saving sonar projects ON DVD

[jmorris]

I always save my projects from sonar 5 as bundles then burn them onto DVD or CD. I save each poject in project folders in the clients folder. Is there any reason I cant just burn DVD/CD of the project song folder? It has audio and project info in it. Do I really have to go throught the time of saving as a sonar bundle? What woud be the advantage?
Thanks,Jim

 

[therage!]

I do it all the time. Don't know of any advantage but it works for me.

 

[crosstudio]

i never save it as a bundle, i just drag and drop the folder into my roxio easy media creator.

never had a problem.

if you save it as a bundle, and you change one small midi note in the bundle, you've got to save the whole bundle again.

I've only got to save the files in the folder that changed.

 

[jmorris]

i never save it as a bundle, i just drag and drop the folder into my roxio easy media creator.

never had a problem.

if you save it as a bundle, and you change one small midi note in the bundle, you've got to save the whole bundle again.

I've only got to save the files in the folder that changed.

Yeah, this seems to make more sense to me. It seems that if I dont save as a bundle,correct me if Im wrong, once it is on cd/dvd I first have to copy it back to my computer in order to work with the file.Is this correct for you folks?
Jim

 

[dachay2tnr]

Yeah, this seems to make more sense to me. It seems that if I dont save as a bundle,correct me if Im wrong, once it is on cd/dvd I first have to copy it back to my computer in order to work with the file.Is this correct for you folks?
Jim

I believe if you try to open it directly from the DVD, Sonar will automatically copy it to your hard drive. However, my recollection is that this is done as a temporary file, so you will probably need to save it before exiting the project if you want it to remain on your hard drive.

As everyone else has said, there is no need to save as a bundle. Assuming you are using per project storage system, just drag and drop the folder to your DVD.

 

[jmorris]

Thats great. as crossstudios said, if I want to make a little change I have to open a bundle, make then change, then re-save it as a bundle.It takes time. This is much better! Now, when would it be a good idea to save as a bundle?
Jim

 

[dachay2tnr]

Thats great. as crossstudios said, if I want to make a little change I have to open a bundle, make then change, then re-save it as a bundle.It takes time. This is much better! Now, when would it be a good idea to save as a bundle?
Jim

Bundles are sooo... pre "per project".

Seriously, since Sonar developed the per project storage option, there is not much need for bundles.

 

[jmorris]

Bundles are sooo... pre "per project".

Seriously, since Sonar developed the per project storage option, there is not much need for bundles.

I was just going to ask that,you reading my mind? With my old Sonar version 1.3 I think, I always saved as bundles as the audio was saved in a seperate area. With project folders in my song folder I can juist save the entire file folder and make like a lot easier.
Thanks,Jim

 

[mixologist]

Hi Guys,

Just out of curiousity, when did they introduce per project storage (which version)? I'm still using 2.2, is per project an option for me?

Thanks.

 

[In Tune Audio]

I wouldn't say bundles are useless. They're not the best thing for saving a project to DVD, but, they do perform a sort of defrag on your project files.

I red in the manual that if you have a project that you've deleted a lot of parts on, and moved things around bundling and then unbundling will do the equivalent of a defrag on your files. So if you ever have a huge project that's giving you trouble, give it a try!

 

[dachay2tnr]

I red in the manual that if you have a project that you've deleted a lot of parts on, and moved things around bundling and then unbundling will do the equivalent of a defrag on your files. So if you ever have a huge project that's giving you trouble, give it a try!

This is true, however, unless it has changed in later versions of Sonar, it places ALL the audio in one humongous interleaved wave file. This apparently is somewhat helpful for playback, but not so great if you want to find the wave file associated with a specific part.

You can check it out. Simply save a bundle to DVD/CD, delete the original project entirely, and then reload the bundle. Check the audio data folder, and you should find just a single wave file which will be close in size to the .bun file.

 

[DM1]

Just out of curiousity, when did they introduce per project storage (which version)? I'm still using 2.2, is per project an option for me?

You're in luck! It was introduced in version 2.0

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jun02/articles/sonar2.asp

There's a "Use per-project audio" checkbox on the global options dialog.

 

[mixsit]

Hi Guys,

Just out of curiousity, when did they introduce per project storage (which version)? I'm still using 2.2, is per project an option for me?

Thanks.

You could always roll your own folders, it was the preset feature they just added later.
Wayne

 

[pdlstl]

Bundles are sooo... pre "per project".

Very well put!

 

[Albertm]

I've been saving as bundles and thought I give it a try as a project. All worked, but when I try to resave on to hard drive under Cakewalk Projects where it used to be, I get "You don't have permission to save in this directory, please contact administrator to obtain permission. Woulld you like to save in My Documents folders anyway?"

Never got that with bundles. Any one else ever get this?

 

[dachay2tnr]

I've been saving as bundles and thought I give it a try as a project. All worked, but when I try to resave on to hard drive under Cakewalk Projects where it used to be, I get "You don't have permission to save in this directory, please contact administrator to obtain permission. Woulld you like to save in My Documents folders anyway?"

Never got that with bundles. Any one else ever get this?

No, but then I've never tried to save under the Cakewalk Projects directory. Not sure why you'd want to. I save all my projects to a separate hard drive. Therefore my projects end up being in individual folders such as E:/song1, E:\song2, E:\song3, etc.

I suspect, however, that this is a Windows issue. I sounds like you are signing onto windows as someone without admin privileges.

 

[Albertm]

When I started thats where it defaulted to, so I just kept my projects there. Then when there was too many I would bundle, save to CD than delete them. Seemed to work fine. Everything is backed up on CD. So I didnt think I needed a second hard drive, (though that does sound like a good way to hold soft synths and such, I did read that would be the best way in Motu sampler guides, more room on main drive for recording)
As for resave, I will check windows. thanks

 

[dachay2tnr]

When I started thats where it defaulted to, so I just kept my projects there. Then when there was too many I would bundle, save to CD than delete them. Seemed to work fine. Everything is backed up on CD. So I didnt think I needed a second hard drive, (though that does sound like a good way to hold soft synths and such, I did read that would be the best way in Motu sampler guides, more room on main drive for recording)
As for resave, I will check windows. thanks

The whole idea behind "per project" storage is so that all you tracks don't get dumped into a single folder - and thus you have no clue as to which tracks are associated with which projects (songs). Once you go to per project, you can store them anywhere you want.

The default directory of Cakewalk Projects is pretty much a historical relic from the time prior to per project storage.

Of course, there is no reason why you couldn't use Cakewalk Projects as your main folder, and make subfolders within it for each project. Which, of course, leads back to original point of why windows won't let you write to it.

BTW, the second hard drive is not for backup purposes. It is for performance. It allows audio to be streamed to/from the drive, without potential read/write interence from Windows or Sonar when they need to access the drive.

 

[j-boy]

Absolutely stay away from saving your projects as bundle files, since if the bundle file is corrupted even in the least way, all of the audio will be entirely irretreivable.

 

[Albertm]

Great info, I will create new folder for songs. Also work on the 2nd Drive idea. And bundles are no more. thanks