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Greg_L
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More Greg and faux Mosrite madness!
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Greg_L
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Oh by the way motherbitches...I did an old Hendrix trick last night. I ran a jumper from my Plexi's low input to another amp and cab. Bam, instant double-mono setup and massive tone. I used the Plexi and the JMP 2204.
What was cool was the the guitar signal went through the Plexi's inputs regardless of what the Plexi was doing. I could put the Plexi on standby and the signal still went through to the 2204. All the 2204 sees is guitar signal, so it can be set however I want it. It's not really practical, but it was neat to do.
What was cool was the the guitar signal went through the Plexi's inputs regardless of what the Plexi was doing. I could put the Plexi on standby and the signal still went through to the 2204. All the 2204 sees is guitar signal, so it can be set however I want it. It's not really practical, but it was neat to do.
minerman
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Greg_L
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Lol. My Strat is back on the stand where it belongs!
minerman
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Cool trick there dude, I've never really heard of that....well, I've read about Hendirx daisy-chaining his amps, so, how exactly do you hook 'em up??? Just a guitar cable from the low input on your plexi to the input of another amp???
Clips dude....
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
That is SUCH a bad ass looking guitar!
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retroreprobate
That is a lovely looking guitar.
I was very tempted until I saw the price PLUS postage.
PS. Why the hell are Danelectro guitars fetching $700 - $800 these days for an MIC piece of masonite?
I've been in love with the longhorn bass since I saw the Glitter Band live in '73 but NO WAY would I pay that much for an MIC Danno.
I was very tempted until I saw the price PLUS postage.
PS. Why the hell are Danelectro guitars fetching $700 - $800 these days for an MIC piece of masonite?
I've been in love with the longhorn bass since I saw the Glitter Band live in '73 but NO WAY would I pay that much for an MIC Danno.
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Greg_L
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I'm not sure exactly how Hendrix did it. But I've seen pics of Hendrix, Kossof, and even my favorite antihero Johnny Ramone plugged into one Superlead and there's a guitar cable going from the low input into another head. Two heads obviously can't feed one cab - it would blow it to pieces - so it must just be running another rig all together. And that's what it does. It seems to be no different than jumping channels on one Superlead. Instead of patching back into the normal channel on those heads and blending the two, like a lot of people do with one head, you're jumping to another amp entirely. I suppose I could make a wet/dry dual mono rig. Guitar > straight to Superlead high input 1 > out low input 1 to pedalboard > pedalboard output to amp/cab #2. The Superlead would get straight guitar, amp rig #2 would get effects. They'd both always be on though. I'd need a A/B switcher to kick the "wet" amp on or off. It could work I suppose. I'll test it out today.
Cool trick there dude, I've never really heard of that....well, I've read about Hendirx daisy-chaining his amps, so, how exactly do you hook 'em up??? Just a guitar cable from the low input on your plexi to the input of another amp???
Clips dude....
Thanks guys. It is a beauty for sure. I take my Lester or SGs to gigs and no one bats an eye. The Les Paul gets a little attention because it's a Gold Top. It looks gorgeous under stage lighting and other guitarists are usually the only ones to dig it. But that Hallmark...people literally line up to ask about it and take pics. It's a piece of functional art. It's gorgeous. The shape, the finish, the carves and binding, it's by far the sexiest guitar I have. But with all the questions I've fielded about that guitar, only one person has ever come up and asked "oh my God is that a real Mosrite?"
I should get a free one for all the advertising I do for Hallmark Guitars.
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ecc83
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Re running one amp into another... Son and I did this a few years ago (he play, me solder) when we ran the speaker output (resistively loaded) of an HT-20 into the triode input of a Mersey Super 15 which is essentially a Dominator clone.
The result was a really "creamy" (in the smooth, not Band sense!) AC DC style growl and not a million miles from Billy G. ....Dangers?
It seems triodes can absorb several volts of signal without harm especially since the classic gitamp input always has about 68k of grid stopper. But IF you want to try this make bloody sure the amp DOES have a valve front end! A speaker signal will blow a chip instantly. You might THINK it is a vlave but you can't always be sure.
Dave.
The result was a really "creamy" (in the smooth, not Band sense!) AC DC style growl and not a million miles from Billy G. ....Dangers?
It seems triodes can absorb several volts of signal without harm especially since the classic gitamp input always has about 68k of grid stopper. But IF you want to try this make bloody sure the amp DOES have a valve front end! A speaker signal will blow a chip instantly. You might THINK it is a vlave but you can't always be sure.
Dave.
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Greg_L
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What I was doing had nothing to do with the output side of the amp. I wasn't running one amp into another. I was essentially just splitting the guitar signal through the inputs of a Plexi. It all happens before even the preamp stage.
I'd never run a speaker signal into the front of another amp. I don't know what kind of internal electrical struggles that might cause, but I can't imagine it would sound good anyway. There's no reason for it.
Some dudes run a wet/dry/wet scenario using one dry base tone amp, coming out of the effects loop into stereo effects units, and then running the stereo effects into the returns of two other amps for a true stereo spread. Dry tone in the middle, wet effects to the sides. I guess it's cool if you play guitar-centric music that can utilize all that bullshit. I'm not that guy.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
yeah, basically all that's happening is the hi and lo inputs act like a 'Y' cord. So you can plug the other half of that 'Y' cord back into the other channel of the amp or into a different amp.
It probably sounds a little different than just using a 'Y' cord because there is some loading there, but it's basically just a splitter.
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Greg_L
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Right, exactly. That's basically how it is. I've never tried an actual Y-cable, and I don't understand the electrical theory of it, but I've read that a Y-cable does sound slightly different from jumping the inputs on a Plexi type amp. Some people prefer to plug straight in and jumper the inputs, some people prefer the Y-cable split before the inputs. Supposedly something happens to the impedance of the guitar signal as it passes through the Plexi inputs that doesn't happen with a Y-cable. I don't know, I've only read that, and I have no idea how noticeable it actually is. I did notice when running from the Plexi input to the 2204 that the 2204 sounded a little different from usual. It had a little less clarity in the highs. Maybe those longs runs of cable shed some high end.
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ecc83
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"I'd never run a speaker signal into the front of another amp. I don't know what kind of internal electrical struggles that might cause, but I can't imagine it would sound good anyway. "
Certainly not best practice Greg! But we were messing about and son asked what would happen and I reasoned that the worst case scenario was a blown ECC83 so we gave it a shot!
On overlong guitar leads, yes some top chop but it can get complicated because you can shift the pickup resonance point which interacts with amp voicing which changes what distorts where and how much! This is the infuriating, time consuming, wonderfully absorbing world of the electric guitar. Literally limitless possibilities. Wish I could still work with them and fekkin' hear 'em!
Dave.
Certainly not best practice Greg! But we were messing about and son asked what would happen and I reasoned that the worst case scenario was a blown ECC83 so we gave it a shot!
On overlong guitar leads, yes some top chop but it can get complicated because you can shift the pickup resonance point which interacts with amp voicing which changes what distorts where and how much! This is the infuriating, time consuming, wonderfully absorbing world of the electric guitar. Literally limitless possibilities. Wish I could still work with them and fekkin' hear 'em!
Dave.
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Greg_L
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Okay here's a sample of the pseudo-stereo setup. I don't know what I'm doing but here it goes anyway. I'm not gonna type out all the settings and shit. The chain goes like this:
SG > Plexi high input 1 > low input 1 > JVM 410
Plexi > Greenback cab > Audix i5 > left channel
JVM > V30 cab > SM57 > right channel
Both amps set to same relative volume and semi-similar tones
I kick the reverb on and off on the JVM.
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SG > Plexi high input 1 > low input 1 > JVM 410
Plexi > Greenback cab > Audix i5 > left channel
JVM > V30 cab > SM57 > right channel
Both amps set to same relative volume and semi-similar tones
I kick the reverb on and off on the JVM.
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minerman
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Wow Greg, that actually sounds pretty fuckin' good man....I personally don't care for the 'verb, but that's got potential to have a huge sound man!!!
Just curious, how far out are the tracks panned in the daw???
Just curious, how far out are the tracks panned in the daw???
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Greg_L
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Thanks. The tracks are 70% L and R. I really see no good reason to do any of this for recording. Not for the sounds I want or the way I mix. Not a dual-mono setup anyway. Totally pointless. I'd still have to double track to fill the L and R of a mix with guitars. This just collapses to mono when it's in phase because it's just one guitar playing one thing. I can mic 30 cabs and it's still just mega-mono. You can notice that it doesn't actually sound very "stereo" until the reverb tails off. I need to go true stereo for this to be worthwhile.
But....in person....here in the room, it sounds pretty fucking gigantic.
But....in person....here in the room, it sounds pretty fucking gigantic.
minerman
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Maybe that's why Hendrix & all those other guys did that shit??? I dunno, I see your point about going true stereo though....
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Greg_L
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They probably did it because they needed huge volume back then to fill venues with sound.
In true stereo, with an actual stereo effect bouncing back and forth, it'll be better. But still unnecessary for recording.
minerman
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Yeah man, no doubt.....AFAIK, that's why those amps were so loud to begin with, they didn't mic 'em up or anything, just the raw power of the amps are what the audience got, right???
+1...It'd be a lot easier just to record a regular/mono track, & put a stereo effect on it in the daw, pretty much like what I do for fx....
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Greg_L
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Yup, I see no need at all to run a wet/dry rig for recording unless you are just madly in love with specific sounds you get from specific pieces of gear in your rig, or you just like entertaining yourself. I bet most wet/dry amp people are just entertaining themselves. If you're just looking for basic time based effects on your tracks, then plug-ins are better. I don't use any guitar effects in stereo, so it does me no good either way. In hundreds of mixes I can probably count on one hand the times I've used stereo delay or flanger. Reverb is the only stereo effect I use in the DAW.
I do use my effects sometimes, but always in mono. I decided a long time ago that I'm not using any plug-ins if I don't need to.
I do use my effects sometimes, but always in mono. I decided a long time ago that I'm not using any plug-ins if I don't need to.