Notice a lot of unfair Behringer bashing, what's up?

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c7sus said:
What a fuckin flake you turned out to be.

"The music store is responsible.............":rolleyes:

Blow it out your punk ass.
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My flame suit is working admirably.

Have a nice day.

Jeff
 
Behringer gear ain't that bad...

A lot of people have a problem with Behringer because it's cheap and made in China. But some of their products are actually quite good. Ive got a composer that I believe is outstanding value. Then again I don't think much of their analog desk EQs. They have a mic preamp that's not too bad either for the price.

You can make some really good recordings with budget gear if you know what you're doing. It's more about experience than equipment. It's a bit juvenile to hate a company just because they make stuff that amateurs can afford.

Cheers,
Skip
 
Re: Behringer gear ain't that bad...

Skipster said:
A lot of people have a problem with Behringer because it's cheap and made in China. But some of their products are actually quite good. Ive got a composer that I believe is outstanding value. Then again I don't think much of their analog desk EQs. They have a mic preamp that's not too bad either for the price.

You can make some really good recordings with budget gear if you know what you're doing. It's more about experience than equipment. It's a bit juvenile to hate a company just because they make stuff that amateurs can afford.

Cheers,
Skip
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Somebody shoot me now!!!:o :o :o :o
 
Hmmm...

Lotsa comments out there...

I think that everyone has had a Behringer "something or other" in their rack at one time or another...

And I agree that some gear they have doesn't sound that good... But that's the stuff I replace with better gear... I'm pretty happy with most of the purchases I've made from them so far...

I must admit as well that I've seen some of their gear that looks suspiciously like other gear... BUT - I've also seen other companies that have that "Suspicious look" to them, too... There's only so many shapes you can make a Mic... And everyone has used the 12Ax7 tube in their tube pre's as well... But I've also seen a number of smaller mixers they've made that sound rather nice and don't look like anything else on the market...

Beyond this... I've also made "good money" using their gear... The key here is "everything that makes a recording a recording"... It's not only the gear - It IS the room - It IS the mixer - It IS the engineer... Look as Los Lobos who mixed and mastered their album on the first Mackie MX1602(?) mixer??? The whole album was put out using two of those little poop decks and everyone was blown away and loved it...

The point is: Music is about expression... If someone can't mix without a 80,000 dollar soundboard - have a great time - Good for you...

The rest of us will be making music all around you - And damn good music too - If you want to mix Christina Agiullra in your studio be my guest... There's plenty of people out there who will not be able to afford you and will come to those of us who love music and human interaction and good music - And we will make their music in a way that people will listen to the recordings and say "How did they do that?!" And we'll get paid to do it too...!
(I'm sorry - I didn't mean for this to get this long)...

I'm just passionate about music... If someone comes to me and wants me to record them - There's a reason for that... And If I don't think I can make them sound good - I will tell them to go somewhere else...
(I hope all this is making my point)...

Lastly...
Don't profess that just because you have "pro gear" you are a "real pro"... I NEVER tell anyone I am a pro... I think I'm a damn good judge of music and know how to run a small studio pretty well - And because of that - people actually pay me to do their albums and comercials - "GOOD MONEY"... I have the best gear I can afford in my rack and I've turned out GREAT results... And my customer base attests to that...

If Mozart owned a Behringer mixer - Do you think that Sony Pictures would refuse to use him because his gear wasn't up to snuff??!! (heh...) I think not...

Likewise with Good people who are good at what they do... My customers could care less that I have a Behringer Finalizer / mixer / or Focusrite Pre's... They care about what their music sounds like when I'm done messing with it... If you get good results... People will know... Regardless of your gear...

(ok I'm done now... Sorry all...)
 
*sighs*

Behringer gear = cheap, but not cheap enough to justify its lifetime. There's better stuff to be had:

Mixers - Yamaha MGs
Headphones - Senneheiser HD202s over Behringer XPM3000 any day.
Effects - damn most of my freebie plugins are as good as these and I don't have to wire them up!
Mics - SP, SE Electronics, Shure, Beyer.

There's loads of alternatives. I use a UB mixer and it's lasted so far, but I've compared it against Mackies and Yamahas and there's no competition to my ears. The pres are low noise but that's about it.

There's no bashing of the company for bashing's sake. People have legitimate reasons.

I don't buy Nestlé, Esso, Nike, Gap etc because of their exploitative business practices. Who are you to say that's wrong?

Just because I can't stop buying everything from unethical sources doesn't mean I should stop buying some things. How will the situation ever change if we bury our heads and go "it's legal so I don't care that I'm paying a company to work kids 20-hours a day for 80cents a week"?
 
bgavin said:

Behrenger is well known for ripping off other designs and issuing cheap copies... hardly "fair" to the holders of the intellectual property that was ripped off. The latest case in point is their B5 mics which appear to be a huge ripoff of the Studio Projects C4 series. No sympathy from me.
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http://www.dv247.com/invt/9212

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...62/g=live/g=live/search/bigpid/base_id/59792/

Tell me these things don't look alike! The buttons are even in the same order.

Agree with the statement about their SC mics.
 
Shocking. But now that companies like Alesis and Phonic are releasing mixers like this fake behringer and this fake behringer i guess it's gonna start coming full-circle. phonic's toy equiment is even cheaper (in both the good and bad sense) than berry's!
 
I would much prefer buy US, UK or Jap products not for anything but the quality is usally better.

Although there are always exceptions.
 
noisedude said:
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Behringer gear = cheap, but not cheap enough to justify its lifetime. There's better stuff to be had:

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I have owned Behringer stuff for 5 years, and it's still working great.

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Mixers - Yamaha MGs
Headphones - Senneheiser HD202s over Behringer XPM3000 any day.
Effects - damn most of my freebie plugins are as good as these and I don't have to wire them up!
Mics - SP, SE Electronics, Shure, Beyer.
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As for pluggs being better than effects, I am stunned. My friend has the Virtualizer 2024, the new one, and he brought it over and it blew away the Lexicon 100 that I used to own. I hated that Lexicon. It sounded TEN TIMES better than my WAVES pluggs. I can't believe you think software pluggs sound better.

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There's loads of alternatives. I use a UB mixer and it's lasted so far, but I've compared it against Mackies and Yamahas and there's no competition to my ears. The pres are low noise but that's about it.
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Wow, as I stated in my original post, I compared the VLZ pro against the UB, and the UB won hands down, pres, eq, and options. For instance, you could not use the 34 bus and the 12 bus on the Mackie at the same time, but you can on the UB. The eq on the Mackie sounds terrible, and the UB pres are simply better sounding to me.



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There's no bashing of the company for bashing's sake. People have legitimate reasons.

I don't buy Nestlé, Esso, Nike, Gap etc because of their exploitative business practices. Who are you to say that's wrong?
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Don't know who that question is to, but I believe that you can buy whatever products you want, just don't tell me that it's wrong for me to buy legal products that my music store carries.


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Just because I can't stop buying everything from unethical sources doesn't mean I should stop buying some things. How will the situation ever change if we bury our heads and go "it's legal so I don't care that I'm paying a company to work kids 20-hours a day for 80cents a week"?
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Maybe the kids want the jobs. Do you have actual proof that your numbers are correct, or are you simply going by what you have been told? Are those kids FORCED to work for Behringer? Where are their parents, don't they ask questions when their kids are only home four hours a night?

I know one thing. If I owned a company that made and sold mixers four 5 hudred bucks, and another company started making mixers that sounded just as good, and sold them for $250, I would be very mad at that company. I might even start rumours about them, or any other thing I could do to hurt them. The net would be a great place to do that. What I am saying is, If I were able to sit in an American court room, and hear the evidence FROM BOTH SIDES!!!, and I were shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that Behringer were stealing designs of other companies, then I would not buy their products, but I would also expect them to be illegal to sell anyway. Since they are legal to sell at this time, and I have no proof of anything illegal that they are doing, then I am not going to condem them. To each his own.

Jeff
 
Ya know, Jeff.

If I were that pro audio company who sold that $250 mixer . . . and a bunch of people were bashing my products on the internet . . .

I just might have one of my guys develop a username and maybe go undercover and pose as a satisfied customer of my products.


Hmmmm. I might even name him "Jeff" or something generic like that so as not to raise suspicion. Then I'd have him start a thread about how "unfair" it was to bash our product. Might even bring up stuff like there being no irefutable proof that any injustices were done, etc. etc. etc.

Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?
 
Chessrock, you sir are fucking Sherlock Muthafucking Hizzomes.
 
Oh and Jeff, theres a dbx pre which came out before a Behringer pre, which oddly enough, look almost EXACTLY alike, proof enough for ya?
 
Jeff

My figures were related to the production of clothes. Go and read for yourself if you like.

Are those kids FORCED to work for Behringer? Where are their parents, don't they ask questions when their kids are only home four hours a night?
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Have you ever seen beyond the end of your nose?

Do you know that 20% of the world lives off 80% of the world's wealth?

The parents are in the same factory, although in many of these countries the life expectancy is no more than 40 anyway.

The kids work because if they don't, they will die. The glue that sticks the soles of your Nike trainers on, well that causes brain damage (kids in 1st-world countries sniff it for fun). These workers are in little unventilated shacks breathing this stuff constantly.

Do you want to support that?

DO YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT IS BENEATH YOU TO MAKE A JUDGEMENT OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S PRACTICES?

You seem to be happy to come and discredit what I say, but very unwilling to actually question your own opinions. I am a happy Behringer owner, but I would never buy Behringer when there is something better in the market. Why? Because it's something better. My point was that Yamaha MG mixers are better. I don't have a claim on worker exploitation regarding Behringer. Uli's copying stinks, but if he can do the same thing cheaper then he should. Anyone with a brain and ears can hear it's not the same thing though, and when it is then credit is due, but not for his amazing design abilities.
 
FOR SALE:

Cort p-bass(Looks to much like the fender, and I feel guilty about
playing it)$200.00 firm!Or will trade for two Chinese kids that know how to make knock-off condenser mics.P.M. me.

Sheppard
 
chessrock said:
Ya know, Jeff.

If I were that pro audio company who sold that $250 mixer . . . and a bunch of people were bashing my products on the internet . . .

I just might have one of my guys develop a username and maybe go undercover and pose as a satisfied customer of my products.


Hmmmm. I might even name him "Jeff" or something generic like that so as not to raise suspicion. Then I'd have him start a thread about how "unfair" it was to bash our product. Might even bring up stuff like there being no irefutable proof that any injustices were done, etc. etc. etc.

Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?
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Oh oh - new moon. Here come de spam police. It paranoia time again. Beh don give a rat's ass bout folks here - dey got bizness plenty witout us.
 
Leave Jeff alone. One day he will have a real job and will be able to buy something other then Behringer.
 
In my case, sorry to burst your bubble, but I have posted here a few times, and also on many other boards that I can let you search, like the Roland VS planet, Rec audio pro, and many others. The username jeff0633 has been used by me for a long time, so I can show that I don't work for Behringer.

Nice try though.

Jeff


chessrock said:
Ya know, Jeff.

If I were that pro audio company who sold that $250 mixer . . . and a bunch of people were bashing my products on the internet . . .

I just might have one of my guys develop a username and maybe go undercover and pose as a satisfied customer of my products.


Hmmmm. I might even name him "Jeff" or something generic like that so as not to raise suspicion. Then I'd have him start a thread about how "unfair" it was to bash our product. Might even bring up stuff like there being no irefutable proof that any injustices were done, etc. etc. etc.

Gives you something to think about, doesn't it?
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LOOKS like it? That means nothing. Shit, there are many mics that look like other mics. My local Food City store sells their own Food Club brand. Their packaging sometimes has many of the color schemes of the name brand products. For instance. Their Oreo type Cookies are called Dunksters. The package looks very similar to the real Oreo package. That means nothing!!! You would need to show an exact copy of the circuit board, or some other cloned components. How come Behringer products are not illegal? If they are ripping off other patents, then US law protects these. If they were exact copies, then they would be illegal to sell.

Jeff


AllOrNothinEnt said:
Oh and Jeff, theres a dbx pre which came out before a Behringer pre, which oddly enough, look almost EXACTLY alike, proof enough for ya?
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