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the sound quality is just as good, if not better, than .WAVs.

How can that be when mp3 is compressing the audio thus losing quality and WAV files are uncompressed?

I would love if this thread could be moved to the computer forum so others can read this obviously useful information. I'm sure Blue Bear would love this advice for his studio :D
 
thajeremy said:
im thinking of mixing down to my phones answering machine...its all digital...no more tape for me...you think using MP3's will help me save space there???
LOL!!! :D :D :D
 
Okay. I told you I would have a preview for you and now I do! Its at this link:

Decay In Space (preview)

If the site says that its unavailable, try again in about an hour.

What do you think? Sound good or does it sound like crap? And please remember that we're not talking about the mix here... We're talking about quality.
 
What do you think? Sound good or does it sound like crap? And please remember that we're not talking about the mix here... We're talking about quality.

You cant do a comparison unless you have the WAV equivilant to compare side by side.

It could very well be that the original is of very good quality thus the mp3 "seems" good quality but when compared to the WAV version it's crap.

If you think they sound the same then maybe you should consider another hobbie
 
I just got 120 GB HDD for $50 new. Why would I want to compromise anything when storage is so cheap? Some pro studios just by HDD for each session as part of the price and use a cartridge thingy for it that lets them swap out the audio drive.
 
What is that supposed to mean?

It means, that if you sincerely believe you cannot distinguish between the sound of an uncompressed .wav file and its mp3 equivalent, you are afflicted with hopelessly insensitive hearing and perhaps you would be more effective in another field where hearing acuity is not a factor.

Have you ever wondered why there's the great debate between sampling rates, and between bit depths? It's because some people can hear the difference, and others can't. Just because some don't hear the difference does not mean it does not exist. And, apparently, you can train your ears to perceive finer and finer distinctions. I know in my years of recording and performing music my hearing, although I have lost some upper frequencies over 40 years, has gotten much more discriminating than when I started. Perhaps you have not bothered to train your ears to the degree necessary to be serious about audio. Of course, judging from the age you have posted, there's plenty of time yet.

Personally, I can clearly hear the difference between a .wav and an mp3, and, even if I couldn't, why would I want to toss out data by saving to mp3? The mp3 algorithm is a "lossy compression": in English, that means the data file is made smaller by getting rid of long strings of information that the algorithm doesn't "think" needs to be there (and for the generation raised on mp3s, it is probably right). Now, I save my recordings in 32-bit format, and only dither them down to 16-bit when I burn a CD. This preserves the quality. If I were to convert them to mp3, then I would have to reconvert back to .wav to burn the CD. This would entail the extrapolation of the missing data to fill in the "holes" where the data lost from compression had been. This extrapolation, you will be surprised to hear, will not consist of the missing data itself, but some new artifacts that may or may not resemble what is gone. Regardless of how it's done, it is irremediably DIFFERENT from what I recorded as a .wav file. It no longer has the resolution or the detail of the original: those were tossed out in the mp3 conversion.

There is a principal that runs through audio recording, which, if not always stated, is always present: that is, do your work to the highest standard. For example: vinyl is one of the oddest choicest around for audio storage, but over the years, ways were found to deal with the limited high frequency response, attenuated bass (to keep the needle from jumping out of the groove!) and other problems. The methods used involved EQing the masters as they were transferred to the cutting lathes. Why not, you might ask, just EQ the masters and save all that work? (This is the equivalent of saving as mp3.) Because the tapes have their own format needs, and the audio, in order to be saved in its native format at the highest quality possible, doesn't need anything done to it to make it suitable for something like vinyl reproduction. Imagine what it would have been like had all the masters been re-EQed for vinyl: it would be a practical impossibility to reissue all those millions of recordings on CD from the master tapes without massive reworking! No, it's better to keep the master pristine, and let the media dictate later down the road what needs to be done for playback.

I hope this helps.
 
hybridsound said:
Uhhhhh... No! Its not true! I have blown my whole load into an inflatable sex doll and the hump quality is just as good, if not better, than "real" chicks. I said HIGHEST QUALITY inflatable sex dolls. If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. It works... And well!
:rolleyes:

If it's workin' for ya, then keep on doin' yer thang..

This is some pretty bad advice to be giving out to newbies tho, regardless of your apparent inability to tell the difference... mmm'-kay?

You must need a better monitoring setup.
 
hybridsound said:
Okay. I told you I would have a preview for you and now I do!
I listened to your example. I hear a halo of "fuzz" over the whole thing. Sounds just like..............an MP3. Except there seems to be more fuzz than I'd associate with an MP3, almost like an MP3 copy of an MP3. To low res for my taste. I think I'll stick with 24 bit wavs, thank you very much anyway.
 
If you like a grainy sound, then mp3s are cool. I know lots of people who listen to mp3s on their players and say they love it cuz the sound is nice and bright.

Me, I prefer the smoother sound of higher resolution. And when the whole world moves from audio at CD quality to audio at DVD quality, I ain't gonna complain. I'll smile. If you work with audio a lot, then CD sounds better than mp3.

But you know, this thread has given me an idea. You know how 'telephone voice' is a really popular effect these days? I mean, I'm planning to use it on a mix of my own soon - I like it too. Well, I'm thinking that there might be a use for doing one song on an album in mp3. A grainy sound for an effect.
 
hybridsound said:
What is that supposed to mean?

That you don't have the first idea what you are talking about.

MP3 is a "lossy" data compression protocol. It works by stripping data out of the original WAV, data that once lost cannot be restored.

You've said you remove 90% of the WAV data but the MP3 sounds BETTER???

You're clearly talking out your ass. And you're making folks in WA look bad, too.
 
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Just chiming in here so I get subscribed to this thread. I look forward to some more "expert" advice from hybridsound :rolleyes:
 
I have to admit I do the same thing.

I record band practice on my mini disc recorder. Then I re-record the songs from practice into CEP. I then save the song as an MP3 file to my Band Practice folder.

This is NOT how I would record music for a serious project.

MP3 is handy. It gives FM radio quality and makes it easy to store and carry tunes.

It's NOT meant to substitute WAV.

But if it works for you than great!

Dave
 
damn i can hardly tell the difference between a HIGH quality mp3 and the wave.....should i get another hobby too?.....

with that said, to say that a mp3 sounds better than the wave is just out there......
 
Charva said:
I have to admit I do the same thing.

I record band practice on my mini disc recorder. Then I re-record the songs from practice into CEP. I then save the song as an MP3 file to my Band Practice folder.

This is NOT how I would record music for a serious project.

MP3 is handy. It gives FM radio quality and makes it easy to store and carry tunes.

It's NOT meant to substitute WAV.

But if it works for you than great!

Dave


i dont see a problem with that.....and if it works for hybrid, fine......


hybrid, you are claiming that the mp3 sounds better than the original wave.....if you want that theory tested, you have to post the mp3 and the wave of the same piece.......
 
When you open any type of file in Cool Edit or Audition it converts it to a WAV file so playback and mixing will not be any faster.

How much more info is lost each time you convert mp3 to wav then back to mp3.
 
1) wavs are better and no one can discuss that n_n
2) why would you want your kick drum panned??? :S
 
Cute!

The parallels between digital recording and digital imaging manipulation are astonishing (at least for us old Luddites).
 
hybridsound said:
Uhhhhh... No! Its not true! I have mixed a whole song into .mp3's and the sound quality is just as good, if not better, than .WAVs. I said HIGHEST QUALITY .mp3's. If you haven't tried it, don't knock it. It works... And well!
That's one of the WORST pieces of advice I've ever seen here.... what you're saying is the equivalent of advocating the cassette as a viable production medium. You clearly don't understand much about digital audio formats and the way the data is stored. I suggest you read more, and post less unless you do..... :rolleyes:

Look up the terms "lossy compression algorithm"....
 
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