The New Tone Thread

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Sounds good. Nice and subtle.

I think there's a setting inside the Flashback that I need to check. It's got a dry kill or something that I think is supposed to be engaged maybe when using it in the loop. I think it's supposed to only let the delay back into the amp or something. way over my head.
 
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You can do that man, & it's pretty simple from reading the manual...only thing is, you will have to change the pedal from true bypass to buffered, which may or may not affect your tone, you'll just have to try it to find out....And the manual says your loop needs to be a parallel loop (which I have no idea about any of your amps)...


Cool pedal man, make me want one even more....

But, I'll just stick to my vst effects in the daw, I've got 100% control over them, & can do about anything I want with 'em...Reaper kicks ass!!!
 
Greg_L said:
Hey minermaniac, I've been futzing around with my Flashback delay. I'm probably the worst guy to demo this thing, but here's a little snippet for ya.

Gibson Angus SG - Angus sig bridge pickup
Marshall JVM410 - OD1 channel Orange mode
Bass - 4
Mid - 6
Treb - 4
Presence - 2
Gain - 2
Channel vol - 5
Master vol - 4
TC Electronic Flashback Delay in fx loop
Tape setting - Level 11:00 - Speed 12:00 - Feedback - 10:00
Marshall 1960A 4x12 - Celestion G12-65 - SM57 on axis, on grill, halfway to edge.
No EQ or fx in DAW

Sputter
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Pretty good, but not my favorite from you. And yeah, the delay sounds like a reverb to me. To me this tone would work well for a guitar riff or lead-ish part. If you took out the reverb. :) Greg using reverb/delay in amounts like this is like dog mating with cats. It goes against all that is good and pure in this world. :)
 
you'd only use the 'dry kill' IF your loop is a parallel loop.
If it's a series loop then you'd lost the dry signal and only get echo.
But if it's a parrallel loop then it's like adding delay on a mixing board ..... you still have the dry guitar no matter where you set the delay.

My 6101 has a switch where you can choose parallel or series ........it's not very important though when the amp is silent. :D
 
TripleM said:
Pretty good, but not my favorite from you. And yeah, the delay sounds like a reverb to me. To me this tone would work well for a guitar riff or lead-ish part. If you took out the reverb. :) Greg using reverb/delay in amounts like this is like dog mating with cats. It goes against all that is good and pure in this world. :)
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Yeah it's surely not my thing. But I might as well try to figure it out. Maybe one day I'll want to go all Steve Vai on your asses. :laughings:

Lt. Bob said:
you'd only use the 'dry kill' IF your loop is a parallel loop.
If it's a series loop then you'd lost the dry signal and only get echo.
But if it's a parrallel loop then it's like adding delay on a mixing board ..... you still have the dry guitar no matter where you set the delay.

My 6101 has a switch where you can choose parallel or series ........it's not very important though when the amp is silent. :D
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I've set the effects loop to full "wet" on the JVM, and I think that's considered series. As far as I can tell it sends everything to the board and back again. I've semi-confirmed the dry-kill and the full wet loop by using the reverse delay setting on the pedal. In this configuration, there is no original guitar sound, only the backwards delay. It's a very off-putting sound, but it seems to be working like it should. It sounds like everything is being played backwards.
 
Spent a couple hours today cleaning, re-stringing & setting the intonation on the strat (I thought it was a Squire, but it actually says "Starcaster" on the headstock & has a little Fender logo, but wasn't the Starcaster a hollow body guitar??) the girlfriend got me a couple/few months ago...I'd originally thought about putting the single coils (actually just swap the whole pickguard/pickups out) in my MIM Strat, but fuck it, I'll have true single coil tones now with the Squire, plus the strat I already had with a humbucker...

I have no idea how much she gave for the guitar, not much I'm assuming, she got it from some young kid through a yard sale thing on Facebook...I just could not believe how fuckin' dirty this guitar was...I don't keep my guitars spotless or anything, but I do have to say, this was the dirtiest, nastiest, crudded-up guitar I'd ever saw in my life...

Here it is, in all it's glory....:laughings:.



Actually, it plays & sounds pretty good considering it's a cheap guitar, plus, I won't be using it all that much either really....I did run it through the DSL after I got done with the strings/setup, & it sounds ok....Not great, but I didn't expect much from it honestly...

I dunno if the knobs are what came on the guitar from the factory, but they look yellowed up, & I actually soaked them in fuckin' bleach trying to get them white again, the pickguard & pickups were almost that color before I cleaned it up...I took all the saddles off/apart, did a pretty thorough job on it...Again, I could not believe how dirty this thing was, so with a little elbow grease, & a little time spent on the action, I've got strat toans now whenever I want 'em...:)
 
Hey guys,

I did some more reamping. This recording is using 5 different microphones on the same take. The AKG c414 that was close up crapped out pretty quickly. Even with the gain rolled off to 0, it was still clipping with the cardio setting. I thought you guys might be interested in something like this.




Guitar is my Epi LP going in the DV Mark Triple 6 on the high gain channel into a 1x12 Orange cab in a very dead room. And I turned up the master volume all the way because Greg recommend it :D

1st mic: AKG c414 in cardiod mode right one the cab
2nd mic: AKG c414 in omni mode about 70cm away from the cab
3rd mic: Sennheiser e609 right on the cab
4th mic: Beta 57 right on the cab
5th mic: SM57 right on the cab
 
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The second one sounds the best to me but I personally don't care much for any of those tones dude...I'm curious to what other mics you used besides the AKG....

FWIW, I've got 5 mics: '57, e609, Samson C0-1, Behringer C1, & a Carvin CTM100...the last 3 are condensers & they all clip really easily, even with the pre-amp gain turned all the way down...Can't remember exactly, but I think I can get the Chupacabra on about 3 in 80's mode (which is a lot quieter than regular/plexi mode) with the Carvin before it starts to clip, & the sweet spot of that amp is about 6-7....

I'm not saying you can't get good recorded tones at low volume, but it does help to get a little air moving through the cab, & my condenser mics can't handle it...

I'll try to post up some tones in a little while...
 
The gain might have been a bit hot. I was also using .10 strings on a drop B tuning, which muddies the tone a bit. I think that it clears up a lot when I play the end riff, which is played on the strings that are in E standard.
It's a pretty heavy metal tune. I'm rather certain that it'll all make more sense in the context of the finished song.
 
Schwarzenyaeger said:
The gain might have been a bit hot. I was also using .10 strings on a drop B tuning, which muddies the tone a bit. I think that it clears up a lot when I play the end riff, which is played on the strings that are in E standard.
It's a pretty heavy metal tune. I'm rather certain that it'll all make more sense in the context of the finished song.
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Yeah dude, I figured it was a metal tune pretty quickly there...lol...

I still like the 2nd tone best....
 
Well, it's got some heavy riffs but it's actually mostly in E major and has more of a heavy southern rock vibe to it. It's just really that part that sounds that way.

Either way, I unfortunately lost access to the Marshall 4x12 this week.
 
Ok, here's the cheap strat ran through the DSL...I did add some delay in the daw though, to keep it from sounding like complete shit...:laughings:.

Strat > Danelectro vibe > DSL > '65 > '57

Danelectro Cool Cat Vibe:
Mix: 2-3
Speed: 3-4
Intensity: 5-6

DSL: 50w mode, OD1
Resonance: 0
Presence: 3
Bass: 5
Mids: 10
Treble: 4
Volume: 3
Gain: 7

Cheap stratw/vibe

Sorry this clip is so long, I actually like how this sounds...lol...Like any single coil guitar, it can get pretty harsh sounding pretty quick, this is the neck pickup all the way through, I was trying to keep it from being so harsh, & give it a little bottom at the same time....
 
I think a tad less gain would have made it better.
I feel like it's breaking up just a moment too soon.
 
Schwarz - I never said crank it all the way. Lol. I said it's goofy to compromise your volume and tone just so you can use a specific condenser mic. And I was right because section 3 sounds best to me in your clip. The 609. Dynamic mics on guitar cabs just work well and they can handle the noise.

Minermanilow - Lol. A Strat huh? I'd like to say I'm happy for you, but I detest Strats. It's funny though because I was just about to do some Strat tones myself. It's the one guitar I never use for recording, live, or in this tone thread. Mine just sits there untouched in perpetuity. Your clip definitely sounds like a Strat. I think it's a little harsh though. Maybe too much gain for the sound. Maybe it's just a Strat. They almost can't not sound like nails on a chalkboard to me.

BTW, those "Starcasters" are the Sams/Wal-Mart Strats. They were made just for those retail locations. Costco too. I remember seeing Starcasters all the time at Sam's Club. The pickups are as you'd probably expect from a wal-mart guitar. I bet if you throw some nice windings in there it'll be pretty decent. It could be a good base for some parts swapping and project work.
 
I tend to work in hyperboles.
The 609 brings out the attack of the notes a lot and makes it sound really dry. Definitely a lot better than the boomy Beta 57 and the "good but whatever" Sm57.
 
I think 609s lend themselves to heavy drop tuned stuff. The mic naturally has a sort of mid-scooped kind of sound with blazing highs. It's a good match for that kind of tone.

57s are good for more traditional rock tones because they kind of hype the mids it seems. I could use a single 57 all day long and be happy with it.
 
Greg_L said:
Schwarz - I never said crank it all the way. Lol. I said it's goofy to compromise your volume and tone just so you can use a specific condenser mic. And I was right because section 3 sounds best to me in your clip. The 609. Dynamic mics on guitar cabs just work well and they can handle the noise.
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:laughings:I was waiting on you response to this dude....I gave up on my condenser mic tones, at least for anything with any gain to it at all, the mics I have just can't handle the SPL's, even at pretty low volumes with the Chupacabra all my condenser mics clip...That's the whole reason I have the '57 & 609...;). I think I need one more good, dynamic mic, like an i5 to round out my little collection for my guitars...The condensers I have could work for some tones, but not the cranked up roar...

Greg_L said:
Minermanilow - Lol. A Strat huh? I'd like to say I'm happy for you, but I detest Strats. It's funny though because I was just about to do some Strat tones myself. It's the one guitar I never use for recording, live, or in this tone thread. Mine just sits there untouched in perpetuity. Your clip definitely sounds like a Strat. I think it's a little harsh though. Maybe too much gain for the sound. Maybe it's just a Strat. They almost can't not sound like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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Wow...lol....the Gerg with a strat....I knew you had one, you've had that thing for years, right??? I probably did have too much gain, & it probably would sound better with the Chupa with the bright switches centered...The DSL is bright as fuck to begin with, then add the single coils and.....

Greg_L said:
BTW, those "Starcasters" are the Sams/Wal-Mart Strats. They were made just for those retail locations. Costco too. I remember seeing Starcasters all the time at Sam's Club. The pickups are as you'd probably expect from a wal-mart guitar. I bet if you throw some nice windings in there it'll be pretty decent. It could be a good base for some parts swapping and project work.
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Didn't know that, & to be honest, don't really give a fuck...:D.I don't have a thing in it, other than a set of strings, a 1/4" jack, & a couple hours of my time...I could stick that Duncan Custom Custom in it, hook up a coil tap switch, & still have single coils along with a hot-rodded type tone...That's what I'd originally planned on doing to my blue strat, but just never did it....I am gonna take a piece of sandpaper to the headstock & grind that "Starcaster" logo off.....More than likely, that's all I'll do to it is sand the logo off of it though...:laughings:. Fuck, I might use this guitar to practice some mods, I could call it the "guinea pig guitar"....:).
 
Yeah guys, the 609 is a bit sizzly sounding, it kinda reminds me of my condenser mics in a way, it's got that really pronounced high-end to it...
 
Yeah I've had my Strat for over 20 years now. I only keep it because my dad gave it to me and it's been with of me for most of my adult life.. It's a 91 MIM. I think that might be the first year for the mexican model. It was my only guitar for a very very long time. It was my workhorse for a whole lot of punk rock shows. It's been through it all. Now it just sits there getting dusty. It doesn't rock like my Gibsons, and the Hallmark Mosrite kills it for surfy awesomeness....and the Hallmark indisputably looks better.



It originally had a white pickguard and white pickup covers. I painted the pickguard and yanked the pickup covers. Smartly, I left the knobs white, and lost one of them along the way. The little toggle is a bridge + neck switch, or all pickups three on. It also had hot rod parts and looney toons stickers all over it at one time. :laughings:
 
That's actually a cool looking strat Greg....Cool thing is the little toggle switch....

Ok, since we're on the subject of strats, to me, a maple fretboard just looks "right" to me on a strat...The rosewood/ebony fretboards just don't look right to me, what do you say 'bout that???
 
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