session tonight

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hey everyone! i have my first session tonight in my new recording studio. check it out if you havent already from the studio building and display forum. www.therecordinghouse.com/studiopicsupdate

the project i will be working on is a girl, 21 years old, folk singer, guitar player, song writer type. she is bringing a percussionist and we will be tracking them both together as to get a cohesive folk sound. i want to utilize my mics. here is the setup and list of mics.



setup:
(1) vocal (female, very breathy type voice)
(1) acoustic guitar (steel string played finger style)
(2) congas
(2) bongos
(1) djembe
(1) steel milk jug (like from the early 1900s very cool sounding by the way)
various shakers and other hand held things

mics:
(1) apex 450 large diaphram tube condeser (w/ 9 polarity patterns)
(1) shure ksm 32
(4) audio technica atm33r's
(3) AKG C1000s's
(5) shure sm57's
(1) audio technica D12
(1) sennheiser 602 bass drum mic
(4) sennheiser 603 tom mics

could ya all help me match up the best mics for each instrument?
oh yeah! preamps
i dont have much for preamps but here they are
(2) art tube pac's
(2) art tube mp's
(32) mackie pres

thanx

lynn
 
very nice. but wait....you spent all that money on all that equipment, design, construction, but you don't know which mics to use on each instrument? Maybe you're jumping into things to fast?
 
i have my preferences, i guess i was hoping to find a new approach and not do things the way i have always done them. i admit that i do not know everything about recording, that is why i am here, to learn. ;) i know my equipment in and out, but mic placement is a whole different ball game. just looking for new ideas.
 
oh ok, it sounded like you wanted beginner techniques. sorry about that. I usually stick with the traditional mic positioning techniques on instruments. As long as it sounds good you can experiment. All my equipment is in one small room, so you are better off then I am. But then again I'm 19 and in college. Hopefully when I finish school I can find a larger place to record in. Anyways, Good luck with your session. You should post some samples of your work in the MP3 clinic.
 
yeah, maybe my original post did sound a bit like that. i just thought that from the equip list people would figure it out. sorry!anyway, i am only 22. i have been recording stuff since i was 14 yrs old. still have some of the recordings. they are pretty frickin hilarious! haha! but it is nice to have them as a bench mark. started with a yamaha mx4 or something like that, anyway, it was a cassette 4 track with dbx noise reduction. man i wish i still had that thing. eventually moved to the yamaha MD8. this is probably the piece that helped me learn the most. i remember having my studio in an empty room in an office building. i was constantly getting yelled at by the people next door cause it was "too loud". then i would yell back to not start copying things in the middle of a vocal take. i eventually moved my studio to two empty bedrooms at my house. this was the first time i actually expirienced some sort of isolation between me and the instrument that i was recording. it took alot of the guess work out of it. ;) i had it at home for about two years and eventually had to move out cause i started doing more live drum tracking. this brings me to the place that you see in the pictures. ahhh, finally, a place that i can have the freedom to do what i please when i please. i hope i didnt ramble too much. thanx for your comments
 
Try reading the Big thread in the microphone forum. It will have a ton of useful info there.

P.S. I love the purple walls.
 
thanks. i like the walls too. i thought it would inspire creativity. people keep singing that dang "i love you, you love me" song though. dont know why! :D
 
Space in New York is very costly. I'm gonna have to wait a while. Oh well
 
here is a link on some stuff i have done. this is currently the only stuff i have permission to publish. this is the band that i am currently in. the recording features me on the drums and bass as we did not have a bass player at the time. it is all lo fi cause i only have a 56k modem. i will keep posting stuff as i record it.



http://www.therecordinghouse.com/common_plea.htm
 
Do you own the studio? Is it your full time job? Just curious.
 
yes, i do own it 100%. presently i am the only person working out of it. i want to leave it open for other engineers to rent as well. it will bring more traffic my way. it is not currently my full time job. i am a CAD operator/ designer for dutch made kitchens ( www.dutchmade.com ) my hours are pretty flexible though. now that i have a facility to facilitate my faculty, haha lol .... i am hoping to make the switch to part time at my current full time job. kind of have them trade places slowly over the next 2 years.
 
nice. did you go to school for audio engineering at all? I'm considering going after college.
 
no i did not go to school for audio engineering. i know people will debate this but i dont think it is totally necessary. i would hire someone who has been dinking around with recording for 2 years over somebody that took a 4 - 6 week course at a college. i know that there are more elaborate courses than that but, my point is, i think in this field, expirience is everything. i know people coming out of audio engineering schools that really dont even know anything about music. how is that possible? i have had 8 years formal training on piano, i then started playing guitar. i have been doing that for about 10 years now. bass guitar gets thrown in there somewhere. i then started playing drums and have been doing that over the last 3 years. i dont know. i would rather, at this point in my life, just sit in with some professional engineers and watch. if you have the money and the time, go for it! i am not saying that you will not learn anything. what school are you looking in to?


oh, i also play cello and am learning the art of playing a steel milk jug from the early 1900's (as was mentioned earlier in this post) these things are cool! :D
 
well at University at Buffalo currently for Business and minor in music. Possibly grad school at Berklee in Boston. Friend of mine is currently in their program and loves it. I've been playing piano for 13 years, drums for 10 and guitar for 6. Been doing recording since I was 12. I have quite a bit of equipment, just no room.
 
Nice looking place. What are the live room and control room dimensions?
It looks spacious!
 
foreverain4 said:
... it is not currently my full time job. i am a CAD operator/ designer....
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Get out!! Save yourself while you can!!....

Actually, I've made a pretty good living as a CAD designer, both as a contract consultant and a direct employee. Keep in mind there might be freelance opportunities out there if you want to branch out. Although you seem to have it together (I didn't even own my car at 22).

BTW, pics are great. I'm jealous - wish I'd laid out my recording area differently. How did the session go?
 
well, the session didnt go too badly. we spent 4 hrs on 1 song. they hadnt even practiced before coming in, so they were trying to work it out there. haha! at about 10pm, we had been working on the 2nd song for about an hr, i told them to give it a week and work on it cause they really were wasting their money. (yeah, i am an honest guy) lol i ended up using the apex 450 (tube mic) on a cardoid pattern on her vocals, put the ksm32 on the guitar running through the art tube pre, two akg c1000s's over head on the percussion, and a AT D112 under the djembe. the percussion sounded awesome! i got a really nice stereo image. i will post some stuff when we are done. (and when i have permission)


the room dimensions are as follows

control room
16 ft wide by 22 ft long by 10 ft 4 in high

live room
28 ft wide by 33 ft long by 10 ft 4 in high


later all
 
Since it is after the date of your session, any opinions I could offer on mics is moot - between the 57's the C1000's, the D12 and the Sennheisers you have all the drums, percussion and guitab cabs covered. The KSM32 is a very good all around mic (vocals, accoustic instruments, room ambiance etc.) I've never used the Apex, so no opinion there.

Between the mic selection and the drum kit/riser - it seem clear that you're a drummer.

Actually the main reason I'm posting is to comment on the room. Very nice looking!!! I like the floated drum riser. If ithe room sounds as good as it looks, you should have satisfied customers.
 
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