No Name Tube Microphone

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Jim Lad said:
So the next time you feel like saying something like"...I don't understand why you buy the Behringer tube mic and this mic, when I post a link to a really great tube mic that costs less than the two of them together..." you'll stop yourself, right? Because it was just a little condescending, right? And remember that people from all over the world use this site and some of us really like Austrian & Chinese manufacturers because they are in the business of actually designing, manufacturing and selling their products.
BYOB
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...absolutely not...good advice is good advice, even if you can't detect the inflection of humor that was intended...go back and read my other thousands of posts here on HR.com and GS.com regarding mics of all origins before giving me lectures on good ethics...good luck to you Jim...nice chatting with you...
 
Yes, and I'd have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids and that dog.

U.N.C.L.E.
 
Jim Lad said:
Kidvybes: I enjoy your posts. I usually find you very informative.
However, publicly dismissing microphones without trying them is all too commonplace on these forums and quite frankly, something that I had presumed you to be above.
I have the T-1. It rocks. I can say that because I've tried it.
You know I have no idea what that means. "You may not" something?
Anyway, the real point is, I enjoy your opinions. Usually.
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I'm skeptical of most things Behringer, but I'd have to say, if they used a Panasonic 1/2" electret capsule (not saying they do, but if they did) I would be all over that mic! There are some Panasonic cardioid SDC's that just sound spectacular! I'm interested in seeing what Behringer has in that mic.
 
kidvybes said:
...well, my other friend Alan Hyatt's Studio Projects T3, my friend Dave Thomas' Advanced Audio CM-47, my friend David Royer's Mojave MA-200, my friend Mark Ludmer's Rode NT Classic, my friend John Peluso's 22-251, my friend Ken Avant's BV-1, and my friend Jim Jacobsen's JJ Audio Dutch, Akita and Daisy...I like some other's, but those I mentioned are my closest friends...
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Don't be ridiculous, Dennis! I've talked to Alan and David and John and none of them actually like you!:):D;):eek::)
 
Hey Phil,

I like those rails--an old fashioned way of running grounds--very low Z, makes perfect sense! The problem with the 12AX7 is not only gain, but also low transconductance, extremely high plate resistance, and low grid resistance.

A poopie toob fohr uzing in da mikrofone, I'd say.

Best, M
 
Watch it guys, you'll be accused of being trolls in no time.
 
Buzzard Bass: I just took you off the "Ignore" list.......... I can put you back on.

I tried out all of the tubes (in the No Name) and settled for one of the Garnets.
It certainly tones things down a bit but does leave the mic sounding a bit thin.
The deciding factor ended up being which tube introduced the least noise. (and best radio reception)
Here's what Michael Joly had to say about the Behringer T-1, over at Gearslutz:
In a word? Don't.

The Behringer T-47 is a very nicely built 9mm electret condensor capsule -> FET -> Tube -> Transformer mic. But its $0.10, 9mm electret condenser capsule is no match for a true externally polarized K47 or even K67 type capsule (with proper HF de-emphasis).

Its really too bad. Behringer obviously has the engineering chops to do the job right. I was the first to rave about the V-Verb Pro - but they often choose to be the low price leader. I'll admit, there is a whole lot of "feel good" around the packaging - the pretty girl using the mic, the layers of packing material, the brochures, the sales pitch items, the aluminum case...until you finally get down to business - a 9 mm electret condenser capsule that you would find in a telephone answering machine. Oh, I didn't mention the cute little red acrylic window that shows faux tube glow.

There is no way this mic can be re-worked economically to be a true large diaphragm tube mic.

Oh, how does it sound? - noisy, sibilant and scooped. The hands-down winner for low cost, real (no FETs) tube mics is still the Apex 460.
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I think the whole point he was making was "I make a living out of making Chinese mics sound better and I can't do anything with this one so why should I recommend it?".
To his credit, I think he believes what he says.
 
I will say I agree you shouldn't judge gear you haven't tried. I have Behringer stuff, including the T1, and have no complaints.

BTW, I can put you on ignore too, I don't have a list since I think all posts are worth a look. Am I supposed to care about that threat?
 
PhilGood said:
Don't be ridiculous, Dennis! I've talked to Alan and David and John and none of them actually like you!:):D;):eek::)
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...Phil...after seeing the quality of work you're doing these days, who needs those other guys... ;)
 
Jim Lad said:
...Here's what Michael Joly had to say about the Behringer T-1, over at Gearslutz: [SEE ABOVE]


I think the whole point he was making was "I make a living out of making Chinese mics sound better and I can't do anything with this one so why should I recommend it?".
To his credit, I think he believes what he says.
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Nope. Someone on Gearslutz asked for an opinion regarding a possible purchase of a Behringer T-1 tube mic. I volunteered my opinion based on the fact I own one. BTW - I recommend lots of mics I don't work on.

But yes, I do believe what I've said about the T-1. Most of my review is a simple rundown of the facts (a FET / tube / bipoloar transistor hybrid with a 9mm electret condenser capsule, "fake glow" window, nice packaging etc.) and concludes with my impressions of its sound - noisy, sibilant and scooped.

A stock Apex 460 for $189 with a tube-only circuit, transformer-coupled output and 9 patterns is a better value.
 
But yes, I do believe what I've said about the T-1. Most of my review is a simple rundown of the facts
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I can't argue with you on the guts of the mic but I do disagree with you on the performance.
What do you know about this "No Name" here?
Have you modified them?
 
Listening to Jim's sample of the Wee Cooper, noisy, sibilant and scooped don't readily come to mind.

BTW, I do see the 2 rings on the bottom piece, and the sample sounds great. I think you got a great mic there, the kit is a steal, except I can't read a circuit diagram or solder worth shit. Me mate could do that up a treat. Me, not so much.
 
So I wonder why Behri claims it's a 16mm capsule? Wonder if it's the same as the C1 capsule, I recall that was 16mm diaphragm plastic ring but the diaphragm was a bit smaller. That was some years ago I peeked, but I recall it was not electret. It also wasn't scooped, actually kind of the opposite in a bland if inoffensive manner.

Funny that Behri doesn't publish curves on the T1, at least that I can find . . .
 
I think they took the plastic ring into account when they said 16 mm.
They do call it a LDC which led me to ask "At what point does a small diaphragm become known as a large?".
Anyway, I find their smaller diaphragms to be more accurate and the B5, in fact, to be a little dark.

I do see the 2 rings on the bottom piece
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Yes. That's on the cap. Feels like solid brass (heavy) and is threaded in the centre.
It's a good looking mic. The polished gold grill is a bit tacky and offers very little protection but a popfilter fixes that.
I'm not entirely happy with it. It's thin. I certainly couldn't resell it because I couldn't honestly say "I love this mic".
But I'm not entirely unhappy with it either because it's thin and flat. Maybe missing a little at the bottom end but the proximity effect is usable.
So, more than likely, I'll settle for a tube or a proper modification and then glue that cap on so as to make it feel permanent.
Funny that Behri doesn't publish curves on the T1, at least that I can find . . .
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Go here http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/T-1.aspx and click on "Quick Start Guide"
Basically flat with a bit of a presence curve.
 
One man's sibilant is another man's thin or bright. My guess is that it probably has an overly aggressive roll off on the bottom end. A few seconds with wire cutters should fix that. :)
 
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