drstawl
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ISP Brain Fart
[This message has been edited by drstawl (edited 04-05-2000).]
[This message has been edited by drstawl (edited 04-05-2000).]
drstawl
Banned
>How many here are more interested in sales?
>And how many here are more interested in >getting good music recorded as well as they
Dobro: Even Ed knows my answer to that one. But he did prove to me (that's right: .mp3 files- not just "lip") that I've got a bunch of uncharted (for me) territory between my
current level of understanding and the elusive perfect recording. Well- that and some better equipment....
>And how many here are more interested in >getting good music recorded as well as they
Dobro: Even Ed knows my answer to that one. But he did prove to me (that's right: .mp3 files- not just "lip") that I've got a bunch of uncharted (for me) territory between my
current level of understanding and the elusive perfect recording. Well- that and some better equipment....
Ears
ADA
Whoa.........
Sonusman is right .........
I have had my home studio for 20 years, starting wtih a stereo reel to reel, to a 4track cassette, to an 8 track 1/2 ich to a Vs880 to a VS1680 and VS880, that's 24 tracks dig.
The point that everyone is missing and maybe should explain to El B... is that we are all making demos, or releases that we can sell off stage, or in my case I also record many other songwriters besides myself.
Yes you can get airplay, (I have from a 4track demo).
The only reason that El B would want to engineer his record is if he thought it was cool to work the buttons.
It's not that you don't have say in making a
record.You do. You work it with the Producer.
Together. The engineer turns that vision into reality. On the tape or Hard Drive whatever.
You want to be creative and concentrate on your chops in the studio if you are paying that price, not worry what program the acordian sounds best through whatever verb.
I think that is what he is saying.
When I record my own demos at home I get a friend I know is capable, and have them do the tracking. Think of them as a member of the band, that the record label demands you have. You would'nt say " I want to play drums, guitar, and keys.You do what you do best.
No...........?
Have fun at it too. A person who produces in a studio is the best asset you'll have to make it all sane. If you interview them and find the closest to your music from HIS or HER demos, thenbe kind and be opened minded.
Sonusman is right .........
I have had my home studio for 20 years, starting wtih a stereo reel to reel, to a 4track cassette, to an 8 track 1/2 ich to a Vs880 to a VS1680 and VS880, that's 24 tracks dig.
The point that everyone is missing and maybe should explain to El B... is that we are all making demos, or releases that we can sell off stage, or in my case I also record many other songwriters besides myself.
Yes you can get airplay, (I have from a 4track demo).
The only reason that El B would want to engineer his record is if he thought it was cool to work the buttons.
It's not that you don't have say in making a
record.You do. You work it with the Producer.
Together. The engineer turns that vision into reality. On the tape or Hard Drive whatever.
You want to be creative and concentrate on your chops in the studio if you are paying that price, not worry what program the acordian sounds best through whatever verb.
I think that is what he is saying.
When I record my own demos at home I get a friend I know is capable, and have them do the tracking. Think of them as a member of the band, that the record label demands you have. You would'nt say " I want to play drums, guitar, and keys.You do what you do best.
No...........?
Have fun at it too. A person who produces in a studio is the best asset you'll have to make it all sane. If you interview them and find the closest to your music from HIS or HER demos, thenbe kind and be opened minded.
J
JONRAVEN
New member
Any of you guys hear of The Tony Rich Project? Check it out...a Major release and he did everything!!!
J
jeffy_2003
New member
i do believe that 311 recorded all of their own tracks (although they were mixed at another studio with other producers and such)
A
Animaniac
New member
Hello everybody,
Didn't Jimmy Page produced the Zeppelin records? I read an interview where he talks about mic placement and level settings.
Didn't Jimmy Page produced the Zeppelin records? I read an interview where he talks about mic placement and level settings.
CMiller
New member
I didn't bother to read every post in this forum, so sue me if I cover ground already covered...
One note to point out here. When someone says something like..."But Foo Fighters recorded their last album at Dave Grohl's house in Virginia", you've got to be aware that Dave's "home" studio had the best recorders and preamps and monitors and mics and...on and on.
In a recent article in Mix, they interviewed Dave and the engineer/producer that worked on the album Adam Kasper and he said about Dave's basement studio...
"We bought Allan Sides' personal custom API board that came out of Ocean Way Nashville..." and goes on..."We bought a Neve [console] and a Studer tape machine as well..."
He continues about the mixing sessions..."We mixed and tracked two songs in L.A. at Conway-'Live-in Skin' and 'Learn to Fly'-and we mixed the whole thing on that SSL 9000 they have."
That said, I don't think anyone should be discouraged by this. That shouldn't keep you from getting the best possible sound out of your gear as you can. For the majority of the music buying public out there who can't tell the difference between an API and a Mackie 8bus, your recordings will sound decent enough. When someone buys an album from a guy without a record deal they know they aren't getting music recorded through an SSL...in fact, they probably can't even spell SSL or know what one is. So I'd say, don't sweat it and keep refining your craft.
One note to point out here. When someone says something like..."But Foo Fighters recorded their last album at Dave Grohl's house in Virginia", you've got to be aware that Dave's "home" studio had the best recorders and preamps and monitors and mics and...on and on.
In a recent article in Mix, they interviewed Dave and the engineer/producer that worked on the album Adam Kasper and he said about Dave's basement studio...
"We bought Allan Sides' personal custom API board that came out of Ocean Way Nashville..." and goes on..."We bought a Neve [console] and a Studer tape machine as well..."
He continues about the mixing sessions..."We mixed and tracked two songs in L.A. at Conway-'Live-in Skin' and 'Learn to Fly'-and we mixed the whole thing on that SSL 9000 they have."
That said, I don't think anyone should be discouraged by this. That shouldn't keep you from getting the best possible sound out of your gear as you can. For the majority of the music buying public out there who can't tell the difference between an API and a Mackie 8bus, your recordings will sound decent enough. When someone buys an album from a guy without a record deal they know they aren't getting music recorded through an SSL...in fact, they probably can't even spell SSL or know what one is. So I'd say, don't sweat it and keep refining your craft.
Ears
ADA
Maybe this post will be forever.
I agree.
Some guys, like me, after 20yrs like to still record themselves. However if I wanted to do it seriously, I would hire a producer so I can concentrate on the creativity.
Yeah Jimmie Page also made millions for the record companies so he was allowed to play with their money for a while. I guess that a lot of people are pissed off here, excuse the expression, because they feel that it is in their ability to do both successfully. All the power to them. It cost me way to much money to find out the hard way. So I won't profess to those who have their mind up anyway.
Why ask for feedback, if they don't want it?
It's a mute point if we are all discussing who's right who's wrong. What advice is given???
I agree.
Some guys, like me, after 20yrs like to still record themselves. However if I wanted to do it seriously, I would hire a producer so I can concentrate on the creativity.
Yeah Jimmie Page also made millions for the record companies so he was allowed to play with their money for a while. I guess that a lot of people are pissed off here, excuse the expression, because they feel that it is in their ability to do both successfully. All the power to them. It cost me way to much money to find out the hard way. So I won't profess to those who have their mind up anyway.
Why ask for feedback, if they don't want it?
It's a mute point if we are all discussing who's right who's wrong. What advice is given???
D
dondottcomm
New member
This should be a seperate forum on its own..LOL..One thing that you should realise is that ALL the money that the record company "gives" you is recoupable ,you dont see a dime till all the money that they have expended is gotten back !!If you get 100,000 up front, till you have made that back in sales you dont see a cent...So sometimes it will work to your advantage to use a producer ,engineer it saves time and money .On your first album these are critical!If you are doing home recording {demos}then you can be more effective..better prepared...your producer will love you for it and you will see eye to eye more often than not..as long as you get the right guy for your project..LOL
Ears
ADA
I think they all understand, DONDOTT I just think that some may think it's too easy.
Demos, preproduction and creativity is what the artist can contribute, but get the pros involved when the going gets somewhere.
Demos, preproduction and creativity is what the artist can contribute, but get the pros involved when the going gets somewhere.
dobro
Well-known member
I think we're moving in roughly parallel tracks, you and me.
Here's why I think so: I've put together some songs with the equipment I've got, and compared it to commercial stuff. The conclusion I've drawn is that I can get it better, and I've got a good idea how to do that, and that's what I'm going to do
but if a suit came along and said "you can have 100 hours of studio time with an experienced engineer and top-line gear, and oh! by the way, although you won't make a cent, we'll move 2 million units for you", I reckon I'd do it. I mean, how many people are hearing my music at present? And how good is my gear and how good is the sound I'm getting? And would I be making any less money than I am now? Lotsa smilies, right, because I think you know the answers to all these questions.
In the meantime, however, I *am* going to continue with it on my own, and the present length of this thread seems to me some indication of how many people here are moved by the idea of doing it or making it on their own. I'm not saying this is bright or informed, in fact, I think it's an example of the sperm syndrome - loads of us buggers all wiggling like crazy and trying to get there, but not many will actually hit the big one. But impressive! Hoo!
In the meantime, there's some good music getting made, have you noticed?
Here's why I think so: I've put together some songs with the equipment I've got, and compared it to commercial stuff. The conclusion I've drawn is that I can get it better, and I've got a good idea how to do that, and that's what I'm going to do
but if a suit came along and said "you can have 100 hours of studio time with an experienced engineer and top-line gear, and oh! by the way, although you won't make a cent, we'll move 2 million units for you", I reckon I'd do it. I mean, how many people are hearing my music at present? And how good is my gear and how good is the sound I'm getting? And would I be making any less money than I am now? Lotsa smilies, right, because I think you know the answers to all these questions.In the meantime, however, I *am* going to continue with it on my own, and the present length of this thread seems to me some indication of how many people here are moved by the idea of doing it or making it on their own. I'm not saying this is bright or informed, in fact, I think it's an example of the sperm syndrome - loads of us buggers all wiggling like crazy and trying to get there, but not many will actually hit the big one. But impressive! Hoo!
In the meantime, there's some good music getting made, have you noticed?
Ears
ADA
Yes good music.That's the important part!
The rest is just the swim to the egg
Unless of course your doin' it for fun.
Then ......Keep On Swimmin'
The rest is just the swim to the egg
Unless of course your doin' it for fun.
Then ......Keep On Swimmin'