The New Tone Thread

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Hey minermaniac, I've been futzing around with my Flashback delay. I'm probably the worst guy to demo this thing, but here's a little snippet for ya.

Gibson Angus SG - Angus sig bridge pickup
Marshall JVM410 - OD1 channel Orange mode
Bass - 4
Mid - 6
Treb - 4
Presence - 2
Gain - 2
Channel vol - 5
Master vol - 4
TC Electronic Flashback Delay in fx loop
Tape setting - Level 11:00 - Speed 12:00 - Feedback - 10:00
Marshall 1960A 4x12 - Celestion G12-65 - SM57 on axis, on grill, halfway to edge.
No EQ or fx in DAW

Sputter
 
Dude, I love the way your amps sound, but that delay kills your tone...lol...I know you were just kinda giving me an idea of what it sounds like though & it's cool...

It sounds more like a reverb than a delay to me, but it's probably just the amount & type of fx you have dialed in...

That's a stereo pedal, right??? Fuck dude, you could put that last in your chain, send one side out to one amp, the other to another, & have a bad-ass stereo setup with it...

I'm pretty curious about that pedal though man, that's the tape echo setting right??? Are any of the other settings/types any more hi-fi sounding (that setting seems to kill the highs on the repeats, which I'm guessing is what a real tape echo does...just guessing here though, only experience I have with a tape echo is the vst versions in the ampsims I have....:laughings:)???

Post up some more clips of that thing if you get time dude...
 
Haha yes, it definitely hammers a rhythm tone. I like the dull tape sound for leads though. But that's just one setting and I barely know how to use it. I have the fx loop set 50/50 wet/dry. That's another function I barely know how to use. Lol.

I'll run it through it's settings with a cleaner sound so you can hear it better. It does have more digital/hifi type settings. I just like the darker type delays because I only ever use it for surf/rockabilly sounding stuff. I have no idea how to do good rock lead tone.
 
That's cool man...I really have no idea about how to help you set up your fx loop though, the DSL/Chupa doesn't have a mix knob, only send/return....

On the lead tone, try the "2290" setting, with the time, feedback & level knobs set to taste....I depends on the song too, but in plug-in land, I usually start with the time around 300 ms, but have no idea how to do that with the pedal though...

You know, that's something that absolutely pissed me off about the POD X3L I had, that thing had like 10 different delays, 3-4 chorus, just a shit-load of effects (you could only use one delay at a time, one chorus, etc), you could put 'em about anywhere in the chain (pre/post loop), but it sounded like ass through the loop of any of my amps. I fucked with that thing for a couple of years (with the HT-5, T15, DSL-1, DSL100 & Chupacabra), but could never get it to sound natural, like a chain of real stompboxes...Fucked with the input/output levels, everything I could think of, & it always had this "blanket" over the amp's sound, regardless of how I had it hooked up (4-cable method, straight in like a stompbox, only using the delay/chorus/etc in the loop), but I could un-hook that thing, then plug my guitar straight into the amp(s), & it was like night/day....ok...rant over....Just makes me wonder if there was something wrong with the one I had...
 
The 2290 is very very clean and precise. I think it's modeled after some digital rack shredder thing, but I don't know. I never use that setting. Maybe I should just get rid of this stupid thing. :laughings:

I'll try some more tomorrow.
 
Greg_L said:
The 2290 is very very clean and precise. I think it's modeled after some digital rack shredder thing, but I don't know. I never use that setting. Maybe I should just get rid of this stupid thing. :laughings:
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No dude, don't get rid of it!!!

I think the 2290 is modeled after the delay U2's guitarist used all those years, not 100% sure though...When used sparingly, that setting could be great dude, you'll just have to dig into the pedal & try out some different settings...A lot of it depends on the song too man, don't give up on it just yet....
 
This thread always makes me happy. Like a high five from a friend you haven't seen in forever.

My studio PC is officially kaput. So no Toans right now from me. I'll just sit here and listen to you turkeys jam. Wonderful stuff.
 
Greg_L said:
Hey minermaniac, I've been futzing around with my Flashback delay. I'm probably the worst guy to demo this thing, but here's a little snippet for ya.

Gibson Angus SG - Angus sig bridge pickup
Marshall JVM410 - OD1 channel Orange mode
Bass - 4
Mid - 6
Treb - 4
Presence - 2
Gain - 2
Channel vol - 5
Master vol - 4
TC Electronic Flashback Delay in fx loop
Tape setting - Level 11:00 - Speed 12:00 - Feedback - 10:00
Marshall 1960A 4x12 - Celestion G12-65 - SM57 on axis, on grill, halfway to edge.
No EQ or fx in DAW

Sputter
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It does actually sound like a reverb! That amp just has an awesome bite, so does that guitar. Sounds like arena rock to me, with the delay feedback. I don't think that it kills the tone of that amp, but it does change the vibe quite a bit. In limited application, I like it. But I wouldn't say it's a go-to tone.

I've got a delay pedal arriving tomorrow that I'm anxious to check out. JHS Panther Cub, I think it'll be sweet.
 
Here's a mono tonal laugh for you.
A picture of a young SRV playing a Bruno Royal Artist guitar.
I have two of these - I did have a 3rd but it was stolen during a break in and not recovered.
I'm sure he made it sound sweet. Single coil, semi acoustic, Matsumoko factory tobacco burst with faux tortoise shell pick guard and PU surrounds.
SRV early gtr.webp
 
well the Marshall 6101 has pooped out.
I went to do some work on some tunes I gotta play tonight and she no make no sound!
Not blowing fuses ...... just nothing from the power section ...... power tubes aren't lighting up.

hmmmm ..... that's a complicated PIA amp to work on ........ eventually I guess I'll tear it down and see what i can figure out.
I've been in there before ........ multiple overlapping circuit boards and surface mounted pots etc.
A total piece of crap actually ...... had to have come out at a time when Marshall was going the way of many mass produced amps.

I'll say this though ....... if I can't fix it I'll basically throw it away.
I ain't putting any more money into that fragile POS.

If I can't fix it I'll probably throw the amp part into a dumpster and use the cab for something!
 
Marshalls suck ass! :D

I think you should fix it and sell it right away. Those 6100 amps have a cult following.
 
Greg_L said:
Marshalls suck ass! :D

I think you should fix it and sell it right away. Those 6100 amps have a cult following.
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well, watching ya'lls Marshalls shows me that they must have pulled back from that mass produced surface mount shit ........ the new amps aren't like this so good for them.
But this was in 1992 when everyone was going for the cheapest possible way to build something.

I was just about to sell it too.
The whole thing is IF I can fix it.
Last time it crapped out it cost me 350 to get it going again ..... no way I'm gonna pay anyone to fix it .... it could easily cost as much as I'd get selling it. ..... either I fix it myself or it goes to the dump.

Fortunately I have no emotional involvement with my gear ...... other than the money thing I truly don't care.
 
I think unfortunately maybe yours is a lemon, or maybe that run of that model is bad or something. I don't know. I only say that because even from that same time period of board mounted pots and stuff, many other models are still kicking strong. Like JCM 900s. There must be a billion of those things still kicking.

6100s are pretty advanced for their time too. Maybe the design team's vision outpaced the manufacturing know how.
 
Greg_L said:
6100s are pretty advanced for their time too. Maybe the design team's vision outpaced the manufacturing know how.
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I think they did ...... plus this is pretty cheap surface mount stuff. For example, the pots are the tiniest pots I've ever seen on any amp EVER!
Absolutely, unbelievably small pots. I remember my complete and total disappointment with the build quality the first time I opened it up.

And the channel switching is done by a HUGE chip ..... the chip's the size of a credit card!
And ALL the chip does is switch channels! :eek:
If the chip goes out it's stuck in that channel forever.

Somewhere I read the problem with them is the 3 circuit boards all crammed in there generate too much heat but I always keep a fan on all my amps ...... they never even get warm to the touch so that's not what killed this one.

We'll see ...... it could be as simple as a fractured solder joint ....... no big loss ...... I've always considered it fragile ...... no way I'd gig with it so it mostly takes up space.
 
Lol. Okay minermongo, here's a clip with the Flashback on the 2290 setting. I don't know if this is any better.

Angus SG - bridge pickup full vol, tone rolled to 4
Marshall JVM410 - OD1 channel, Green mode
Bass - 4
Mid - 6
Treb - 4
Pres - 2
Gain - 4.5
Channel vol - 5
Master vol - 5
TC Electronic Flashback Delay in effects loop - 2290 setting - Delay 12:00 - Feedback 10:00 - FX level 1:00 - FX loop 95% wet
Marshall 1960B 4x12 - Vintage 30 - SM57 on axis, 4" off grill, halfway to edge
No EQ or effects in DAW

Death to Amerika!
 
Bob: Sorry to hear about your amp trouble dude, maybe it's something simple & you'll be able to fix it without throwing it in the trash...lol...You need to post that in the Marshall forum, I bet some of those guys would have a fuckin' stroke when they read that...

Greg: That clip sounds much better to me dude...The repeats don't have the high-end roll-off like the other did...I know it's a tape echo sim on the other clip, but myself, I like the delay to sound pretty much like the original signal...

I'm also so used to plug-ins that it's not funny...I keep wanting to hear it bounce back/forth in the speakers/'phones, in stereo...:facepalm:.

Seems like a nice pedal dude, & the price isn't too bad compared to a lot of others with the same features...
 
I've used it in stereo before. I ran it to two amps and two cabs. Mic'd each cab. Pan to taste. It's a real pain in the ass. But that's true stereo delay.

I'll do some trippy reverse shit with it next. I think I got that part of it figured out.
 
Ok, here's some delay shit I was fucking around with, added in the daw of course....It's supposed to be an old tape echo sim, it's the one in GR5...Nothing special, but I do like the stereo effect these plugs add to my tracks...

I did roll the guitar's volume up/down a little in spots, not much though....I just picked a preset in GR5, & adjusted the mix to about 80% dry inside GR5's gui....

LP > Bogner Red > DSL > '65 > '57


Bogner:
Volume: 7
Treble: 5-6
Mid: 5-6
Bass: 4-5
Gain: 7-8
Variac: On
Mode: Tight
Pre-eq: C
Structure: 20th

DSL:
Green clean
50w mode
Resonance: 0
Presence: 5
Bass: 3
Mid: 7
Treble: 5
Volume: 1-2
Gain: 8



DSL Delay


I've got pretty much endless possibilities with these plug-ins, more so than I'd probably ever have with pedals, & they're much easier for me to tweak/adjust, plus I can save 'em as presets, so I'm just gonna stick with the vst's....
 
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