The New Tone Thread

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minerman said:
OK Bob, I thought you were referring to an "all in one" thing like the HD 8...... ......
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yeah, now I realize that's probably how it was coming across to everyone.

And actually I do think that 'stand alone' does mean the all in one boxes so i'm not really sure what the proper terminology would be for what I mean.

But essentially my set up is exactly the same as an all analog guy would use with the single exception of the recording media being digital rather than tape.
Other than that I use the same patch bays and rack gear and even mostly the same recording process as an all analog studio would use.

So for me, for example, an analog mixer isn't optional ..... it's required.
Well, unless I could afford one of those nice digital mixers ..... but either way i have to have a mixing console .... patch bays .... etc. etc.
 
This is all very encouraging. Mineman, I had no idea that you have only been at digital recording for 4 years. You're a lot like msyelf insofar as you work full time and squeeze in your music on the side. You get some impressive results. I can't wait to get up and running again.

Boob, I always remember that Donald Fagen made the first all digital CD; The Nightfly. It's what got me back into it in the first place.



I am planning to use a piece of hardware that I bought as a control surface / mixing board when I get far enough along. It is a Novation ZERO SL MKII, pretty cool little board that you can map to different parameters and lose the mouse while you are mixing.

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As far as whatever it is that you are using (and I do know what it is), you have a LOT more experience than most of us do, and it is a tried, true and respectable method of obtaining the desired result.
 
Sam: Yeah, I haven't been at it very long compared to a lot of guys, but I will say I've spent a lot of time at this shit, a lot. Just keep at it, & it'll happen dude, I will say I had a very good "mentor" that helped me along the way. I'd send him a mix, & he'd listen, then reply back to what he thought I should do to it, several times a day sometimes. I'm sure he kept gettin sick of hearing the same song(s) over & over, but he never turned me down, not once when I asked for his opinion/help with a song/mix. While I've never met him (he lives in Denver, CO, & I live in VA) in person, we became really good online friends. Phone calls were pretty regular (at least once a week or so, sometimes every day), & we even set up our webcams so we could see each other while we talked. Really helpful guy, that knows a lot about music & mixing. While he's into a lot more laid back music than I am, it still helped me along my way to where I am now.....I still have a long way to go, & learn something every day, but that's just the way it is, you'll never know everything, it's a never ending learning process.......

On the control surface, I've been looking at those for a long time, & it would be great to be able to use a fader when mixing (especially automation), but just haven't gotten around to buying one.....There are a few different control surfaces that would be really nice, but for me, the "one fader" thing would probably be more than enough (Faderport I think, & there's another one pretty similar just can't remember the name)...

PreSonus FaderPort USB MIDI Studio DAW Controller at AMS


Just keep at it Sam, & it'll happen. Like I mentioned, I've spent the last 4 years doing this, many, many hours, & I still feel like a noob compared to a lot of people.....

Off to work I go, last shift this week.....hopefully....
 
Telegram Sam said:
Boob, I always remember that Donald Fagen made the first all digital CD; The Nightfly. .
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nope ...... 1st all digital major label release was Ry Cooder's 'Bop 'till You Drop'.
I still listen to the LP from time to time.
 
Lt. Bob said:
nope ...... 1st all digital major label release was Ry Cooder's 'Bop 'till You Drop'.
I still listen to the LP from time to time.
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Is that true? I thought I'd read somewhere that the first all digital to CD project was some U2 thing from the 90's.
 
Bop 'till You Drop was definitely the first totally digitally recorded record released by a large label.

Only thing I'm not sure of is ..... 'was it released on CD at that time or not?'
There might not have even been CD's yet.

Everyone I knew was still playing LPs so it may be that it was digitally recorded but was pre-CD.

I remember at the time we were all marvelling at this new way of recording but it pressed was on vinyl.
 
Lt. Bob said:
Bop 'till You Drop was definitely the first totally digitally recorded record released by a large label.

Only thing I'm not sure of is ..... 'was it released on CD at that time or not?'
There might not have even been CD's yet.

Everyone I knew was still playing LPs so it may be that it was digitally recorded but was pre-CD.

I remember at the time we were all marvelling at this new way of recording but it pressed was on vinyl.
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I see. So it was the first digital recording, but pressed to vinyl.

This is from wikitardia about the first CD pressings....

The first test CD was pressed in Langenhagen near Hannover, Germany, by the Polydor Pressing Operations plant. The disc contained a recording of Richard Strauss's Eine Alpensinfonie (in English, An Alpine Symphony), played by the Berlin Philharmonic and conducted by Herbert von Karajan.[13] The first public demonstration was on the BBC television program Tomorrow's World when The Bee Gees' album Living Eyes (1981) was played.[14] In August 1982 the real pressing was ready to begin in the new factory, not far from the place where Emile Berliner had produced his first gramophone record 93 years earlier. By now, Deutsche Grammophon, Berliner's company and the publisher of the Strauss recording, had become a part of PolyGram. The first CD to be manufactured at the new factory was The Visitors (1981) by ABBA.[15] The first album to be released on CD was Billy Joel's 52nd Street, that reached the market alongside Sony's CD player CDP-101 on October 1, 1982 in Japan.[16]
On March 2, 1983 CD players and discs (16 titles from CBS Records) were released in the United States and other markets.[citation needed] This event is often seen as the "Big Bang" of the digital audio revolution. The new audio disc was enthusiastically received, especially in the early-adopting classical music and audiophile communities, and its handling quality received particular praise. As the price of players gradually came down, the CD began to gain popularity in the larger popular and rock music markets. The first artist to sell a million copies on CD was Dire Straits, with its 1985 album Brothers in Arms.[17] The first major artist to have his entire catalogue converted to CD was David Bowie, whose 15 studio albums were made available by RCA Records in February 1985, along with four Greatest Hits albums.[18] In 1988, 400 million CDs were manufactured by 50 pressing plants around the world
 
Greg_L said:
I see. So it was the first digital recording, but pressed to vinyl.
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oh yeah ...... that's what it was. After reading that Wiki article you quoted Cds didn't really come out till early 80s sothe Ry Cooder album had to be pre-CD since I remember it being early 70's when it came out.

That's sorta cool ..... recorded digitally before there were CDs.
 
Lt. Bob said:
That's sorta cool ..... recorded digitally before there were CDs.
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Yup, interesting. I bet doing things digitally was all the rage before it became so commonplace. Now it's so normal that using all analog is a marketing tool. I'd love to record to tape on good equipment. Not enough to even think about going there though. I find it hard to believe I'd sound any different on tape.
 
Sky Blue Lou said:
It would be "warmer".

lol

What's the point of that?
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Lol. Theoretically you could assume that it would be "warmer". But I'm gonna mix it to sound like I want it to sound regardless of how it was recorded. If I'm playing the parts and riding the faders, I'd bet it's gonna sound like a Greg mix, and that's all.
 
Bumping this thread to the first page guys......no clips now, but will have in the next week or so. I'll be getting a couple high gain pre-amp tubes for my Tweaker I won in another forum contest.....I know one is a NOS Mullard 12ax7 (had my pick between the Mullard & an Amperex from one guy, & another pre-amp tube from another guy), but don't know what the other one will be. The guy who's sending the "mystery" tube wheels/deals a lot of tubes, so I'm sure it'll be a good one....He's actually one of the people that convinced me to buy the T15, he has one & knows it inside/out, so again, I'm sure the tube he's gonna send will be a good one...........
 
Hey guys,No clips as of yet, but I have been doing some tube rolling in my Tweaker, here's some pics. Should have some new clips in a couple days......Baldwin labeled GE 12ax7:
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6P3S Russian power tube
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Sylvania 12ax7:
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Mullard 12ax7 (in the very back, V1), EH/Egnater in V2 (effects loop), Shungang 5751 in V3 (PI)....
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I put the GE in V2, & the Sylvania in V3 today, with the 6P3S power tubes, & it sounds & feels like a totally different amp. Got all these tubes for free too, some guys in another forum sent 'em to me. I also have a set of 6K6GT's & 6V6GT power tubes they sent!!! :D Clips to come in a day or so......
 
minerman said:
Hey guys,No clips as of yet, but I have been doing some tube rolling in my Tweaker, here's some pics. Should have some new clips in a couple days......Baldwin labeled GE 12ax7:
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I love those old Baldwin and Sylvania preamp tubes.
 
I'm not much of a tube roller and I have tried quite a few NOS tubes and I do think in general the hype about them is somewhat overblown.
I've found the differences to often be not that great.
Having said that ..... from time to time you'll find some that really make a difference ..... I had an old GE 12ax7 that truly transformed Blues Junior from crap to usable all by itself.

I don't care that much though and just grab some JJs whenever I need tubes.
 
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