orange amps

[sile2001]

At their rated wattage, a tube amp and a transistor amp of the same power rating will be the same volume.

I'm not even gonna get into the debate as to why it is. I just know that each of my 30 watt tube amps (Orange AD30TC 2x12 and Peavey Classic 30 1x12 with 1x12 extension cab) are capable of downing out my solid state Tech21 Trademark 120 with ease. Take from that whatever you want.

I'll agree with edgarallenpoe about the Trademark 60. That is one amazing little amp. I made a mistake trading it in on a Trademark 120...they have very different preamps and the way the 60 worked fit better with my style. Oh well...the Orange is the answer to all of my needs now

All the way back to the Crush 30. While I was looking for a new amp, I went to the local Orange dealer to try out an AD30TC. While I was there, I also tried out the Rockerverbs and others they had, and they also had a Crush 15 there. It didn't sound exactly like the AD30's, and was missing a little something in the ridiculous dynamic sensitivity of it's tube brothers, but overall I was very impressed. It had a lot in common with the rest of the Oranges and it had a very usable sound. Of course, make sure you spend a LONG time playing something in the store before you buy it.

 

[edgarallanpoe]

At their rated wattage, a tube amp and a transistor amp of the same power rating will be the same volume.

You couldn't be more wrong. There isn't a 100 watt solid state amp in the world that can hang with my 1970 Marshall 100 Super Lead. I am no engineer, but I can tell you that a tube amp will be louder than its solid state counterpart. Maybe there are exceptions...but I have never heard one. Not even close.

 

[travelin travis]

anyone that has owned both tube and solid state amps knows that there is no question on the volume difference in equal wattage amps...........no it's not debateable..............shttttttt..........

facts is facts. tube sounds better and is louder.

 

[ggunn]

anyone that has owned both tube and solid state amps knows that there is no question on the volume difference in equal wattage amps...........no it's not debateable..............shttttttt..........

facts is facts. tube sounds better and is louder.

We may not be talking about the same thing. What I do know is that when an amplifier is putting out, say, 50 watts in a clean sine wave, whether it comes from a transistor amp or a tube amp, it's the same volume. It has to be, because power measurement is taken by measuring the RMS voltage across a calibrated load. P=V^2/R, and a speaker doesn't know or care where that voltage is coming from.

Tube amps sound better? No question about that; I have six of them. I used to own a solid state Peavy 50w amp (I took it in lieu of cash from someone who owed me money); and it was loud as all hell, but it sounded like crap.

 

[travelin travis]

We may not be talking about the same thing. What I do know is that when an amplifier is putting out, say, 50 watts in a clean sine wave, whether it comes from a transistor amp or a tube amp, it's the same volume. It has to be, because power measurement is taken by measuring the RMS voltage across a calibrated load. P=V^2/R, and a speaker doesn't know or care where that voltage is coming from.

Tube amps sound better? No question about that; I have six of them. I used to own a solid state Peavy 50w amp (I took it in lieu of cash from someone who owed me money); and it was loud as all hell, but it sounded like crap.

I don't know anything about all the scientific mumbo.......actually I wish I did.........but I have owned plenty of solid state amps, a couple of tube amps, and have played thru a variety of both. The proof is in listening, not in formula's. I'm not saying that solid state amp's are'nt loud. Of course a 100 watt solid state amp is loud but a 100 watt tube amp SOUNDS and FEELS much louder to my ears and skin.

 

[travelin travis]

You couldn't be more wrong. There isn't a 100 watt solid state amp in the world that can hang with my 1970 Marshall 100 Super Lead. I am no engineer, but I can tell you that a tube amp will be louder than its solid state counterpart. Maybe there are exceptions...but I have never heard one. Not even close.

That is indeed a damn loud amp. A friend of mine owns what I believe is a super lead, a 100 watt hiwatt, and a 200 watt hiwatt. All are damn loud amps.

 

[ggunn]

You couldn't be more wrong. There isn't a 100 watt solid state amp in the world that can hang with my 1970 Marshall 100 Super Lead. I am no engineer, but I can tell you that a tube amp will be louder than its solid state counterpart. Maybe there are exceptions...but I have never heard one. Not even close.

Like I said, we may not be talking about the same thing. For a given speaker, the same number of watts being pushed through it will generate the same SPL (sound pressure level) whether the power comes from tubes or transistors. If one amp is louder than another through the same speakers, it is producing more power. Aside: hearing is subjective. Harmonic content influences how loud something sounds to the ear.

Some folks think that there is a difference between "tube watts" and "transistor watts". There isn't.

 

[JeffLancaster]

I had considered that as well (well not the guitar port but similar options) and I really just dont think I'd be happy playing through my computer. I mean, how good can it actually sound through pc speakers? also, I was afraid I'd be left dealing with latency which I would rather not fight with.

I have a V-Amp Pro which I play both my guitars and my bass through. When I'm just playing I route the output straight to my monitors and don't experience any noticable latency. When recording, I use the SPDIF into my PC. You're right, it probably wouldn't sound good through PC speakers, but if you have a nice set of monitors you can get quite a variety of tones that sound pretty darn good in my opinion. And you don't necessarily have to play loud to get good tone. If you are playing/recording in an apartment where you are worried about bothering the neighbors I think this would be a good solution.

 

[travelin travis]

Like I said, we may not be talking about the same thing. For a given speaker, the same number of watts being pushed through it will generate the same SPL (sound pressure level) whether the power comes from tubes or transistors. If one amp is louder than another through the same speakers, it is producing more power. Aside: hearing is subjective. Harmonic content influences how loud something sounds to the ear.

Some folks think that there is a difference between "tube watts" and "transistor watts". There isn't.

I don't think it's a matter of tube watts vs. solid state watts. watts are watts. the difference is in the sound going into the brain.

 

[soundchaser59]

but outlaw is right about the volume to achieve good tone thing.

Except the Vox AD30VT is different......it has a "power soak" knob on the back that lets you crank it up all the way, then control the speaker volume with the power soak, so you dont lose your tone at lower volume.

For another $50 I'd get the AD30VT any day before I'd get any solid state orange slush.....

 

[sile2001]

Except the Vox AD30VT is different......it has a "power soak" knob on the back that lets you crank it up all the way, then control the speaker volume with the power soak, so you dont lose your tone at lower volume.

For another $50 I'd get the AD30VT any day before I'd get any solid state orange slush.....

But there is also something to be said for driving a speaker hard. Speakers start responding differently when they are driven harder.

 

[drstawl]

I don't think it's a matter of tube watts vs. solid state watts. watts are watts. the difference is in the sound going into the brain.

I think you miss what is being said.

The subjectivity is in the level of conservatism applied when claiming a value for the power output.

 

[pedro_sandchez]

to those guys that have helped out in supplying some info about my question, thanks.
to those of you who jacked the thread and turned it into some stupid argument about what is louder...how about you make your own thread and stop filling mine with stuff I (and pretty much noone else) really cares about?

I'm going to look around locally and see if anyone carries the line 6 amp. if not, i'll probably end up getting the orange

 

[sile2001]

When looking at Line6 amps, keep this in mind: In general, Line6 designs their modelling technology to produce an already processed sound. If they make a Marshall model, the make it sound like a Marshall recorded with a certain mic, run through a mild compressor, and with some other studio tricks to give it a polished sound. It won't necessarily sound exactly like a Marshall all by itself would.

This is not necessarily a bad thing...it all depends on how you plan to use the amp.

 

[travelin travis]

sorry about hijackin your thread pedro...................

 

[travelin travis]

When looking at Line6 amps, keep this in mind: In general, Line6 designs their modelling technology to produce an already processed sound. If they make a Marshall model, the make it sound like a Marshall recorded with a certain mic, run through a mild compressor, and with some other studio tricks to give it a polished sound. It won't necessarily sound exactly like a Marshall all by itself would.

This is not necessarily a bad thing...it all depends on how you plan to use the amp.

translation = not good for live sound

 

[ggunn]

to those guys that have helped out in supplying some info about my question, thanks.
to those of you who jacked the thread and turned it into some stupid argument about what is louder...how about you make your own thread and stop filling mine with stuff I (and pretty much noone else) really cares about?

I'm going to look around locally and see if anyone carries the line 6 amp. if not, i'll probably end up getting the orange

FWIW, once you launch a thread, you don't own it. Threads shift around all the time; it's free speech, my man. But I think that we're pretty much done.

 

[sile2001]

Well, not necessarily bad for live sound either...the sound tech just has to be prepared for what he's getting. I read an article about the guitarist Lincoln Brewster...very interesting. He toured for a while as one of the guitarists in Journey, and has been either one of or THE guitarist in a few Christian rock bands since then...and the man uses a Line 6 Pod for his sound. Go figure.

 

[travelin travis]

Well, not necessarily bad for live sound either...the sound tech just has to be prepared for what he's getting. I read an article about the guitarist Lincoln Brewster...very interesting. He toured for a while as one of the guitarists in Journey, and has been either one of or THE guitarist in a few Christian rock bands since then...and the man uses a Line 6 Pod for his sound. Go figure.

I owned a Lin6 for a bit. It was a duoverb 212 and I thought it sounded pretty damn good at the time for my recording purposes anyway. I only jammed with it a couple of times and one of those times was a real ear opener. A friend of mine brought over a 50 watt marshall lead head and a 212 cab. We got our levels set with a drummer that was there and when we started playing, the Line6 just got buried. Even when I turned it up louder it just did'nt work well with my friend's tube head or alone with the drums for that matter. It was almost like I set the eq for a huge mid cut. We even tried cranking up the mids but it just would'nt cut thru.

Me and another friend, who had also owned a couple of Line6 amp's, conversed over it a bit and came to the conclusion that the Line6's sound like a recorded guitar amp running thru a stereo system.

 

[travelin travis]

FWIW, once you launch a thread, you don't own it. Threads shift around all the time; it's free speech, my man. But I think that we're pretty much done.

threads do take turns all the time but that does'nt mean that they should. he asked for help and we turned it into another never ending debate thread........amd vs. athlon, ford vs. chevy, tape vs. digital,............it really seemed to be a pointless debate anyway. tubes are louder.