Ralph Machio?

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For the person who said Ralph Machio in the best guitarist thread, he is an actor not a guitarist, and if you are referring to the showdown at the end of Crossroads, that was Ry Cooder (of "Buena Vista Social Club" fame)...

Please tell me you were kidding.
 
Hey, don't mess with the Karate Kid! :) The showdown in Crossroads with Steve Vai was pretty cool. I liked the beginning of the movie where whoever it was played the hell out of a classical guitar.
 
musikman316 said:
For the person who said Ralph Machio in the best guitarist thread, he is an actor not a guitarist, and if you are referring to the showdown at the end of Crossroads, that was Ry Cooder (of "Buena Vista Social Club" fame)...

Please tell me you were kidding.

Ry Cooder did not play those parts. Arlen Roth did.
 
That was me who said that. Ralph Machio is one of the finest guitarists working in Los Angeles. He's been playing all his life and even has a degree from the Berklee School of Music. When his movie career fizzled he became a full-time studio guitarist and a sideman for Kenny Loggins and has played on many Grammy winning albums.

He didn't play the guitar in Crossroads except for one scene. That was somebody named Roth I think.
 
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from an interview with Roth
"I worked on the music for Crossroads from day one. First of all, I wrote and played all of Macchio's parts right from the beginning, including teaching him 4 days a week, for 2 months even before we started filming. Almost all of his parts were played by me, and improvised on the spot, because I knew the "vocabulary" I had given him on the guitar, and what he could "fake" accurately.

I directed the guitar scenes, and the original "duel" at the end was musically different. It was a slide guitar duel between myself and Ry Cooder (made much more sense than this heavy metal nonsense!), it was real blues! Cooder was also supposed to play the evil part on screen. When he found out he'd been dropped by Walter Hill, he really got pissed off! So, in walked Vai, and then we re-recorded the ending. They actively pursued him, it wasn't some receptionist's "find".

We were all dead-set against this musical destruction of the film, but Walter Hill and Tim Zinneman had no idea what they were doing about music. That's why Walter let me sit in the Director's chair when the guitar scenes were shot!

The blues band and bar scene were actual re-creations of what I did in real life while we were on location in Mississippi! Ralph saw me do that, and said he wanted to do that in the film! He also chose "Landslide", an original piece from my first Rounder album as the piece he plays when standing at the "Crossroads!"

The end sequence actually features the playing of Vai (sped up sometimes) Bill Kanengiser (classical) Ry Cooder and me. Cooder only plays two parts for Ralph in the movie. The rest is all me, and the classical is played by Kanengiser (who has also made 2 instructional videos for my company, Hot Licks Video!)

After coaching Ralph and directing the guitar scenes for Crossroads, I was approached by Oliver Stone to do the same for "The Doors" movie. I turned it down though, the money was lousy, and Frank Whaley didn't want to bother with learning the guitar for his part of playing Robbie Krieger!"

Just really, I think that Ralph Machio did a bang up job, considering that he had never evan touched a gtr before the movie, he was able to fake it well...
 
Arlen Roth? I have the full transcription for the ending of Crossroads and his name is never mentioned once... interesting. Ralph Machio's blazing classical piece on the Tele was credited to Steve Vai. All of the slide work was credited to Ry Cooder.
 
Thank you JR#97 it was Cooder, he wrote the original score and did the slide...
 
Not according to Roth...not all of it....I remember when it came out and reading an interview with Roth about it. Read the interview I posted above
 
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Not according to Roth...not all of it....I remember when it came out and reading an interview with Roth about it. Read the interview I posted above

I did read the interview. I was just pointing out that the music at the end was credited to Ry Cooder and Steve Vai. And Steve Vai got the publishing rights on all of the music at the end.

On a related note, I read that Vai is releasing all the stuff he did from the film in his up-coming box set plus a duel that never made it to the film with Shuggy Otis.
 
It was my understanding that Arlen Roth was Ralph's guitar coach for the movie but Ry Cooder did the showdown at the end. I'm not sure who did the rest of the movie.
 
Ralph Macchio was coached on guitar by Arlen Roth. I'd take Arlen Roth's word for the deal. He doesn't need anything else to brag about. Ralph did a very fine job as an actor playing the guitar. The sounds were someone elses.

Steve
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Ralph Machio was coached on guitar by Mr. Miagi.

Duh...

-Jett
 
I was in Okinawa the past few weeks and took a pic of this street musician on Sat nite. He looks like Mr. Miagi's brother to me.
 

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That was me who said that.

Damn. You're right. However, I listed both Jack Butler and Eugene Martone.

I also read that review with Arlen Roth. In parts he sounds like an insecure dude with a chip on his shoulder. For example, talking about the "heavy metal nonsense" and throwing in that pot-shot that Vai's parts were "sped up" sometimes. Yeah, right. It sounds like definite pot shots. For example, I am no guitar god like Vai, but I can play the Paganini piece at speed. Thus, I sincerely doublt Vai's parts needed any speeding up.

I additionally own the Guitar World with the Crossroads transcription. Vai discusses how he derived the ending from a Paganini piece. Yet it may be possible that Bill Kanengiser played the nylon string arpeggios at the beginning of "Eugene's Trick Bag."
 
Also, I read the review while trying to find Crossroads on DVD. Alas, it has not issued yet.
 
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Damn. You're right. However, I listed both Jack Butler and Eugene Martone.

I also read that review with Arlen Roth. In parts he sounds like an insecure dude with a chip on his shoulder. For example, talking about the "heavy metal nonsense" and throwing in that pot-shot that Vai's parts were "sped up" sometimes. Yeah, right. It sounds like definite pot shots. For example, I am no guitar god like Vai, but I can play the Paganini piece at speed. Thus, I sincerely doublt Vai's parts needed any speeding up.

I additionally own the Guitar World with the Crossroads transcription. Vai discusses how he derived the ending from a Paganini piece. Yet it may be possible that Bill Kanengiser played the nylon string arpeggios at the beginning of "Eugene's Trick Bag."

I'm betting that there were multiple versions recorded in the studio and filmed. Arlen Roth may have laid down a lot of parts that didn't make it in the final cut. Either way, I agree with the pot shots. I have a hard time believing that Steve Vai would ever need parts speeded up. However, it is possible that the director/producers felt that it should have been sped up after it had been recorded. Not because Steve Vai couldn't play it, but because it's cheaper and easier to speed up the tape then it is to go re-record. And I'll also chime in that the piece isn't that difficult to play. I did it in HS back in 89 with a friend of mine and I'm not a speedster at all!
 
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