Stop calling yourself a "PRODUCER".

[reklus]

No matter how humble or self-deprecating you try to be about your music not being art--broad and condescending remarks like the one above (bolded for you) reveal your real attitude. You're looking down your enlightened nose at all of us.

Enjoy yourself. Someone should.

Or...Your emperor's naked and I'm the one with the robe going "Hey dude...This shit sucks, play some Rock and Fucking Roooooolllll"

See, it's a matter of perspective. I think the aesthetic Rami has chosen is pathetic and painful. You think I'm a talentless hack because I do things that go against your grain. This is natural. My point is that the kind of attitude he espouses has been dominant for so long and it's time for a major change.

Time for music to stop being made for the masses and for soccer moms and white trash assholes to dance to while desperately clinging to teenage feelings.

Time for music to stop being made for focus groups and executives to sue over.

Time for people to stop trying to replicate their childhood memories digitally.

Time for fucking rock and roll to make a comeback.

Time for the Protools attitude of perfection to die.

Time to make some fucking noise.

 

[WhiteStrat]

My response to Reklus' love message : (I'd rep you back--positive, not negative--but I've been too generous in the last 24 hrs, so I'm locked down).

What do I call my attack? I call it a like minded response. The internet version of irony.

You've got a chip on your shoulder that couldn't be removed with a bazooka from 3 feet. Maybe you should learn to roll with it a bit more. Short of that, you're going to give yourself a coronary beating your head against the wall of the heartless, soulless, talentless mass that seem to be surrounding you here.

 

[reklus]

My response to Reklus' love message : (I'd rep you back--positive, not negative--but I've been too generous in the last 24 hrs, so I'm locked down).

What do I call my attack? I call it a like minded response. The internet version of irony.

You've got a chip on your shoulder that couldn't be removed with a bazooka from 3 feet. Maybe you should learn to roll with it a bit more. Short of that, you're going to give yourself a coronary beating your head against the wall of the heartless, soulless, talentless mass that seem to be surrounding you here.

Still think you're a smart guy despite your attitude towards me.

There's some really good stuff on this site, it's just sad that with almost unlimited cheap recording resources compared to ten years ago, people try so hard to sound so bad.

I honestly don't get why anybody would try to make corporate sounding shit of their own. Isn't there enough on this planet already? There's a reason studios are shutting down and the RIAA is panicking that has nothing to do with piracy: There's no good music out there. People just aren't doing their own thing anymore. Everybody has to sound like everything else and people just aren't buying it.

With complete creative freedom and no labels breathing down your necks, such as we have now, wouldn't you expect to see tons of risk taking and original stuff?

Instead all I hear is stuff that may as well be a cover. Where's the underground?

Where are the "let's do it our own way-fuck how it's supposed to be done" people that were around BEFORE it all became so easy and cheap?

 

[Chili]

Too long to explain here, Google it. It's a good word to use when you're taking the piss out of internet nerdistry, as long as people don't think you're actually using the word seriously because that would actually make you a nerd.

It has spread into popular culture though, I saw a sign reading 'John Cena pwns Chris Jericho' behind the ring on a WWE programme the other day.

It's an internet variant of "own" as in ruled over, kicked ass, dominated, etc. The exact story will likely never be known, but legend has it that some guys were playing an online video shoot 'em up game, and when one of 'em wiped out the other, he tried to type into the little instant message console "I own you!" But he fat-fingered a "p" instead of an "o." It spread like wildfire, and as they say, the rest is history...

On the few occasions that I've heard people actually use the word seriously, it's the goddamn funniest thing ever...especially if the person is not an outwardly apparent geek.

I've heard several times that it was one of the Quake developers. I like definition 4 here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwned

Thanks all. The story sounds vaguely familiar. (Old brain cells never die, they just stay drunk longer )

 

[WhiteStrat]

Still think you're a smart guy despite your attitude towards me.

My attitude? Dude, you're projecting. Let go already. I'm not the enemy--we just have different tastes.

There's some really good stuff on this site, it's just sad that with almost unlimited cheap recording resources compared to ten years ago, people try so hard to sound so bad.

I honestly don't get why anybody would try to make corporate sounding shit of their own. Isn't there enough on this planet already? There's a reason studios are shutting down and the RIAA is panicking that has nothing to do with piracy: There's no good music out there. People just aren't doing their own thing anymore. Everybody has to sound like everything else and people just aren't buying it.

With complete creative freedom and no labels breathing down your necks, such as we have now, wouldn't you expect to see tons of risk taking and original stuff?

Instead all I hear is stuff that may as well be a cover. Where's the underground?

Where are the "let's do it our own way-fuck how it's supposed to be done" people that were around BEFORE it all became so easy and cheap?

Harsh reality for 'ya: maybe what you think is shit is exactly what some folks aspire to, even with no label breathing down their neck. I don't know if I should infer that you are talking about my music, but you've made your opinions of my stuff known before, so it fits in this category for you I'm sure.

Guess what? I love what I do. And every great once in a while, I write, play and record something that gives me goosebumps, or almost makes me cry, when I listen back to it. Now maybe thats vanity, but it's powerful to me. And so I keep at it.

And someday, when every minute of what I write, play and record is that powerful, maybe I'll just smile and die. Or maybe I'll take up gardening.

In any case, you'd listen to what I call "powerful" and call it shit. To not like it is one thing. That's called subjectivity. But you're literally dismissing it as objectively meaningless.

And I'm the one with the attitude?

 

[WhiteStrat]

Where are the "let's do it our own way-fuck how it's supposed to be done" people that were around BEFORE it all became so easy and cheap?

One of them is in my basement studio, pulling off shit at 42 that he only dreamed of at 17. And I am doing it my own way. You see, I don't know how it's "supposed to be done." And I'm having a blast learning and inventing.

More irony: you don't like my results, therefore I'm not doing it my own way. In other words, you've created your own "how it's supposed to be done" paradigm.

You: "Why aren't people doing it their own way?"

Me: "I am!"

You: "Yeah, well, not THAT way!"

 

[true-eurt]

What song is that? I can't even read sheet music, much less doot doo music...

A new Genre indeed!!!

 

[true-eurt]

Time to make some fucking noise.


Where are the "let's do it our own way-fuck how it's supposed to be done" people that were around BEFORE it all became so easy and cheap?

Hey...I'm a Cacophony expert, I resemble that remark!!!

Do you not understand, that there is not one note you play...or sing...or any words you write, that have not been done before by someone? It is all intricate webbings of days future past and the here and now. To call other's music un-inventive, while assuming your's is...is by far amusing.

Let me tell you something. These guys you are spouting off to and insulting, are seasoned musicians and will eat you up alive little spider.

My challenge to you, would be, that you put take just a fourth of the effort Strat, RAMI and others put into their *non-challenged poser* songs and let's see what you get.

It takes a good ear, a skilled hand, talent and a gift applied for more than just 10 seconds, to make the music those experienced dudes do. You should perhaps listen a while and learn. It has nothing to do with Genre...but knowledge and the willingness to set pride aside long enough to absorb what they have to offer for free...tried and true knowledge.

THEN, take all that you have learned and apply it to your own art..whether it be your trash rock, Strat Cheap n Easy Listening or RAMI PoP....I think you will be pleasantly surprized at the result.

PS...I wasn't implying, that you learn to like shit..rather, that you LEARN to discern the difference between real SHIT and just a difference in Genre love..cause believe it or not, there IS a big difference.

 

[reklus]

THEN, take all that you have learned and apply it to your own art..whether it be your trash rock, Strat Cheap n Easy Listening or RAMI PoP....I think you will be pleasantly surprized at the result.

PS...I wasn't implying, that you learn to like shit..rather, that you LEARN to discern the difference between real SHIT and just a difference in Genre love..cause believe it or not, there IS a big difference.

As a singer in a dirty rock band I say:
Look, I'm not a producer. I'm a singer that happens to record my band's improv live. I've got that down the singing bit pretty well for my genre and I just want to hear music that isn't so bland and Meh-inspiring as these guys make.

As a solo noise artist, I say that the way I do things is pretty production oriented. Not in anyway that you'd recognize, but compared to what most noise folks do, I'm practically a studio king. (this is not bragging but a comment that most noise is not studio driven but performance driven) I put in ten minutes of work where others put in 30 seconds. I worry about things like clarity and beauty. But I know that my noise is a reflection of the moment and my head, not a piece that should be worked on extensively outside of cleaning up the sound to my benefit.

These guys have nothing to offer a person like me. I instinctively hate the music with a passion and can't listen past the first few notes without getting very aggressive.

If I need amazing production work for my band done, I'll get and work with an amazing producer.

If I need my vision expressed the way that my soul calls for, I'll work my ass off to get that vision across in my way, uncorrupted by the chaff of people who don't get it.


EDIT: Rephrasing that... Of course guys like Whitestrat have bits of technical know how that are useful, but as far as using them for inspiration...not going to happen. Is there anybody out there that's trying something new? At all? Hello????????

 

[XLR]

...I put in ten minutes of work... I know that my noise is a reflection of the moment and my head, not a piece that should be worked on extensively...

reklus=JordanD?

Got an alias there?

 

[reklus]

Hey...I'm a Cacophony expert, I resemble that remark!!!

Do you not understand, that there is not one note you play...or sing...or any words you write, that have not been done before by someone? It is all intricate webbings of days future past and the here and now. To call other's music un-inventive, while assuming your's is...is by far amusing.

I never said mine was, infact I've gone out of my way to say that I don't think my music or art is great. Why do people keep coming back to this argument?

My point is and has always been that I'm not TRYING to sound like what happened before, whereas these guys seem to be trying to capture the essence of some specific sound that appealed to them when they were teenagers.

Why can't people just do something a little original sometimes???

 

[TyphoidHippo]

There's some really good stuff on this site, it's just sad that with almost unlimited cheap recording resources compared to ten years ago, people try so hard to sound so bad.

I honestly don't get why anybody would try to make corporate sounding shit of their own. Isn't there enough on this planet already? There's a reason studios are shutting down and the RIAA is panicking that has nothing to do with piracy: There's no good music out there. People just aren't doing their own thing anymore. Everybody has to sound like everything else and people just aren't buying it.

With complete creative freedom and no labels breathing down your necks, such as we have now, wouldn't you expect to see tons of risk taking and original stuff?

Instead all I hear is stuff that may as well be a cover. Where's the underground?

Where are the "let's do it our own way-fuck how it's supposed to be done" people that were around BEFORE it all became so easy and cheap?

I've bit my toungue about your posts as long as I am willing to do so. Your posts, despite the thin disguise, are the most genuinely hateful towards other users of this board, and really this community as a whole, that I have seen in a long time. You don't know all these people you're saying all this shit about - So just who the fuck do you think you are?

If you were a bit more respectable of a character, some of these people, many of whom have invested extraordinary amounts of time and/or money proudly honing and perfecting their craft, might take offense at some fucking fatass talentless loser taking bullshit cheapshots at what they're trying to achieve.

This whole charade isn't fooling anybody, asshole. Keep talking down your nose as if nobody "gets it" but you, but:

WE ALL GET WHAT YOU DO.

It's the same stupid shit that 13 year old kids with black lipstick do while cutting their arms up. Just like them you would deny it, but you think you are fucking special because you have some groundbreaking insight and you demonstrate your specialness by moaning and groaning about how the whole world is a bunch of conformist wannabes. "There's no originality these days." "Do you think my random shit sounds like a horror movie? People tell me it does, but I don't know why... I mean... it sounds just like every shitty horror movie soundtrack in the history of shitty horror movies, and I meant it that way, obviously. Did I mention that SATAN RULES!!!!1111" (That should be a good trick-reason to get something started so I can babble on about the conformist, corporate-polished, [pardon me while I vomit at your predictability]) And of course, then, when questioned, "you were actually mocking Satanism" because you are so obviously enlightened that you must scoff at such illogical faith systems. Jesus fucking christ. You think *any* of this shit is anything that *anybody* here has not heard a MILLION FUCKING TIMES?

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

 

[reklus]

reklus=JordanD?

Got an alias there?

No, in fact he hates me because I called his music bad improv noise. I admit that improv and noise aren't the same as music in any traditional sense. He picked me as the specific person he hates the most in his bromo addled brain.

 

[RAMI]

OK people. Time to close this.

I was going to close it after my last post, but in all fairness, it would have been cowardly to get the last word in without letting Diklus repsond. So, I let him respond, which only allowed him to dig a bigger hole for himself while doing his best JordanD impression while scrambling to justify his lack of anything that comes close to talent.

By the way, the funniest part was being told I live in the past by someone who's so-called "performance piece" (hahahaha) was full of clips of 70's porn star Ron Jeremy.

Thanx to everyone who participated.