Recording electric guitars with modelers WITHOUT going direct

[twangbuck]

Anybody out there recording guitars with your modelers WITHOUT going direct? How you doing it?

 

[RFR]

Anytime someone sticks a mic in front of a modeling amp, that mission is accomplished.

 

[twangbuck]

Yes, quite! Sorry wasn't clear in my first post. Meant modeling floor units (helix, hd500, etc). Something without a speaker.
So if it's a floor unit and it's being run through something with a speaker and a tweeter or horn, are there guys who mic that by mic'ing both the speaker and tweeter/horn, or do they basically say screw that and just go direct?

 

[Tadpui]

From what I've seen around here, mostly they just run direct and use a speaker simulator or cabinet impulse through a convolution reverb in their DAW.

Actually, the vast majority around here that do sims just use something like Amplitube that has a speaker sim built in, or add a stand-alone speaker/cabinet sim right after it in their DAW.

I've heard results that range from godawful to passable, and one or two examples that were pretty damn good.

 

[VomitHatSteve]

You could probably play your guitar through a really clean amp and then run that signal into the modeler. I don't see why you'd do that tho; it'll really affect the tone.

I've started messing with modeling lately, and my strategy has been to split the signal at the DI: one channel is the DI, which goes through the modeler; the other goes to an actual amp. Then I blend the two to taste.

 

[Farview]

I've built a couple rigs that were a Pod Pro through a tube power amp (Mesa 50/50 or Marshall mp-1) and into a cabinet. That was a live rig and it got miked up. The internal cabinet simulator was turned off.

 

[jimistone]

I played guitar through a modeling amp (fender mustang V Head) and ran the headphone out to a Epiphane valve Jr tube amp.

It's the lead guitar on this song:
https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/why-i-sing-the-blues

I think it's a great guitar tone....but then I'm biased.

 

[Robus]

Sounds like what a modeling amp does.

 

[JDOD]

Everything I've heard of Helix sounds really good actually (but then it is very expensive). Dunno why you'd do anything else except go direct though - its pretty much designed for it.

 

[twangbuck]

I played guitar through a modeling amp (fender mustang V Head) and ran the headphone out to a Epiphane valve Jr tube amp.

It's the lead guitar on this song:
https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/why-i-sing-the-blues

I think it's a great guitar tone....but then I'm biased.

Cool tone man! Kind of a Steve Cropper/Stax Volt meets the blues kind of thing.
What kind of tele were you using? I'm assuming it was a tele.

 

[jimistone]

Cool tone man! Kind of a Steve Cropper/Stax Volt meets the blues kind of thing.
What kind of tele were you using? I'm assuming it was a tele.

Actually, I was using a friend of mines gibson guitar with humbuckers. It's a thin bodied guitar with a bolt on neck....body cut like a les paul, Maple fretboard, longer scale fretboard than a les paul. It a mid 70s gibson. I can't think of the model name at the moment but Carlos Santana played one for a while.

 

[Farview]

Actually, I was using a friend of mines gibson guitar with humbuckers. It's a thin bodied guitar with a bolt on neck....body cut like a les paul, Maple fretboard, longer scale fretboard than a les paul. It a mid 70s gibson. I can't think of the model name at the moment but Carlos Santana played one for a while.

It's either an L-6S or a marauder.

 

[jimistone]

It's either an L-6S or a marauder.

L-6S
that's it.

http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=...ahUKEwip9_jaxZzNAhVGRFIKHb1MBWQQwg8IHw&adurl=
Like the one in this pic....except my friends has a maple fretboard

 

[Farview]

My first real guitar was an L6 deluxe. Same guitar, but with a set neck and rosewood fret board.