Recording Drums?

[Bubba po]

Peace and love, man. Don't send me any more letters, peace and love. :lol:

 

[Captain Ego]

ringo gave the beatles comedy though. We had the visionary guy, the cute guy, the new age mystic guy, and.. um... the big nose guy with goofy songs. What would they have been without goofy songs? Any drummer can count to 4, but not every drummer can do childrens book voiceovers.

 

[Bubba po]

I agree. He was easily the funniest in the films. I was in a band for seven years with a drummer who was not really a good drummer, but famous as a motorcycle racer. The band was ten times better when he was playing (we had a stand-in for the times when he was out of the country, racing) because his humour and personality welded the band together more than his drumming ever could.

 

[James K]

What's so bad about Ringo's drumming? He wasn't a mega-drummer but he wasn't a bad drummer. To me, a bad drummer is one that has no feel and can't keep in time properly and Ringo wasn't that. He was completely right for the Beatles and drumming hadn't evolved to where it is now at that time. I mean, the Beatles with Neil Pert? Really?? None of the Beatles were amazing musicians at that time but it's not about that. They wrote great songs and performed them to a completely fine standard and in a way that suited the songs. If you don't like the Beatles then fair enough, everyone has different tastes but I find this idea that people only like the Beatles 'cause they feel they should or because they think it's cool or for any reason other than they like the songs ridiculous. I'm a massive Beatles fan, and I'm a massive Beatles fan because I love the songs, end of.

Also, what does Ringo's drumming ability have to do with the recording of it? A bad drummer could have a really good recorded drum sound and vice versa.

Anyway, just my opinion. I wish people would lay off Ringo though.

 

[RAMI]

I agree. Ringo was great FOR the Beatles. Would I listen to him to learn anything? Not. I've never heard anything that really impressed me by Keith Moon either. I find he overplays with very little technique and does nothing I couldn't do after playing for about 3 years. But since he was wild, people actually think he was good. Beatles weren't about crazy drumming and doing rolls while the singer is singing a verse. The Who were. Ringo and Moon both did their jobs fine for the band the played in.

I'm a huge Beatles fan, and as a song-writer, look up to them more than any other band in history. Nobody has a catalogue as diverse and prolific.

It's all about what you find important and what turns you on. I really appreciate how hard it is to write good melodies and harmonies, someone else might not find those things as important. Who cares?

Greg doesn't like the Beatles and thinks that anyone who does like them is just jumping on a band-wagon for some reason, which is absurd. But that's cool because he finds other aspects of music more important. Listen to Greg's music and the bands he likes and you'll hear what does make him tick. It's about being in your face, aggressive, and having attitude, which is cool too. Greg's music isn't about melody and harmony, and there's nothing wrong with that. You're not going to change his mind about it, so you all should stop trying. Music is about whatever turns someone on and everyone gets turned on by something different.

On a side-note, the ironic thing about the Beatles "image" compared the Stones is that the Beatles were marketed as the "good guys" and the Stones were always marketed as the "bad boys". The funny thing is, the Beatles came from a poor, industrial town, and went to Hamburg and started popping pills and fucking hookers when they were 17 and 18. The Stones were all middle-class kids who met in art-school and probably lived with their parents. So, the image thing was bullshit for both bands.

 

[Greg_L]

Lol. Yall need to calm down. I don't hate The Beatles. I just don't put them on any pedestal. They were just another 60's pop band as far as I'm concerned. I do like their early stuff though. 8 Days a Week, I Saw Her Standing There, She Loves You, all good stuff. But like Rami touched on, they had no edge, no danger, no energy, which is what I like, so their supposed greatness is lost on me. They played sterile girly music. Some of it is fun to bop along to, and I'm sure I indirectly benefit from their style in some way, but I really doubt they'll ever find their way onto my MP3 player. If we're gonna compare them to The Stones or The Who, either one of those two bands rocked way harder. Hell, one Townshend windmilling powerchord contained more BTU's than an entire Beatles album.

As for my complete lack of respect for Ringo, it has nothing and everything to do with his ability. I'm not a flashy drummer and don't get off to technical wizadry or expressive dynamics. Hell, Phil Rudd is one of my most favorites ever. I appreciate that Ringo just laid back and played a beat. Having said that, any halfway competent drummer of that era could have done what he did, and that's my point. No, I don't think Keith Moon was the man for the job. I'm not saying the Beatles needed Neil Peart or Terry Bozzio. But I'm sure just about anyone else could have plopped back there and banged out basic 4/4 beats with wide-open clanging hi-hats. Ringo could have been replaced. George, Paul, and John could not be replaced.

 

[RAMI]

Ringo was the Jerry Seinfeld of pop music. Ray Romano or any other half-assed comedian could have played Jerry. But nobody could replace Elaine, Kramer and George.

 

[Greg_L]

Wait, Jerry was the kingpin of Seinfeld. Are you saying ringo was the most important Beatle?

 

[RAMI]

Wait, Jerry was the kingpin of Seinfeld. Are you saying ringo was the most important Beatle?

As far as writing it and creating, yes. But if someone just watched the show without knowing who wrote what, I'd say Jerry would be the most easily replaced.

 

[Bubba po]

I agree that the Beatles didn't have much of a dangerous edge. Helter Skelter is definitely heading that way, though.

 

[Greg_L]

As far as writing it and creating, yes. But if someone just watched the show without knowing who wrote what, I'd say Jerry would be the most easily replaced.

Okay, but still, do you think ringo was the most important Beatle?

 

[RAMI]

Okay, but still, do you think ringo was the most important Beatle?

No, and I just explained why I don't think Jerry was the most important cast member either. (If you just went by what happens on the screen).

 

[PDP]

I dont know if its ever been confirmed, but didnt Bernard Perty play on tracks Ringo couldnt cut ?

 

[Greg_L]

No, and I just explained why I don't think Jerry was the most important cast member either. (If you just went by what happens on the screen).

I think something is getting lost in translation.

I'm not a Beatles or Seinfeld historian, but this is how I see them in comparison.

Jerry was the main character and creator of Seinfeld, right? In that regard, I'd think that Jerry Seinfeld would equate to John and Paul. They were the creative driving force behind the Beatles, as far as I know. Jerry might not have been the most colorful character, but neither was John or Paul, yet they're all three integral to their respective scenarios.

I don't know much about George Harrison besides maybe he was the better guitarist? And he was out front singing and stuff, so I'm gonna assume he's mostly irreplaceable as well, and I'm gonna say he was a collective George Costanza, Elaine, and Kramer.

Ringo was the drummer. You know I'm not gonna sit here and disrespect the role of the drummer, but Ringo just sat back there and bobbed his head around. To my ears, he didn't do anything to put them over the top besides just be there. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't heard much in the way of him being a creatrive force behind the band. I guess he was a silly guy though, so I'll say he was Newman. Newman was a funny part of Seinfeld, but he wasn't that important to the show.

 

[grimtraveller]

Gone Shooting.....

I like debates, the different viewpoints that people bring to any particular subject and disagreement ultimately is what makes debates fun. I'm not particularly interested in trying to 'make people change' or change peoples' minds. That's not down to me and even Colonel Gaddaffi's presently finding out that that can only go so far.....Present the info/opinions that you have and from that point on, you have no control over how someone else processes that stuff, kind of like when someone releases an album........
I will try to correct factual inaccuracies, but matters of opinion are precisely that, all things being equal.
I will state, for the record, that putting anyone or anything on a pedestal is utterly abhorrent to me, it sticks in my craw like few things anyone could imagine. Thinking that someone/song/album/genre or whatever is fantastic/wonderful/exceptional/superlative is not 'putting on a pedestal, that's just balance and opinion.
I dig Phil Rudd's drumming too. For me the 5 albums that comprize AC/DC's "Dirty deeds" to "Back in Black" period are matched by few bands in rock history, in terms of 5 great albums on the bounce.

 

[grimtraveller]

I dont know if its ever been confirmed, but didnt Bernard Perty play on tracks Ringo couldnt cut ?

It's never been confirmed. He says that before the Beatles hit in the States, he played on their stuff to fix it up. He also says that he played on the Rolling Stones' stuff too to fix it up for the listeners in the States. In Max Weinberg's book "The big beat" in which he interviews loads of drummers (including Purdie and Starr), he asks Ringo "Bernard Purdie, one of the great session players from the 60s, says that he played on 21 Beatles tracks" to which Ringo replies "Well then, what was I doing in the studio ? You know, I've heard that rubbish before. Everyone was expecting me to come out and fight it. You don't bother fighting that shit."
Who can tell ? Personally, I don't believe it because none of the Beatles' 1963 songs are rhythmically complex and only "Don't bother me" deviates from their standard rhythms of the time. And it's no secret that Andy white played drums on either the single or album version of "Love me do" so it's not like there was some big secret to hide.....

 

[grimtraveller]

Is there a way to have all 6 mics running into my mixer and have each mic have its own audio track in cubase is really the one question i have. If so can someone help me by explaining how to do so.

Unless your mixer has at least 6 outputs to feed to each track on Cubase, I don't think you can achieve this. A mixer essentially takes multiple inputs, "mixes" them and sends them out either via one or two outputs. To get six separate tracks onto your DAW you'll need an interface with at least 6 inputs.

 

[RAMI]

I think something is getting lost in translation.

I'm not a Beatles or Seinfeld historian, but this is how I see them in comparison.

Jerry was the main character and creator of Seinfeld, right? In that regard, I'd think that Jerry Seinfeld would equate to John and Paul. They were the creative driving force behind the Beatles, as far as I know. Jerry might not have been the most colorful character, but neither was John or Paul, yet they're all three integral to their respective scenarios.

I don't know much about George Harrison besides maybe he was the better guitarist? And he was out front singing and stuff, so I'm gonna assume he's mostly irreplaceable as well, and I'm gonna say he was a collective George Costanza, Elaine, and Kramer.

Ringo was the drummer. You know I'm not gonna sit here and disrespect the role of the drummer, but Ringo just sat back there and bobbed his head around. To my ears, he didn't do anything to put them over the top besides just be there. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't heard much in the way of him being a creatrive force behind the band. I guess he was a silly guy though, so I'll say he was Newman. Newman was a funny part of Seinfeld, but he wasn't that important to the show.

Yes, we're cross-arguing (if that's a word) because of our perception of Jerry's importance as far as the CAST of the show goes.

I was trying to say that I DON'T see him as the "John" or the "Paul" of the show if you just look at the show and forget he's the creator. As far as WHAT GOES ON ON THE SCREEN (not behind the scenes, not taking into account who wrote the show, etc...) he's the LEAST important member of the CAST of the show, in my opinion. In that sense, he's the Ringo of the Seidnfeld. It was just a throw-away comparison and certainly not worth the scrutiny we're giving it.

Just to be clear, even if my Sienfeld comparison is a little off, I find Ringo the least important member of the Beatles.

 

[grimtraveller]

I find Ringo the least important member of the Beatles.

Just before he died, John made a similar observation. He said it was possible for he and Paul to have created the same thing with two other guys, but it might not have been possible for George and Ringo to have created the same thing with two other guys.
Then in the next sentence, he said maybe it wouldn't've worked with two other guys and went on to talk about how Ringo's talents would've come to the fore. And in the same interview he admits to saying little about George because he was bitter and angry at him but later acknowledges how he brought Western and Eastern music together in "Within you without you".
I love these speculations !

 

[RAMI]

Just before he died, John made a similar observation. He said it was possible for he and Paul to have created the same thing with two other guys, but it might not have been possible for George and Ringo to have created the same thing with two other guys.
Then in the next sentence, he said maybe it wouldn't've worked with two other guys and went on to talk about how Ringo's talents would've come to the fore. And in the same interview he admits to saying little about George because he was bitter and angry at him but later acknowledges how he brought Western and Eastern music together in "Within you without you".
I love these speculations !

I think George's contribution was gravely under-estimated. His songs were probably the most in-sightful and had possibly more emotion that any other member. "While my Guitar....", "Taxman" and many others are trademarks as much as, if not more than some of their more popular songs. I love George's tunes.