J
jeff0633
Member
Hey dudes. Guitar player here (one-man-band), been playing for twenty something years. I have seen so much Behringer bashing, it's hard to comprehend. I have heard fine recordings from the mic 2200 preamp, I have heard fine compression from the composers, and I own an RNC. I have owned a Great River pre, and a Peavey VMP2 Tube pre. I use a UB series mixer on stage and for recording. The efx in the mixer are from the newest Virtualizer. Putting the headphones on and listening intently, I think the reverbs are very nice, so are the delays. I ahve also owned a lexicon reverb unit in the past. When I purchased my UB mixer, I also had a 1202 VLZ pro with xDR pres. I later decided to sell one of them. The UB had more feeatures, but I wanted to compare the IMP pres against the VLZ pres. I set my acoustic up, with and miced with two Marshall 603's I would record one thing with each pre, and simply unplug from the UB direct out and then use the Mackie direct out. I found the UB IMP's to sound MUCH better to my ears. The top end was airy and clean, and the Mackie's wasn't. I went over this for three days, hours and hours of testing trying to decide which to keep, and I ended up selling the VLZ. In my opinion, the ImP pres simply sounded better. In fact, I didn't even want to come to that conclusion. I TRIED NOT TO COME TO THAT CONCLUSION, BUT I DID!!! I tried to convince myself that the VLZ's sounded better, but the clear sparkly high end on the UB was simply better, and I knew this after the first few tests on the first day, but I kept testing anyway, not wanting to accept what I knew my ears were hearing. They sat side by side for three straight days of comparisons, and the UB kicked ass.
Now, just to give an example, I have a recording of me with a 12 hundred dollar Great river preamp, using a Marshall V67G condenser. All three tracks were recorde with it, but it was in my shitty little bathroom, with a blanket hung over the tub area. To me, it sounds like shit. It was recorded straight into my Echo Mia 24 buit card. Here is the link.
Now, here is a song buy a guy named Charlie Glascow. I met him on the 4 track news group. I have a few of his songs, and I still remember what he used to get this song and the others. It sounds way better than mine to me, yet, here is his chain. He used a cheap condenser, into a Behringer Mic 2200 tube preamp, then into a 20 bit Echo Gina card. Then, he mixed it down to a Panasonic VCR, then back through a Behringer dualfex pro enhancer (which is why I am writing this, I was looking at the reviews of the new ultrafex Behringers on harmony central, and saw glowing reports, but here a few called them total shit) and back onto the computer. here is the link
It is amazing that I can still remember his recording chain, cause it's been over two years ago since I talked with him. That's how much it effected me. What it shows me is that, if I had a thouseand dollars to spend, and I could choose between a Behringer preamp, and spending 800 dollars on room treatment, bass traps and studio foam, or choose a Great River preamp and have a shitty recording space, I would clearly choose the Behringer pre, and some good studio foam and bass traps. Charlie recorded this song in his bedroom, and he had matress foam pads all over the walls. My song had no foam or bass traps, but it did have a 12 hundred dollar Great River, and was at 24 bit. It tells me that the room is a VERY VERY important part of a pro sounding recording, maybe four or fives times as important as a preamp. So, every time I see people bashing Behringer, I laugh, because I know that if you have a good room to record in, then you can make fine recording with Behringer pres. Now, I know that Great Rivers are much better, but that doesn't mean a whole lot if you are trying to record in a fucking bedroom with bouncing wavs and muddy frequencies all over the place. Soon, I am going to call the loacal studio and see if I can take my Zoom 1044 16 bit recorder down there, and I am going to record in the space using only the built in zoom preamps, but it will be in a quiet, soundproof, well-tuned studio. When I do, I will post the results. By the way, I think Carlie also used a composer on his recordings. Anyway, the Dualfex and mic 2200 really stuck out in my mind. His songs sound way better than anything I have ever recorded. I wish I could get results like that.
Well, I have my flame suit on, so let's hear your comments.
Jeff
Now, just to give an example, I have a recording of me with a 12 hundred dollar Great river preamp, using a Marshall V67G condenser. All three tracks were recorde with it, but it was in my shitty little bathroom, with a blanket hung over the tub area. To me, it sounds like shit. It was recorded straight into my Echo Mia 24 buit card. Here is the link.
Now, here is a song buy a guy named Charlie Glascow. I met him on the 4 track news group. I have a few of his songs, and I still remember what he used to get this song and the others. It sounds way better than mine to me, yet, here is his chain. He used a cheap condenser, into a Behringer Mic 2200 tube preamp, then into a 20 bit Echo Gina card. Then, he mixed it down to a Panasonic VCR, then back through a Behringer dualfex pro enhancer (which is why I am writing this, I was looking at the reviews of the new ultrafex Behringers on harmony central, and saw glowing reports, but here a few called them total shit) and back onto the computer. here is the link
It is amazing that I can still remember his recording chain, cause it's been over two years ago since I talked with him. That's how much it effected me. What it shows me is that, if I had a thouseand dollars to spend, and I could choose between a Behringer preamp, and spending 800 dollars on room treatment, bass traps and studio foam, or choose a Great River preamp and have a shitty recording space, I would clearly choose the Behringer pre, and some good studio foam and bass traps. Charlie recorded this song in his bedroom, and he had matress foam pads all over the walls. My song had no foam or bass traps, but it did have a 12 hundred dollar Great River, and was at 24 bit. It tells me that the room is a VERY VERY important part of a pro sounding recording, maybe four or fives times as important as a preamp. So, every time I see people bashing Behringer, I laugh, because I know that if you have a good room to record in, then you can make fine recording with Behringer pres. Now, I know that Great Rivers are much better, but that doesn't mean a whole lot if you are trying to record in a fucking bedroom with bouncing wavs and muddy frequencies all over the place. Soon, I am going to call the loacal studio and see if I can take my Zoom 1044 16 bit recorder down there, and I am going to record in the space using only the built in zoom preamps, but it will be in a quiet, soundproof, well-tuned studio. When I do, I will post the results. By the way, I think Carlie also used a composer on his recordings. Anyway, the Dualfex and mic 2200 really stuck out in my mind. His songs sound way better than anything I have ever recorded. I wish I could get results like that.
Well, I have my flame suit on, so let's hear your comments.
Jeff
and never start a post off with, "Hey Dudes"