to sound pretty close to what it already does, then have the ability for the other tones (via a mini-toggle or whatever), I'd probably do that. I know I'd have to cut a couple little holes in the pickguard for those, but I'm not gonna hack the body/wood on this thing at all...

Probably just me (again), but the action on this thing is great, it's just really easy for me to play....



I was being obnoxious. I admit it. This was my local Katy, Tx Guitar Center which is a smaller "studio" store which means they have a lesser, more watered down inventory geared more towards beginners. The bigger GCs around here are usually very good about letting you be loud if you're seriously looking for something. I was just walking around kicking tires. It was also 2 pm and the store was empty, so my obnoxiousness was even more on display than usual. They used to know me there. I go there all the time. But there's so much turnover now, besides the store manager and the guitar "tech", I never ever see the same faces there from week to week. I'm always in there for strings, sticks, cables, drum heads, moongels, little things, even bought a few guitars and used pedals there, but I never see the same employees. Those flunkees that told me to chill had no idea they were in the presence of greatness. :D

:D

I can understand their point in a way, if I worked there, I'm sure it'd be a hair-pulling experience to have people like myself coming in/out all day, making lots of noise & all. But, that's what the store is there for, so it's kinda a double-sided thing...

I do know this, I do not have the patience or the tolerance it'd take for me to work somewhere like that. I'd get fired probably the first day, with a lawsuit to boot, or some big fucker would wait on me in the parking lot, then kick the living shit out of me...
 
Regarding my Dark Tone... Here's what Focusrite have to say after hearing sample recordings...
Thanks for your reply.

"It's slightly difficult to tell what the problem is here from the recordings you've sent - they sound good and with the sort of level of high-end I would expect from this type of recording.
Most guitar cabinet speakers roll off around 5kHz - the electric guitar is a mid-range instrument and there won't be very much/any information far above 5kHz when playing through most amps, this is normal.
If your pre-amp has a line output, you may well find that connecting that to a line input on the 8i6 will result in more high-end being recorded because the effect of the roll-off induced by the speakers isn't being taken into account (though the pre-amp itself may well have a low roll-off built in).
As you've noted, recording your electric guitar without first putting it through an amp results in a brighter sound (as I would expect) - this likely indicates that your 8i6 is functioning as expected.
I hope this helps, if you need any further information or are still concerned about your 8i6 please let me know and I'll do everything I can to assist you.
Best regards,"

Is he blowing smoke?
 
Regarding my Dark Tone... Here's what Focusrite have to say after hearing sample recordings...
Thanks for your reply.

"It's slightly difficult to tell what the problem is here from the recordings you've sent - they sound good and with the sort of level of high-end I would expect from this type of recording.
Most guitar cabinet speakers roll off around 5kHz - the electric guitar is a mid-range instrument and there won't be very much/any information far above 5kHz when playing through most amps, this is normal.
If your pre-amp has a line output, you may well find that connecting that to a line input on the 8i6 will result in more high-end being recorded because the effect of the roll-off induced by the speakers isn't being taken into account (though the pre-amp itself may well have a low roll-off built in).
As you've noted, recording your electric guitar without first putting it through an amp results in a brighter sound (as I would expect) - this likely indicates that your 8i6 is functioning as expected.
I hope this helps, if you need any further information or are still concerned about your 8i6 please let me know and I'll do everything I can to assist you.
Best regards,"

Is he blowing smoke?

Ray, you've already pretty much proved your interface is cutting the high end with your little eq test, right? To me, that sounds like he's blowing smoke up your ass, & doesn't wanna fuck with it, but that's me....Check your pm's dude....
 
When I look at my own guitar tracks through ReaEQ, I don't see much info above 5kHz either. Admittedly, my guitar tracks have been called dark on more than one occasion. But I think the Focusrite dude is at least in the ballpark. Listening to a track from a bright-ass Jazzmaster through a Deluxe Reverb, the signal tapers off dramatically above 5kHz, and is basically zero energy above 7kHz. I think that's just the nature of guitar speakers.

What do vocals sound like through the same preamp?
 
I actually recorded my electric guitar acoustically (stuck a mic in front of the strings and cranked the pre) when doing a test - it went up to 10Khz though not much happened up that high.
Here's the sample I sent them:
 
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I actually recorded my electric guitar acoustically (stuck a mic infront of the strings and cranked the pre) when doing a test - it went up to 10Khz though not much happened up that high.

Ray, I have an 8i6 and could do a response test. I cannot find (amongst nearly 1000!) the original post so what MO would you like me to employ? I can compare the F'rite to a KA6 and/or a ZED 10 into 2496.

Dave.
 
ecc83,
original post...
"I've had comments that my recordings seem "dark" before and decided to do a little checking after my most recent project.
I checked audio recorded with & through the interface against imported media.
Imported media has a full range of audio freqs from 0ish to 20kHz ish.
Audio recorded with the unit has a hyped bottom end and slopes off very sharply at around 5kHz.
Any ideas?"

I mic'd a Marshall 4x12 and a Pignose portable thingy with a 57 and a Sennheiser e609.
I ended up using the Senn most of the time as it has a slightly brighter tone.
Any sort of test would be fine really - a guitar cab mic'd & into the front pre/s of the 8i6 looking a the amount of info over 5kHz
Thanks.
 
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