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xfinsterx
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Blue Bear Sound said:
Thanx bear.
Im trying to critiqe the song as much as possible, but with multi entries and hearing the song about 200 times now.
Im damnwell sick of this song!
Just a little rant....
Thanx bear.
Im trying to critiqe the song as much as possible, but with multi entries and hearing the song about 200 times now.
Im damnwell sick of this song!
Just a little rant....
Doug H
I'll be there
I've made it through about 19 mixes. Wanted to listen to them all last night but had to pack it in with only a couple left.
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xfinsterx
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Doug H said:
What is that on your avatar Doug?
Doug H
I'll be there
It's my guitar shot from the bridge up, and then run through enough filters so you can't tell how crappy my web cam is.
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xfinsterx
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Doug H said:
Ahh,, ok now im seein it.
Doug H
I'll be there
<whew>
There may be some funny line spacing because I wriote this in notepad over the last two days and had to fix some lines after copying it into the web page.
Listening on cheapie headphones plugged into cheapie monitors (Edirol m10s)
I tried to keep it to genreal observations and not so much taste as best as I
could.
bennychico11 entry2.mp3
Overheads buried most of this mix. Drums sounded good.
Nice sound on the accoutic, couldn't hear the bass very well at all. Bit of strange compression going on somewhere and not a lot of "oomph" in the mix.
caryindy entry2.mp3
Nice job on the drums, too much cymbals for me, but they sounded good. build up to 1000 guitar tracks, way cool. Your added tracks kept the feel of the song. Vocals got a bit lost at times. Bass didn't sit right in the mix for me, maybe because the rest of the mix was so bright.
Erik713 Entry.mp3
Clean mix, maybe too clean. I Thought the vocals could have have come up some. Keys were simple but fit. Drums were dominant leaving the mix spread to thin. Keeping the drums I would have liked more bass. The kick had me thinking "dance mix" when I first fired this one up.
gumplunger entry.mp3
Great full sound, really nice sound stage. Prominent vocals too, nice. Reverb on the vocal set it outside the mix here and there. Dude, what did you do to the bass?
Maybe it's down below the freq response of what I'm listening through? It's seriusly squashed too (or maybe retracked?).
Halion entry.mp3
Nice balanced frequency range and lot's of life in this mix. Not too much action on the vox track, which sounds great. Radio echos are cool, but muddled the chorus lines up a bit. Something about the stereo guitars and their respective panning, volume, didn't sit quite right. I dug the bass riff at the end.
lascalaboy entry2.mp3
MP3 sounds fuzzy, maybe a bit lite on the bitrate? One of the meatier mixes, nice snare. Nice solid sound while preserving the dynamic cues of the song. I don't get the random key track, it sounds like a production mistake.
lemontree entry.mp3
Balanced mix, sounds overprocessed tho. Overall airy sound had a refreshing vibe to it. Bass sounded too thick and compressed for the mix.
MAC2 Entry.mp3
Good stuff on the drums. Backing vox were a nice touch. I thought the vocals could come up a bit.
MixMister Entry.mp3
Wow, I was blown away by this. Great sound stage. Very different vision than the base tracks but preserved a lot of the musical spirit of the song. Vocal treatment was awesome and perfect for the production. Loved the transition into the chorus.
NikD entry.mp3
Good drums. Drums and the accoustic sounded really clear and tight. Good mix overall but I thought the vocals sounded thin and the bass was too squashed. Percussion at the end was pretty cool.
NL5 Entry.mp3
Solid balance and mixing. Not sure I'm down with that snare for this tune.
Mix didn't sound very dynamic to me, and was kind of muddy. Too much
compressor maybe?
NL5 Entry2.mp3
Well, I already listenned to the first one so I might as well keep it in the post. I forget listening to it, so this is a fresh (if I can be fresh after hearing this song 300 times) listen.
Good mix wise, low end was pretty boomy. I mostly liked the guitar treatment, but it and the bass weren't happenning together for me. Cymbals sounded great.
ocnor entry.mp3
Bright and crisp, except for the vocals (?). One of the mixes that got away with bringing the overheads up. Bass sounded cool but I could have heard it mixed louder. Vocal echo at the end is a good idea but it sounded out of sync to me.
ProTools User Entry.mp3
Good vocal presence. Most of the tracks sounded really good. I couldn't reall hear the bass so that was hard to tell. I didn't like the slap back echo much.
stone_eufemia entry.mp3
The only mix I've heard so far that might have too much vocals. Good drums, good snare. Bass could have been more prominent. The second guitar was lost in the mix. Good production with parts coming in and out, but I think the loud vocals kept the added dynamics from really kicking in.
superskyrocket entry.mp3
This was cool, changing the chords around was maybe too much of a departure, but what the hell. Nice guitar tone and keys too. Vocal treatment matched the tone of the production, sort of early Pat Benitar sounding.
thundercage Entry.mp3
Good drums and cymbals. I didn't care much for the reverb on the guitar and vocals, even from the perspecitive of a mix effect. The vocal track itself sounded good, especially in the breaks. Mix had a full sound.
SedStar Entry.wma
Interesting drum sound, very intimate, maybe too much toms. Didn't like the effect on the vocals, but I liked the concept as a whole, I think it just needs to be tweaked.
schenkerguy entry.mp3
Good band sound. Nice choice of key patches. Bass tack you subbed sounded good. So did the vocals, although they really had a different eq and sound than the rest of the mix, maybe too much so.
79_Les_Paul Entry.mp3
Good mix overall, good levels and panning. It had a dark and muffled sound
to it, I thought it could use some crisping up.
Tonio Entry.mp3
Liked the feel of this one right away (eq, compression etc...). Some neat stuff on the vocals. Despite the effects I think the vocal track didn't get as good a deal as the rest of the tracks. Drums and bass sounded killer, especially going the deep/thick route with the bass track. I wouldn't have thought it could be done.
Wow, it's amazing how many different interpretations of the same song you get. I expected to hear 19 versions of the same mix with only varying differences.
Biggest good thing I heard was drum treatment. Lot's of the drums tracks sounded bitching. Biggest problem was the bass track and overall bottom end.
There may be some funny line spacing because I wriote this in notepad over the last two days and had to fix some lines after copying it into the web page.
Listening on cheapie headphones plugged into cheapie monitors (Edirol m10s)
I tried to keep it to genreal observations and not so much taste as best as I
could.
bennychico11 entry2.mp3
Overheads buried most of this mix. Drums sounded good.
Nice sound on the accoutic, couldn't hear the bass very well at all. Bit of strange compression going on somewhere and not a lot of "oomph" in the mix.
caryindy entry2.mp3
Nice job on the drums, too much cymbals for me, but they sounded good. build up to 1000 guitar tracks, way cool. Your added tracks kept the feel of the song. Vocals got a bit lost at times. Bass didn't sit right in the mix for me, maybe because the rest of the mix was so bright.
Erik713 Entry.mp3
Clean mix, maybe too clean. I Thought the vocals could have have come up some. Keys were simple but fit. Drums were dominant leaving the mix spread to thin. Keeping the drums I would have liked more bass. The kick had me thinking "dance mix" when I first fired this one up.
gumplunger entry.mp3
Great full sound, really nice sound stage. Prominent vocals too, nice. Reverb on the vocal set it outside the mix here and there. Dude, what did you do to the bass?
Maybe it's down below the freq response of what I'm listening through? It's seriusly squashed too (or maybe retracked?). Halion entry.mp3
Nice balanced frequency range and lot's of life in this mix. Not too much action on the vox track, which sounds great. Radio echos are cool, but muddled the chorus lines up a bit. Something about the stereo guitars and their respective panning, volume, didn't sit quite right. I dug the bass riff at the end.
lascalaboy entry2.mp3
MP3 sounds fuzzy, maybe a bit lite on the bitrate? One of the meatier mixes, nice snare. Nice solid sound while preserving the dynamic cues of the song. I don't get the random key track, it sounds like a production mistake.
lemontree entry.mp3
Balanced mix, sounds overprocessed tho. Overall airy sound had a refreshing vibe to it. Bass sounded too thick and compressed for the mix.
MAC2 Entry.mp3
Good stuff on the drums. Backing vox were a nice touch. I thought the vocals could come up a bit.
MixMister Entry.mp3
Wow, I was blown away by this. Great sound stage. Very different vision than the base tracks but preserved a lot of the musical spirit of the song. Vocal treatment was awesome and perfect for the production. Loved the transition into the chorus.
NikD entry.mp3
Good drums. Drums and the accoustic sounded really clear and tight. Good mix overall but I thought the vocals sounded thin and the bass was too squashed. Percussion at the end was pretty cool.
NL5 Entry.mp3
Solid balance and mixing. Not sure I'm down with that snare for this tune.
Mix didn't sound very dynamic to me, and was kind of muddy. Too much
compressor maybe?
NL5 Entry2.mp3
Well, I already listenned to the first one so I might as well keep it in the post. I forget listening to it, so this is a fresh (if I can be fresh after hearing this song 300 times) listen.
Good mix wise, low end was pretty boomy. I mostly liked the guitar treatment, but it and the bass weren't happenning together for me. Cymbals sounded great.
ocnor entry.mp3
Bright and crisp, except for the vocals (?). One of the mixes that got away with bringing the overheads up. Bass sounded cool but I could have heard it mixed louder. Vocal echo at the end is a good idea but it sounded out of sync to me.
ProTools User Entry.mp3
Good vocal presence. Most of the tracks sounded really good. I couldn't reall hear the bass so that was hard to tell. I didn't like the slap back echo much.
stone_eufemia entry.mp3
The only mix I've heard so far that might have too much vocals. Good drums, good snare. Bass could have been more prominent. The second guitar was lost in the mix. Good production with parts coming in and out, but I think the loud vocals kept the added dynamics from really kicking in.
superskyrocket entry.mp3
This was cool, changing the chords around was maybe too much of a departure, but what the hell. Nice guitar tone
and keys too. Vocal treatment matched the tone of the production, sort of early Pat Benitar sounding.thundercage Entry.mp3
Good drums and cymbals. I didn't care much for the reverb on the guitar and vocals, even from the perspecitive of a mix effect. The vocal track itself sounded good, especially in the breaks. Mix had a full sound.
SedStar Entry.wma
Interesting drum sound, very intimate, maybe too much toms. Didn't like the effect on the vocals, but I liked the concept as a whole, I think it just needs to be tweaked.
schenkerguy entry.mp3
Good band sound. Nice choice of key patches. Bass tack you subbed sounded good. So did the vocals, although they really had a different eq and sound than the rest of the mix, maybe too much so.
79_Les_Paul Entry.mp3
Good mix overall, good levels and panning. It had a dark and muffled sound
to it, I thought it could use some crisping up.
Tonio Entry.mp3
Liked the feel of this one right away (eq, compression etc...). Some neat stuff on the vocals. Despite the effects I think the vocal track didn't get as good a deal as the rest of the tracks. Drums and bass sounded killer, especially going the deep/thick route with the bass track. I wouldn't have thought it could be done.
Wow, it's amazing how many different interpretations of the same song you get. I expected to hear 19 versions of the same mix with only varying differences.
Biggest good thing I heard was drum treatment. Lot's of the drums tracks sounded bitching. Biggest problem was the bass track and overall bottom end.
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gumplunger
New member
Very nice job on the comments.
edit: Yeah, I was having a little trouble with the bass. IMO it sounded like poop so I tried to EQ the bad frequencies out and it kinda ended up taking a lot with it. I dunno, I can still hear it alright on my KRK monitors.
edit: Yeah, I was having a little trouble with the bass. IMO it sounded like poop so I tried to EQ the bad frequencies out and it kinda ended up taking a lot with it. I dunno, I can still hear it alright on my KRK monitors.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
Here's my entry in the contest;
mixdown contest #2 @
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/?aid=1322/album43
mixdown contest #2 @
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/?aid=1322/album43
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xfinsterx
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mixmkr said:
Utter Domination.
Much Respect.
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lumbago
New member
Here's my entry,
Halion
New member
Man I can't wait till the winner is anounced . I thought I'd stand a pretty good chance of winning, but that was way before the 19+ entries there are now *holds breath for 2 days*
. I thought I'd stand a pretty good chance of winning, but that was way before the 19+ entries there are now *holds breath for 2 days*
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Riccardo
New member
My mix
Ok, here is my entry for the contest....
Ok, here is my entry for the contest....
Doug H
I'll be there
tx.gumplunger said:
I started listenning late at night, so I listenned to the whole set on headphones to keep my perspecitve consistent. The bass line does seem to come out a bit more on my monitors.
Doug H
I'll be there
I totally agree that these mix contests should only allow one submission, no redo's whatsoever. That being said, since it hasn't been formally applied to this one yet my new mix is up on nowhere
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1830&alid=476
If this contest get's retrofitted with the single submission rule, no probs, I just had to have another crack at it.
btw, just to be sure, this is a replacement mix, I don't want to make Blue Bear listen to two mixes.
Doug
edit:
I won't be trying to squeeze another one in, I'm done with this one.
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1830&alid=476
If this contest get's retrofitted with the single submission rule, no probs, I just had to have another crack at it.
btw, just to be sure, this is a replacement mix, I don't want to make Blue Bear listen to two mixes.
Doug
edit:
I won't be trying to squeeze another one in, I'm done with this one.
ocnor
Lord Of The Thighs
In the spirit of fairness maybe the contest should be split into 2 separate catagories: One for people that only remixed the original tracks and one for people that added extra tracks or re-wrote the song entirely. Otherwise it would be like comparing apples to oranges. Also the way that the contest is set up now gives an unfair advantage to the people that enter last. They have the opportunity to listen to the other mixes and read the comments made. This allows them to adjust their mix based on popular opinion rather than their own. For the next contest maybe it would be better to have everyone wait until the deadline and post all of the entries on the same day.
bennychico11
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ocnor said:
some good points. i agree with the only allowing one entry deal too that was stated earlier. and the problem with people remixing stuff that I have is that it turns not into a MIX competition but more of a "who can compose a better song" competition. And I thought we were in it for the mix. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the stuff people have done...but I agree that we should just stick to mixing it and not trying to be part of the band.
Problem with everyone putting their entry in on one day is that not everyone has time to visit this site all at one time. Some people are out of town, others have jobs to worry about (hint as to why Blue Bear and other people haven't had time to put their entries in). Maybe what people could do is just not comment on it until the end. Or maybe just send your entry through PM to finster or giles. I don't...my thoughts.
giles117
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Raw-Tracks
New member
Here's my entry. Haven't had a lot of time to listen to many of the submissions. Only a couple so far. Hopefully I can find some time soon to offer up some comments.
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lumbago
New member
Think not of the prize, but how diverse the approaches.
Think not of the equipment, but of the skill of the contributors.
Celebrate the creativity - it is a fine thing to witness en masse.
I'm pleased to have the opportunity to put my work up here for comment. I love all of the tracks contributed so far - for different reasons. I am glad to learn from the efforts of others, and from their comments. This is my first time using VST effects - it was a learning experience, especially with limitations on my hardware.
I'd love to know what everyone else used, especially for re-pitching the vocals.
Some of the sounds on other people's tracks were spectacular.
I did originally question the validity of adding additional tracks, but figured adding tracks wasn't a crime, but replacing tracks all together wasn't what I should be doing. In the end, the listener just wants an aesthetic experience, so that's what I felt was the bottom line.
I was a little embarrassed to enter, but I felt that other people would feel better about their own efforts if I entered.
Lumbago
n-tracks software
Pentium III 600mHz 256kB RAM laptop
1GB disk space free
Windows 2000
Cheap Roland headphones and in-ear walkman headphones.
n-tracks EQ
Freeverb (reverb)
Akai compressor (vocal)
Double Delay (delay/chorus)
Akai pitch correction (vocal)
I added some strings from a Roland XV-5050, played real-time (no sequence/midi) against the vocal and guitar track, then re-imported my string track into the mix of original tracks. The timing was somehow out due to "stretch", so I had to slice thin wedges out of the track to fix it.
I have low-grade gear, no speakers, and had to EQ by sight because of bad headphones, and overdub by recording against the vocal track alone, and importing into n-tracks, because I was out of CPU and RAM and had low disk space on my old Pentium 3 laptop. I couldn't even run all the tracks concurrently due to CPU (so I lost one overhead and the toms).
I had fun and learned a lot.
Thanks to the organizers.
Think not of the equipment, but of the skill of the contributors.
Celebrate the creativity - it is a fine thing to witness en masse.
I'm pleased to have the opportunity to put my work up here for comment. I love all of the tracks contributed so far - for different reasons. I am glad to learn from the efforts of others, and from their comments. This is my first time using VST effects - it was a learning experience, especially with limitations on my hardware.
I'd love to know what everyone else used, especially for re-pitching the vocals.
Some of the sounds on other people's tracks were spectacular.
I did originally question the validity of adding additional tracks, but figured adding tracks wasn't a crime, but replacing tracks all together wasn't what I should be doing. In the end, the listener just wants an aesthetic experience, so that's what I felt was the bottom line.
I was a little embarrassed to enter, but I felt that other people would feel better about their own efforts if I entered.
Lumbago
n-tracks software
Pentium III 600mHz 256kB RAM laptop
1GB disk space free
Windows 2000
Cheap Roland headphones and in-ear walkman headphones.
n-tracks EQ
Freeverb (reverb)
Akai compressor (vocal)
Double Delay (delay/chorus)
Akai pitch correction (vocal)
I added some strings from a Roland XV-5050, played real-time (no sequence/midi) against the vocal and guitar track, then re-imported my string track into the mix of original tracks. The timing was somehow out due to "stretch", so I had to slice thin wedges out of the track to fix it.
I have low-grade gear, no speakers, and had to EQ by sight because of bad headphones, and overdub by recording against the vocal track alone, and importing into n-tracks, because I was out of CPU and RAM and had low disk space on my old Pentium 3 laptop. I couldn't even run all the tracks concurrently due to CPU (so I lost one overhead and the toms).
I had fun and learned a lot.
Thanks to the organizers.
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schenkerguy
Member
I also agree there should be some boundaries about what you can redo with the song.. I personally replaced the bass track as I thought it was almost unusable, but I spent a long time editing/gating/eq'ing etc the drums to make them sound better.. I could have used sample loops or drumkit from hell to make a great sounding new drumkit, but that wouldn't be mixing, that would be a remake!
But then a producer like George Martin with the Beatles, would say "sounds good, but let's speed up the tempo, add some strings, take out a verse here, and put some piano here.." etc. So are we mixing, or producing? All things we should clarify for the next one (which I'm looking forward to!)
Maybe also we could just e-mail the links to the mixes somewhere, and they could be revealed to everyone after the submission deadline, so people can't use other peoples ideas...
But then a producer like George Martin with the Beatles, would say "sounds good, but let's speed up the tempo, add some strings, take out a verse here, and put some piano here.." etc. So are we mixing, or producing? All things we should clarify for the next one (which I'm looking forward to!)
Maybe also we could just e-mail the links to the mixes somewhere, and they could be revealed to everyone after the submission deadline, so people can't use other peoples ideas...