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Bubba .... to me the first one is the better sounding of the two and I think it would work well in a mix .... it's brash and rock and roll all the way!

Bubba po said:
Greg's drum and bass tracks have needed ZERO treatment for the mix I'm putting together. I'm not sure that the significance of this fact will be properly understood by everybody, but in my opinion it takes an incredible amount of judgement and experience to supply tracks so perfectly-judged as these. They are utterly spot on. I'm in awe.
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greg is badass and I don't say that lightly.

I basically don't think anyone's any good. lol
That's an exaggeration of course, there's lots of talent in the world and some good playing and recording right here at HR.

But I'm a curmudgeon and don't praise folks casually.

Greg is seriously good at both playing and recording.
He gets about the best drumb and guitar sounds around and his bass always sounds great too.

If we lived closer together we would be gigging together ..... I'd chase him down!
















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JDOD said:
There's probably nothing wrong with doing a bit of EQ in the mix .
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there's nothing wrong with doing a TON of EQing and such IF you end up with a sound that's good.
However you reach a good conclusion is fine as long as you get there.

BUT, getting the sound right in the first place is always easier than tweaking it afterwards.
For guys like me, I still use an analog mixing board (and always will ) so I have EQ knobs on each channel and tweaking the EQ is something you do without even thinking about it.
But if I get the sound right at tracking then there's one less thing to deal with.
 
THey both sound really good Bubba-po. I won't comment either way about selction because the mix will determine that.
 
Lt. Bob said:
there's nothing wrong with doing a TON of EQing and such IF you end up with a sound that's good.
However you reach a good conclusion is fine as long as you get there.

BUT, getting the sound right in the first place is always easier than tweaking it afterwards.
For guys like me, I still use an analog mixing board (and always will ) so I have EQ knobs on each channel and tweaking the EQ is something you do without even thinking about it.
But if I get the sound right at tracking then there's one less thing to deal with.
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I agree with you Bob, what I'm getting at it that there's no point in knowingly recording shite with a view to fixing it later.
 
Clip sounds good Bubba, just goes to show what sounds good on it's own might not work in a mix. On it's own, your clip is a little harsh in the high end, but I bet it sits great in your mix, & cuts through with authority....

On Greg, yes, he is a bad-ass when it comes to recording/playing, & can pretty much nail anything he wants to. That's one reason I have had so many questions for him over the past few years, he's actually helped me more than you guys will ever know....

And, for the Marshall fanboys, seems they've released a 20/5w Jubilee amp, & there's supposed to be more amps to come. This particular head looks interesting to me, because while I do love my DSL100H, to get it where it gives up the goods is a wall-shaking event to say the least. Maybe this will get in the same ballpark, without blowing the windows out of my house. That's another thing I really miss about the Ceriatone amp I sold back in the fall, while it could be loud as fuck, it didn't have to be in order to get a great sound into my daw....Here's the info I've found on the new mini-Jubilee:

NAMM 2016: Marshall unveils 2525 Mini Jubilee guitar amps | MusicRadar

Edit: Found another amp Marshall has released (or will sometime this year), but this one doesn't appeal to me as much. It's a modeling amp, partnered with Softube. Supposed to have a bunch of their iconic amps all rolled into one. Myself, I'm skeptical to be honest, I'd have to play through one before I made any decision either way....

NAMM 2016: Marshall team up with Softube for CODE digital amp series | MusicRadar

I've read over at the Marshall forum there's gonna be more amps & products, but will have to wait & see what they've come up with...I will say the 20w Jubilee's specs looks good on paper (EL34 power section, fx loop, etc), but would probably have to play through one before I made a decision on it too...
 
minerman said:
Clip sounds good Bubba, just goes to show what sounds good on it's own might not work in a mix. On it's own, your clip is a little harsh in the high end, but I bet it sits great in your mix, & cuts through with authority....

On Greg, yes, he is a bad-ass when it comes to recording/playing, & can pretty much nail anything he wants to. That's one reason I have had so many questions for him over the past few years, he's actually helped me more than you guys will ever know....

And, for the Marshall fanboys, seems they've released a 20/5w Jubilee amp, & there's supposed to be more amps to come. This particular head looks interesting to me, because while I do love my DSL100H, to get it where it gives up the goods is a wall-shaking event to say the least. Maybe this will get in the same ballpark, without blowing the windows out of my house. That's another thing I really miss about the Ceriatone amp I sold back in the fall, while it could be loud as fuck, it didn't have to be in order to get a great sound into my daw....Here's the info I've found on the new mini-Jubilee:

NAMM 2016: Marshall unveils 2525 Mini Jubilee guitar amps | MusicRadar

Edit: Found another amp Marshall has released (or will sometime this year), but this one doesn't appeal to me as much. It's a modeling amp, partnered with Softube. Supposed to have a bunch of their iconic amps all rolled into one. Myself, I'm skeptical to be honest, I'd have to play through one before I made any decision either way....

NAMM 2016: Marshall team up with Softube for CODE digital amp series | MusicRadar

I've read over at the Marshall forum there's gonna be more amps & products, but will have to wait & see what they've come up with...I will say the 20w Jubilee's specs looks good on paper (EL34 power section, fx loop, etc), but would probably have to play through one before I made a decision on it too...
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Miner, that Baby Jubilee sounds like a great idea... but its 800 quid! and that's just the head - its nearly a grand for the combo!
 
JDOD said:
Miner, that Baby Jubilee sounds like a great idea... but its 800 quid! and that's just the head - its nearly a grand for the combo!
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Yeah it's expensive man, but I've already got the speakers/cab covered...I'm gonna wait & see what happens here with all the shit I've been dealing with for the past few months, but I may end up getting one of the heads eventually. Maybe... I've read that Marshall is coming out with more amps this year too, so there might be something else for me, maybe....

I have to brag on Greg once again, he's the one who came up with the idea of my "bastard" cab, it's a regular 'ol 1960A (JCM900 I think), but I've got 4 different speakers in that thing, Greenback, G12-65 re-issue, G12H re-issue, & a V30. While I'm sure it would sound "funky' compared to cabs with matched speakers, it's great for different tones, as all I've gotta do is move the mic to another speaker, & I've pretty much instantly got a whole different setup...:).

Back to the baby Jubilee, it looks like Marshall has finally listened to their customers/fans, as everybody & their momma has put out a low-watt amp, except them (that isn't limited, like the 1-w series, & the SL-5)...They do have the low-watt DSL series, but it seems not many people really like 'em from what I've read, & they dropped the ball with 'em (fx loop on the 5w, but it's only a combo, the 15w came in head & combo, but no fx loop, etc)...

I'll just have to play the waiting game & see what happens here with me...But, eventually I'll be able to get some more gear, it's just gonna take some time before I can do so....GAS is a serious pain in my ass......:laughings:.
 
At that price point they're putting themselves at the top of a market with a lot of quality shit in it. They're 20W Jubilee head is the same price (over here at least) as a Victory V30 and they're fully 300 quid north of comparable Blackstars.

I will try one when they hit the shops but I did try a few Marshalls, including a little DSL, and found that £4£ they didn't make sense. Obviously I'd love one if I could afford to spend more money but then they're getting into the same territory price wise as the Victory amps. I've played through a victory and I absolutely loved it!

I'd love Marshall to be more competitive on price 'cos I've love them to really be on my radar. To me they're a bit like Gibson in that regard - they're really nice - but they're also really expensive and I can't work out why aside from paying for the brand.

(haha, if Greg was reading this he'd probably have a meltdown - "Limey twat hating on Gibson and Marshall as usual")
 
Yeah man, the price is quite high, but, AFAIK, they're UK made (doesn't make a fuck to me though, my DSL is Vietnam-made, & I think it's a great amp myself), so that might add to the price (I'm sure it does)...But, the price posted may not be the final, dunno....

Again, I've read they've got more shit coming out today, so will just have to wait & see what they've came up with...

In the past, their lower cost products didn't have all the bells/whistles the higher priced counter-parts did (like the loop on the 15w DSL, only 2 modes where the 100 & 40w have all 4, etc)...From what I can gather, the mini-Jub has all the shit the big one does, so you've gotta take that into account too (if that means anything to you that is...lol)...

I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I'd like to see a low-watt version of a Super Lead, JCM800, etc., but I know those would be high priced if they were to happen (which would really surprise me if they did)....

We should find out more about what they're coming out with as the day progresses, but I'm already impressed with the mini-Jub, just because it's a low-watt amp. Marshall's customers/fans have been screaming for a low-watt amp for a long time now, & it seems they've finally listened. Whether it delivers the goods or not will be seen as time passes...

The modeling amp they released doesn't impress me in the least, but, it may be a kick-ass piece of gear. But my experience with the "all-in-one" things have left a lot to be desired in the past. Not gonna pass judgement on anything until I hear some real-world reviews/clips, or get the chance to plug into on myself, the latter being extremely unlikely though, as I live at the ass-end of the world....:laughings:.
 
Fortunately my office isn't far from a really big shop, part of a national chain of 8, which are Marshall, Blackstar and Orange dealers. They also stock Mesa but that's another price jump again.

I think they're the biggest in the UK so as soon as NAMM is out of the way stock will probably arrive pretty quickly.

Thing is, I don't really want bells and whistles, I want a simple two channel amp. The Blackstar control panel is pretty much spot on for me (aside from the ISF which is a bit gimmicky).

Clean Channel - Volume and EQ
Dirt Channel - Volume, Gain and EQ
Master Volume

I just wish I knew more about the gain circuit works in the Blackstars - they're secretive fuckers.
 
rayc said:
THey both sound really good Bubba-po. I won't comment either way about selction because the mix will determine that.
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Thanks, Ray. Fingers crossed I've judged it right. I've mixed on my new headphones so far, but will do a check on the monitors before posting.

antichef said:
I thought they both sounded good too
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Muchos gracias, antichef. :)

minerman said:
Clip sounds good Bubba, just goes to show what sounds good on it's own might not work in a mix. On it's own, your clip is a little harsh in the high end, but I bet it sits great in your mix, & cuts through with authority....
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Cheers, minerman. Yes, the clip is harsh when soloed but in context with the bass guitar (which has good top-end bite and definition) and the drums (which also have great clarity and sparkle) it seems to sit just about right to me, bearing in mind that a cutting guitar tone is pretty much the signature sound for the Clash.

I'm going to finish my track tonight, just some B.V.s, claps and tambourine to add. I'll post a preliminary mix if I get it done in time and you guys can judge whether I got it right or not! :D
 
I like things pretty simple too JDOD, but it's nice to have those things & not use them, rather than to not have 'em, then when you do want/need 'em, they're simply not there...I'm actually kinda stoked to see what else Marshall releases now...


Bubba: This thread has been going for years now, & I have to say, it's helped me learn how to get some pretty good guitar tones, but, what good is a guitar tone unless you have a song to put it in??? Something I've noticed about a lot of my favorite tones (listening to 'em solo'd via Rock Band multi-tracks...lol), is they don't really sound all that great on their own, but in the mix, they kill...I think the tone you posted does sound good on it's own though, but again, I'm betting the high-end "bite" I mentioned absolutely cuts through the mix, exactly the way it's supposed to....Be sure you post the song up when you get it done Bubba, I'm actually pretty curious to hear what you & the Gerg have came up with...:thumbs up:.
 
I'm sure it'll be great, mate. Whenever you do your clash covers most people who aren't hardcore clash fans wouldn't notice they are covers. To me they just sound like alternate takes by The Clash themselves.
 
JDOD said:
Fortunately my office isn't far from a really big shop, part of a national chain of 8, which are Marshall, Blackstar and Orange dealers. They also stock Mesa but that's another price jump again.

I think they're the biggest in the UK so as soon as NAMM is out of the way stock will probably arrive pretty quickly.

Thing is, I don't really want bells and whistles, I want a simple two channel amp. The Blackstar control panel is pretty much spot on for me (aside from the ISF which is a bit gimmicky).

Clean Channel - Volume and EQ
Dirt Channel - Volume, Gain and EQ
Master Volume

I just wish I knew more about the gain circuit works in the Blackstars - they're secretive fuckers.
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I like the Blackstars ...... I kinda wish I'd bought a Club 40 instead of my Mark V and saved a grand.
They seem well built ..... I have a friend who gigs the Club 40 and he breaks everything he touches and he hasn't broken it in two years so they have to be durable.
 
Lt. Bob said:
I like the Blackstars ...... I kinda wish I'd bought a Club 40 instead of my Mark V and saved a grand.
They seem well built ..... I have a friend who gigs the Club 40 and he breaks everything he touches and he hasn't broken it in two years so they have to be durable.
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Yeah, I tried a Club 40 SE (that's the one with the V30 speaker) but it was just too loud for my needs so I opted for the Studio 20. I'm gonna install a V30 in it myself over the next few months I reckon. I'll make sure I do before and after clips on identical settings to capture the difference.

It does seem reliable though, aside from gigging and being knocked about a bit, I cart it to and from my house to week-day flat twice a week up and down three flights of stairs. No problems yet.
 
Just chiming in here on the Marshall release of the Jubilee. It is NAMM time and i see alot of the bigger guys unveiling new stuff. Fender has a new line called the Bassbreaker that looks mildly interesting and Orange unvelied a schwack of new stuffs!! I like this time of year. All kinds of goodies. They really need to start doing this stuff in august so i i have stuff to ask my wife to get me for Christmas.
 
Tone Threaders - I've said before that EQ should be a slight tit lift and not a full breast implant... I stand by that, but I do want to do a little tweaking on a couple of things. My general rule of thumb would be to cut things where different instruments clash with one another, i.e. my bass is prominent at 100hz so I cut the guitars in this area. Any other bright ideas?
 
On the eq thing, I've noticed most of my guitars have a nasty little bump around 300hz, so check your track with an eq that has a graphical interface, & adjust accordingly. I've had those bumps around 600hz too, just depends on the track....there are other things you can do too, like a hp/lp filter to remove unwanted things like fizz & rumble, but you have to be careful not to over-do it, as it'll literally kill your tone...
 
minerman said:
On the eq thing, I've noticed most of my guitars have a nasty little bump around 300hz, so check your track with an eq that has a graphical interface, & adjust accordingly. I've had those bumps around 600hz too, just depends on the track....there are other things you can do too, like a hp/lp filter to remove unwanted things like fizz & rumble, but you have to be careful not to over-do it, as it'll literally kill your tone...
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Yeah, ReaEQ (reaper) has a graphical interface... I'm just curious as to what is a good bump and what is a nasty bump. I definitely won't be overdoing it. As I said, tit-lift not full implant.
 
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