Studio Projects

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one room, you missed ronans point....he said those mics were good for what they were...he didnt say not to buy them...hes just saying they arent in the same league as the big boys.....

where he is of course wrong.....

im still curious which models of Studio Projects mics he tested......ronan?

57's and a 4 track? ok.....

but instead of a bunch of 57's, how about a 57, a SP B1, a mxlv67, etc etc.....a few different flavors......or are you gonna tell me these mics arent even on par with a 57......
 
Gidge said:
where he is of course wrong.....
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You mean according to your vast experience with all these high end mics? :D That's a good one.
 
you can put me on that "list" for that blind listening test...IF you put the sound source off axis to these mics. Big differences there, I'd be wiling to bet. However, I'd like to challange some of the golden ears around here to tell me the diff between a sm57, md421, re20 or a 637a straight upfront with a screaming guitar as the source. Sure there is a difference, but not so big that getting the sound FIRST will make THAT much difference. For HOME RECORDISTS, that seems to be the challange, NOT what friggin mic they use. That's my rant in this...the most amuzing forum on the boards.
 
mixmkr said:
you can put me on that "list" for that blind listening test...IF you put the sound source off axis to these mics. Big differences there, I'd be wiling to bet. However, I'd like to challange some of the golden ears around here to tell me the diff between a sm57, md421, re20 or a 637a straight upfront with a screaming guitar as the source. Sure there is a difference, but not so big that getting the sound FIRST will make THAT much difference. For HOME RECORDISTS, that seems to be the challange, NOT what friggin mic they use. That's my rant in this...the most amuzing forum on the boards.
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Wait a minute... are you saying there is no big difference between the sound of the SM57 and MD421... or are you saying, YOU can't hear the big difference?
 
chessrock said:
You mean according to your vast experience with all these high end mics? :D That's a good one.
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uhh, youre the one that claims to run with the big boys.....im in my spare bedroom......

are u in for the listening test?
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Well, I would put up a Studio Projects T3 against some major name mics costing 5 times as much (and I don't own or have any SP mics). I'm seriously considering the T3 on my short list of mic buys. It was the most impressive of all the SP mics I listened to.
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The T3 is rather nice, as are pairs of the C4, at least for fingerstyle acoustic guitar (which is all I really do). Hard to beat for the price, particuarly the T3.

Of course, there's that whole thing about "matching" mics with pres. The theory goes that mics will perform better with certain pres and not as well with other pres (all other things being equal). Many folks that have had the luxury of having enough equipment at their disposal to mix and match seem to attest to this. It's probably valid. Certainly makes sense.

I wonder what pres really make the T3 and C4 shine.
 
DJL said:
Wait a minute... are you saying there is no big difference between the sound of the SM57 and MD421... or are you saying, YOU can't hear the big difference?
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what I am saying is that the difference between those mics is MUCH smaller than the obstacles I would bet you have yet to overcome on your own recordings.
 
mixmkr said:
what I am saying is that the difference between those mics is MUCH smaller than the obstacles I would bet you have yet to overcome on your own recordings.
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Oh ok... well, I can't argue with that. However, sometimes the difference between mics can be night and day.
 
mixmkr said:
what I am saying is that the difference between those mics is MUCH smaller than the obstacles I would bet you have yet to overcome on your own recordings.
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...word...
 
I like the C3 much, much better than the C1. More folks should get turned on to the C3.
 
Gidge said:
uhh, youre the one that claims to run with the big boys.....im in my spare bedroom......

are u in for the listening test?
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Spare bedrooms don't have anything to do with it. I'm merely offering my opinions, as opinions, based on my own direct experience. You're offering yours as if they were fact, based on other people's opinions. :D There's a difference. And no, I'm not participating in any listening tests. I've already got a small group of fellow Tapeopers who do these kinds of tests anyway. It's nothing new. I'll invite you along to the next one if you don't mind coming out to Chicago sometime.
 
yeah i would love to see a test. I actually have some faith in our contestants. I can tell you brand names of guitar amps on recordings. I heard of guys who can tell you the brand name of the freakin recording software used... So mic's should be an easy one... right? whi wil and wants to design a little test?
 
Ronan said:
For what its worth, I have a mic that I bought at the "99cent only store" (an american store where everything cost less than a dollar. Your mic choices where red or blue. I chose red. It ends up on records because it sounds awful and sometimes that's just what the track needs to sound "great"
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One of my favourite female vocalists is Stina Nordenstam she's a big fan of 99c mics and did almost an entire album with them. Really make you think!
 
alanhyatt said:
The USA Dreamteam was picked to win the Gold Medal. Why, because they were the pros, the best of the best, the players everyone wanted on their team to be the very best. After all, they had the best coaches, the best paid players, the best uniforms, the best sneakers, the best room conditions, the best engineers...I mean, they had to win Gold!

To say that the rest of the project basketball teams in the Olympics were "as good or better" is a rediculous assertion to say the least. I guess it was a good thing no one told those other teams. To go further with a low budget team and compare them to the big boys, well, ......it just seems to be, as you say "dumb".

Well the low budget team from Argentina kicked the American teams ass! Oh yes, Davy slew Golith, SP beat Neumann, the Red Sox beat the Yanks! It happens all the time as it did several times to the Dreamteam in this Olympics.

The same holds true with our mikes. They are used by the top pros, and just like the USA Dreamteam, we are not the best mike in the world, but the best mike in the world is not better than us. So, to put these project mics against full blown pro mics and say they are "as good or better" is really an accurate statement. :)
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I will put the best mic's build quality against yours anytime. The best will win everytime. Period. Like you say, any mic CAN be the best tool for a given job. But, I can't seem to find a SP mic in any pro studio I have seen, and I have been to,scoured the web and seen many hundreds of studios out there. I only see the mics I know would be in a pro studio.

The best way to make a name for yourself is to stand on your own. Comparing your mics to the studio "standards" and claiming to be the same. or better, is just not realistic. So, please define your position in the industry and stick to it. If you want to be known as "high-end" then you have a bit of re-design to do, if you want to be known as a good budget mic that is far better sounding/performing than the same $$$ mic in the same market, then quit bashing the high-enders and push YOUR product in YOUR market.
 
DJL said:
I think when someone comes to our mic forum and ask everyone what we think... they want everyones opinion... not just a one sided story. I know I like to hear the pro's and con's... good or bad. And it's about time we let everyone express their opinion (even if we disagree) without being flamed or some distributor trying discredited them and etc.
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Ok, I agree...You Suck!
 
Harvey Gerst said:
I would buy a multi-pattern T3 for the studio before I would buy a U87 (unless someone wanted to sell me a U87 for $600 or so).
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So, just to be more clear... are you saying if the U87 and T3 cost about the same you'd take the U87?
 
alanhyatt said:
Ok, I agree...You Suck!

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio Group
Studio Projects Joemeek Toft Audio
www.pmiaudio.com
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It seems I missed this post of yours to me earlier... is there anything else the spokesman for PMI Audio Group (Studio Projects) would like to say?
 
acorec said:
If you want to be known as "high-end" then you have a bit of re-design to do, if you want to be known as a good budget mic that is far better sounding/performing than the same $$$ mic in the same market, then quit bashing the high-enders and push YOUR product in YOUR market.
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I never said we were a high dollar mic company... and I don't see where I bashed any high dollar mic companies by saying we are as good. I see this is a touchy subject for you, and you get pretty hostile when someone disagrees with you. You should work on that. I guess you did not get the smile after the posting thing....

No sense trying to explain the other side of things to you. You seem to know it all already. So go tell the boys at Oceanway Nashville they don't know what they are doing. I am sure they would love to benefit from your vast knowledge and engineering prowess. Perhaps they will stop using SP mikes after your call.
 
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